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== Leap Seconds == |
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Are you able to update the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File:Leapsecond.ut1-utc.svg please? |
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Last update is given as August 2022. Thanks in anticipation, --[[User:DLMcN|DLMcN]] ([[User talk:DLMcN|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Template:PD-Old-assumed == |
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:Sorry for the late reply. It looks like the date in the info box was a typo. Leapsecond data was actually updated in August 2023. I fixed the typo. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Undeleted in 2024 == |
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Hi RP88, |
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Hi, Please also add the category to [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Title card of The Fox Chase (1928).png]] when you undelete the file. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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I have seen the changes you had done in the template. Nice work. Since I have planned to prepare a new {{t|Template:PD-old-assumed-expired}} (you can see my first sketches hardcoded in my [[User:Draco flavus/sandbox|sandbox]], a few remarks. |
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:{{re|Yann}} I am. If you look at the edit dates, you can see you edited the DR while I was processing the file. When I went to the DR after I was finished you had already added the category. :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[:File:Mickey Mouse in Vietnam.webm]] == |
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# maybe the wording ''at least some works of this author were created over 140 years ago (or the author was born over 160 years ago)'' would be more appropriate? {{t|Template:PD-old-assumed/text}} |
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# since both templates {{t|PD-old-assumed}} and {{t|PD-old-assumed-expired}} would use the same code, it would be better to make them more flexible: |
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I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie [[:File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png]], Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? [[User:Abzeronow|Abzeronow]] ([[User talk:Abzeronow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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* I have slightly changed the Template {{t:Template:PD-old-assumed/core}} . I hope it is OK for you |
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:{{re|Abzeronow}} During my review during the mass 1 January 2024 undeletion processing, my decision to move it to 2025 was based only on the appearance of Mickey's white gloves, but as soon as I saw those I didn't look much further. As regards to the date of 2025 (1929 + 95 + 1), I relied on waltdisney.org ([https://www.waltdisney.org/blog/evolution-mickey-mouse The Evolution of Mickey Mouse]), Wikipedia (''[[w:The Opry House |The Opry House]]''), and the New York Times (''[https://web.archive.org/web/20230106162740/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/business/mickey-mouse-disney-public-domain.html Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property]''), for the assertion that the character's signature white gloves first appeared in 1929. Hope that helps. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Special:Diff/851254113|{{PD-anon-expired/en}}]] == |
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* The whole switch-block could be moved out of the {{t|Template:PD-old-assumed}}. The {{t|template:PD-old-assumed}} would use this with the argument '''expired''' not passed, and {{t|template:PD-old-assumed-expired}} with the parameter '''expired''' set to ''expired''. |
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* I cannot perform it myself since I am not a template editor. |
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Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article [[:en:Public domain]] has 97 language versions <small>(in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera)</small>. And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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I hope you accept my proposals. If not feel free to revert my changes made in {{t|Template:PD-old-assumed/core}} |
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:{{re| Gamliel Fishkin}} Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{tl|PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{tl|multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/]] you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.<p>As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see [[Template:PD-anon-expired/oc]] (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at [[Template:PD-anon-expired/en]] because they will instead be shown [[Template:PD-anon-expired/ca]] since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".<p>I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at [[mw:Manual:Language]], [[phab:T258492#6490574]], and [[:File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg]]. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== about PD-old-text == |
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Regards [[User:Draco flavus|Draco flavus]] ([[User talk:Draco flavus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Draco flavus}} For various reasons (categorization, template loops, bot processing) it is preferred to carefully control the overlap in the templates between US license templates (such as {{tl|PD-US-expired), source country templates (such as {{tl|PD-old-auto}}), and "both" templates (such as {{tl|PD-old-auto-expired}}). In principle I don't have an objection to {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} and I am more than willing to assist you in building what you want. You currently can get the effect, if not necessarily your desired appearance, of {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} with "{{tlx|PD-two|PD-old-assumed|PD-old-auto-expired}}" or "{{tlx|PD-old-assumed|used-with-US=y}}{{tlx|PD-US-expired|hide_us_warning=y}}". Take a look at some examples at [[User:RP88/PD-old-assumed examples]]. I think you desire a version of {{tlx|PD-old-assumed-expired}} that is comparable to the minimalism of {{tlx|PD-old-auto-expired}} (see example 5) that removes all warnings, but we could create a template that does #3 or #4 immediately. I would be happy to build a version of {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} that looked like something like #5 updated for PD-old-assumed, but it wouldn't match the community approved template. The approval of the {{tl|PD-old-assumed}} was somewhat tortious — I'm a little concerned about removing the "countries with longer copyright terms and no rule of the shorter term" warning that was part of the community approved language. I'm going to revert your change for now, but take a look at [[User:RP88/PD-old-assumed examples]] and let me know what you think. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 00:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::Many thanks for your answer. The desired version is (now) the last one on my [[User:Draco flavus/sandbox|Sandbox page]]. The proposal for the voting was actually "A formulation could be: "If the copyright situation of a file is based on the date of death of the author, but we do not know when the author has died, we assume the file to be PD if at least the lenght of copyright protection + 60 years have passed since the latest possible date of creation of the work. (e.g. 130 years if copyright is based on de PMA+70 rule). If we know of an older work of the same author, we base the situation on the date of creation of that older work. If we do know the year of birth of the author, we use the year in which he/she reached the age of 20 in the calculation instead of the year of creation of the work." Doesn't it back the proposed text. Regards [[User:Draco flavus|Draco flavus]] ([[User talk:Draco flavus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|Draco flavus}} That was one of the proposals, but was not accepted, the result in the closure was only "I am closing this as a consensus of 120 years.". The closed version of the discussion can be read at [[Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2017/03#Cut-off_date_for_the_PD-old_template]]. As part of the closure the discussion was directed to [[Commons talk:Cut-off date for PD-old files]] for working out details, which resulted in the creation of the current {{tl|PD-old-assumed}}. My recent changes left the copyright logic and text intact, but conformed the template to be more inline with similar templates like {{tl|PD-old-auto}}. Let me see what I can do about making a {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} that looks like what you want, derived from {{tlx|PD-old-assumed}} with shared resources in much the same was as {{tl|PD-old-auto-expired}} is derived from {{tlx|PD-old-auto}} with shared resources. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 05:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template. |
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:::I've updated {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} to be very similar to the last example on your sandbox page. Your existing work was very close to the final template. {{tl|PD-old-assumed}} and {{tl|PD-old-assumed-expired}} now share translations at [[Template:PD-old-assumed-text]], [[Template:PD-US-expired-text]], and [[Template:PD-old-warning-text]], but don't commingle their layout templates. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 06:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi RI88, |
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|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身，}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。 |
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</pre> [[User:ConcededBear657|ConcededBear657]] ([[User talk:ConcededBear657|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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many thanks for your help. I am not so familiar with the teplates on Commons. The main time I spend on Polish Wikisource. I have preapared a short cheat sheet for our users ([[s:pl:User:Draco flavus/brudnopis77]]). Even if it is in Polish you can certainly understand the first table there.<br> |
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:{{re|ConcededBear657}} OK, I'll revert your change to "zh-hk" and add your new "zh-yue". —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 10:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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In our project we accept the works that are both in Poland and in the USA in the PD (sometimes also in the country of origin if it is a translation).<br> |
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::Further discussion is at [[Template_talk:PD-old-text]]. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 10:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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So in the scope of our interest are mostly these '''-expired''' templates.<br> |
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Regarding the copyright laws we are actually more conservative than the general rules on Commons.<br> |
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We accept the '''old-assumed''' works after 140 years (assumed published when 20 or older, lived not longer than 90 years). So the PD-old-assumed-expired licence does not cover 100% all cases but I suppose is good enough for us. |
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Once more, many thanks and regards [[User:Draco flavus|Draco flavus]] ([[User talk:Draco flavus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== PD-old-auto and used-with-US == |
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I think [[Special:Diff/582281713|this]] is actually broken (or I am very confused; or probably both). :) |
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It'll ''show'' the US warning if either <code>used-with-US</code> is missing or empty, ''or'' if the number of years since <code>deathyear</code> is less than 100. That is, <code>if (A || B) {show_warning();}</code>. But the logic should really be that if there's a separate license tag for the US, this template should ''never'' show a warning. Primarily because the warning literally says "you need a US license tag" so once one is present the warning becomes nonsensical. But also because there is no obvious connection between the number of years since the author's death and the need to provide a US license tag. Even in {{tl|PD-old-presumed}} territory (which is pub + 120, not pma. 100) you still need to provide a US license tag. |
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| {{#ifexpr: {{#if:|0|1}} or (70<100)| [[File:Nuvola apps important vermilion.svg|24px|center]] | [[File:Approve icon.svg|24px|center]] }} |
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| {{#ifexpr: {{#if:true|0|1}} or (120<100)| [[File:Nuvola apps important vermilion.svg|24px|center]] | [[File:Approve icon.svg|24px|center]] }} |
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| {{#ifexpr: {{#if:|0|1}} or (120<100)| [[File:Nuvola apps important vermilion.svg|24px|center]] | [[File:Approve icon.svg|24px|center]] }} |
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I am also uncertain where this number of 100 comes from? Longest normal US copyright term is pub. + 95. PD-old-presumed is pub. + 120. Longest known international copyright term is pma. 120. Typical modern copyright term is pma. 70. And then of course there are the myriad arbitrary minimum terms like 2038, 2042 etc. But on the flip side there are tons of works that expired after pub. + 28 years due to non-renewal or similar. |
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My suggestion is to either remove the "pma. 100" part of the logic, or, if it's needed for something I'm not seeing, nest it inside the "missing or empty <code>used-with-US</code>" case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Xover}} No, it's correct, but I can see why it is confusing. The awkward construction using [[en:w:De Morgan's laws|De Morgan's law]] is to due to the way the template parser handles defaults / empty parameters / logic / coercion to boolean. The code in question is hiding the warning section only if used-with-US is true and X>=100. This is because the warning section text (from {{tl|PD-old-warning-text}}) can actually contain two different warnings, and so the warning section is needed if either will be output. The two warnings are the "need a US tag" warning and the "countries with longer copyright terms without rule of the shorter term" warning. You can see an example of both pieces of warning text at {{tl|PD-old-70}}. In the implementation of {{tl|PD-old-warning-text}} the "need a US tag" warning is suppressed when used-with-US is set and the "countries with longer terms without rule of the shorter term" warning is suppressed when the number of years since the death of the author is >= 100 (because there is no country with a longer term than pma+100). —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 23:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::Ah, oh, I see. I had indeed not accounted for the "longer terms exist" warning (well, or more generally, that there are multiple possible warnings). And it doesn't help that the template parser / ParserFunctions kinda forces you to put orthogonal logic in the same #ifexpr (Lua would be much clearer here). But, setting aside my aversion to having [[File:Nuvola apps important vermilion.svg|16px]] symbols plastered all over for a ''normal'' state of affairs, that makes sense then. Thanks for the explanation (and apologies for the noise). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Very badly misbehaving bot == |
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It was doing much the same (on another IP) for a few hours on other pages yesterday, and the day before too. They tried to run it on en.wiki, but it hit too many filters to do much damage. All the IPs are Rostelecom addresses. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:Its back on {{vandal|46.48.146.118}} [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::They will keep hopping around on the /17 subnet. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::: I've blocked the second IP. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 07:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::: {{re|Mako001}} Thanks for the additional details. I'll try to keep an eye on it while I'm online. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 07:29, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Ive asked for a global block of the /17. They've been at this for weeks using other IPs, accross at least 3 different wikis. (Commons, enwiki and wikidata) [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Need your input on a policy impacting gadgets and UserJS == |
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Dear interface administrator, |
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This is Samuel from the Security team and I hope my message finds you well. |
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There is an [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|ongoing discussion]] on a proposed policy governing the use of external resources in gadgets and UserJS. The proposed [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|Third-party resources policy]] aims at making the UserJS and Gadgets landscape a bit safer by encouraging best practices around external resources. After an initial non-public conversation with a small number of interface admins and staff, we've launched a much larger, public consultation to get a wider pool of feedback for improving the policy proposal. Based on the ideas received so far, the proposed policy now includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, best practices for gadgets and UserJS developers, and exemptions requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. |
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As an interface administrator, your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on the [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|policy talk page]]. |
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Have a great day!</div> |
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<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Samuel (WMF)|Samuel (WMF)]], on behalf of the Foundation's Security team</bdi> 23:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Edit request for [[Module:Roman]] == |
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Hi! Could I ask you to take a look at my edit request for [[Module:Roman]] at [[Module talk:Roman#Edit request: add function p.Arabic]]? —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Leap Seconds == |
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Are you able to update the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File:Leapsecond.ut1-utc.svg please? |
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Last update is given as August 2022. Thanks in anticipation, --[[User:DLMcN|DLMcN]] ([[User talk:DLMcN|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:Sorry for the late reply. It looks like the date in the info box was a typo. Leapsecond data was actually updated in August 2023. I fixed the typo. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Undeleted in 2024 == |
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Hi, Please also add the category to [[Commons:Deletion requests/File:Title card of The Fox Chase (1928).png]] when you undelete the file. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 10:46, 10 April 2024
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[edit]Are you able to update the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File:Leapsecond.ut1-utc.svg please?
Last update is given as August 2022. Thanks in anticipation, --DLMcN (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply. It looks like the date in the info box was a typo. Leapsecond data was actually updated in August 2023. I fixed the typo. —RP88 (talk) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, Please also add the category to Commons:Deletion requests/File:Title card of The Fox Chase (1928).png when you undelete the file. Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yann: I am. If you look at the edit dates, you can see you edited the DR while I was processing the file. When I went to the DR after I was finished you had already added the category. :-) —RP88 (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png, Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? Abzeronow (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Abzeronow: During my review during the mass 1 January 2024 undeletion processing, my decision to move it to 2025 was based only on the appearance of Mickey's white gloves, but as soon as I saw those I didn't look much further. As regards to the date of 2025 (1929 + 95 + 1), I relied on waltdisney.org (The Evolution of Mickey Mouse), Wikipedia (The Opry House), and the New York Times (Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property), for the assertion that the character's signature white gloves first appeared in 1929. Hope that helps. —RP88 (talk) 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article en:Public domain has 97 language versions (in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera). And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. Gamliel Fishkin 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Gamliel Fishkin: Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{Multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/ you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.
As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see Template:PD-anon-expired/oc (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at Template:PD-anon-expired/en because they will instead be shown Template:PD-anon-expired/ca since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".
I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at mw:Manual:Language, phab:T258492#6490574, and File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg. —RP88 (talk) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
about PD-old-text
[edit]i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template.
|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身，}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。
ConcededBear657 (talk) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ConcededBear657: OK, I'll revert your change to "zh-hk" and add your new "zh-yue". —RP88 (talk) 10:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Further discussion is at Template_talk:PD-old-text. —RP88 (talk) 10:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)