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'''Deleted:''' Clearly prominent screenshots and logos, which are not circunstancial or included "by accident". ''De minimis'' does not apply here. [[User:Belgrano|Belgrano]] ([[User talk:Belgrano|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 02:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
'''Deleted:''' Clearly prominent screenshots and logos, which are not circunstancial or included "by accident". ''De minimis'' does not apply here. [[User:Belgrano|Belgrano]] ([[User talk:Belgrano|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 02:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Photos of Nintendo Game & Watch devices

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These are photos of Nintendo Game and Watch handheld video game consoles. The consoles come with graphical designs on the plates and an LCD screen that has overlays. The designs are typically copyrighted Nintendo characters. I put it that their displays on these device are more prominent than what de minimis would allow. Furthermore, the overlays are artistic designs that are part of the copyrighted game. They (characters/logos and overlays) should be erased/blurred (see File:IQue Wii China.jpg) or the photo(s) is/are to be deleted. Jappalang (talk) 03:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment I don't think these should be all together. Some are pictures of artwork and some are pictures of items that have artwork on them. The former are copyright violations and the latter aren't. --Simonxag (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, none of the images requested (from File:Gamewatch mariobros closed.JPG to File:Game & Watch Fire Widescreen.jpg) for discussion are "pictures of artwork". Although they are "pictures of items that have artwork", the prominence of the copyrighted artwork comes into play when we are talking about de minimis. Jappalang (talk) 04:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say File:Gamewatch mariobros closed.JPG is clearly a picture of some copyrighted artwork (and nothing else) and File:Game & Watch NWS- Donkey Kong JR.jpg is equally clearly a picture of a game console that happens to have some artwork on it (but is very hard to imagine as a picture of that artwork). --Simonxag (talk) 21:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They are all different ones. I think most are OK except for the 2 closed Donkey Kong with colored artwork. The very simple black and white "graphics" of File:Game and watch Ball.JPG and File:Game and Watch BALL.jpg (very small, hard to see and with permission) and no artwork should be OK. File:Game & Watch NWS- Donkey Kong JR.jpg is IMO also OK /de Minimis as it shows mainly a toy and has a different agle view and its not the focus to show the artwork. If this should be deleted than it should be the same with File:Game & Watch WS- Snoopy Tennis.jpg. And other handheld games like File:Ronica Game.jpg and maybe other toys. It's very problematic. Most of them have artwork, Logos and so on. --Kungfuman (talk) 15:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I am not calling for outright deletions. If the prominent copyrighted artwork are "masked" out, the modified images can be retained. Jappalang (talk) 03:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are no artworks on File:Gamewatch mariobros open.JPG, the Octopus-Game and the Ball-games. What are wrong with these? Theres is also no overlay on the Ball-games and no prominent contents. We also don't need multiple nearly exact images from the same Game and Watch model, especially if artwork or screen are masked out. They are not very useful and should better be deleted. What is with File:Zelda-Game&Watch.jpg? And please check Category:Liquid Crystal Displays and other hardware cats. I don't understand the de minimis even after years. Does it depend on size or distance? And why have some images been deleted and others not? Many images like products with logos or artwork, arcade cabinets, toys, board games and much more have to be deleted too. --Kungfuman (talk) 07:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The whole subcategory Category:Elektronika IM should be deleted, too. Except for the one with the backside view. The images contains even a copyright watermark and are very likely be copvios. The images had been replaced by other, not similiar images and a watermark included. Even without the watermark are here the same "copyrighted" "prominent" game graphics at close distance. The Elektronica themselves are copyrighted russian clones of the originals. --Kungfuman (talk) 08:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a new image File:Wikipedia gamewatchdk.jpg, a game holding in a hand which has better resolution like the small Donkey Kong image. It's just holding and not playing, and some could say, the goal is to show the Donkey Kong graphics (?)--Kungfuman (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the information you seek is in the de minimis Commons article I have pointed out. I agree that there is an element of subjectiveness in the determination. However, I believe it is not de minimis when the copyrighted elements take up a large portion of the image or are not incidental (i.e. their inclusion is deliberate). The "overlays" of the screens are copyrighted art (they function much like the sprites and backgrounds of modern video games). I agree that the Elektronika images should be deleted as well, but let us establish a de minimis rule here for such handheld consoles with the Game & Watch (i.e. we can open a DR for or speedy the Elektronika images if we get a decision here). Jappalang (talk) 22:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I will be able to perform any image edits in a timely fashion, but I've saved copies of most, if not all of the ones listed here. Perhaps someone could use the ImageAnnotator functionality to indicate what parts of the images should be edited, and how? Dancter (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the prominent artworks should be pixelised but I'm not sure about every hardly to see screen content. It must qualifies for de minimis. If everything including logos are too much blackend out, than the images might not be useful. New images with closed variations and devices shut off should be found. File:Game & Watch MS- Donkey Kong II (open, low angle).jpg and another one show some graphics, too. If you look closely, you can see display content even on File:CIMG5339-1-.jpg but I can't see if this is copyrighted contet. It would be great if someone can find a simple graphic (text or geometry objects) which might be ineligible for copyright. There are also images on wikipedia projects like [1] which shows a color overlay. But I think that as this device is shut off and it shows simple block and lines and no screenshot grapics and the screens are minor parts of the image, this is maybe different. --Kungfuman (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Prominence plays a big part in de minims. File:CIMG5339-1-.jpg has nothing that is very prominent, hence any copyrighted content is incidental and qualifies for de minimis. File:Game & Watch MS- Donkey Kong II (open, low angle).jpg could do with blanking out the upper screen in my view. Jappalang (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep Keep Some of those pictures are very usefull at showing how the game looked, and was played. This is an important part of the history of videogames, in my opinion.  Keep Usufull, historical. --Bonnifac (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is not that the pictures may be useless, but that they may be derivative works of non-free works. --AVRS (talk) 10:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep That's a really stupid reason for deletion. Anything can have it's picture taken, and just because some company own it does not mean the picture is copyrighted. If that were the case, almost any picture ever taken of anything would be copyrighted.RayvnEQ (talk) 12:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Clearly prominent screenshots and logos, which are not circunstancial or included "by accident". De minimis does not apply here. Belgrano (talk) 02:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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