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== PD-old-auto and used-with-US == |
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I think [[Special:Diff/582281713|this]] is actually broken (or I am very confused; or probably both). :) |
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It'll ''show'' the US warning if either <code>used-with-US</code> is missing or empty, ''or'' if the number of years since <code>deathyear</code> is less than 100. That is, <code>if (A || B) {show_warning();}</code>. But the logic should really be that if there's a separate license tag for the US, this template should ''never'' show a warning. Primarily because the warning literally says "you need a US license tag" so once one is present the warning becomes nonsensical. But also because there is no obvious connection between the number of years since the author's death and the need to provide a US license tag. Even in {{tl|PD-old-presumed}} territory (which is pub + 120, not pma. 100) you still need to provide a US license tag. |
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I am also uncertain where this number of 100 comes from? Longest normal US copyright term is pub. + 95. PD-old-presumed is pub. + 120. Longest known international copyright term is pma. 120. Typical modern copyright term is pma. 70. And then of course there are the myriad arbitrary minimum terms like 2038, 2042 etc. But on the flip side there are tons of works that expired after pub. + 28 years due to non-renewal or similar. |
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My suggestion is to either remove the "pma. 100" part of the logic, or, if it's needed for something I'm not seeing, nest it inside the "missing or empty <code>used-with-US</code>" case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Xover}} No, it's correct, but I can see why it is confusing. The awkward construction using [[en:w:De Morgan's laws|De Morgan's law]] is to due to the way the template parser handles defaults / empty parameters / logic / coercion to boolean. The code in question is hiding the warning section only if used-with-US is true and X>=100. This is because the warning section text (from {{tl|PD-old-warning-text}}) can actually contain two different warnings, and so the warning section is needed if either will be output. The two warnings are the "need a US tag" warning and the "countries with longer copyright terms without rule of the shorter term" warning. You can see an example of both pieces of warning text at {{tl|PD-old-70}}. In the implementation of {{tl|PD-old-warning-text}} the "need a US tag" warning is suppressed when used-with-US is set and the "countries with longer terms without rule of the shorter term" warning is suppressed when the number of years since the death of the author is >= 100 (because there is no country with a longer term than pma+100). —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 23:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::Ah, oh, I see. I had indeed not accounted for the "longer terms exist" warning (well, or more generally, that there are multiple possible warnings). And it doesn't help that the template parser / ParserFunctions kinda forces you to put orthogonal logic in the same #ifexpr (Lua would be much clearer here). But, setting aside my aversion to having [[File:Nuvola apps important vermilion.svg|16px]] symbols plastered all over for a ''normal'' state of affairs, that makes sense then. Thanks for the explanation (and apologies for the noise). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Very badly misbehaving bot == |
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It was doing much the same (on another IP) for a few hours on other pages yesterday, and the day before too. They tried to run it on en.wiki, but it hit too many filters to do much damage. All the IPs are Rostelecom addresses. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:Its back on {{vandal|46.48.146.118}} [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::They will keep hopping around on the /17 subnet. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Ive asked for a global block of the /17. They've been at this for weeks using other IPs, accross at least 3 different wikis. (Commons, enwiki and wikidata) [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 07:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Need your input on a policy impacting gadgets and UserJS == |
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Dear interface administrator, |
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This is Samuel from the Security team and I hope my message finds you well. |
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There is an [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|ongoing discussion]] on a proposed policy governing the use of external resources in gadgets and UserJS. The proposed [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|Third-party resources policy]] aims at making the UserJS and Gadgets landscape a bit safer by encouraging best practices around external resources. After an initial non-public conversation with a small number of interface admins and staff, we've launched a much larger, public consultation to get a wider pool of feedback for improving the policy proposal. Based on the ideas received so far, the proposed policy now includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, best practices for gadgets and UserJS developers, and exemptions requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. |
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As an interface administrator, your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on the [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|policy talk page]]. |
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Have a great day!</div> |
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<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Samuel (WMF)|Samuel (WMF)]], on behalf of the Foundation's Security team</bdi> 23:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Edit request for [[Module:Roman]] == |
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Hi! Could I ask you to take a look at my edit request for [[Module:Roman]] at [[Module talk:Roman#Edit request: add function p.Arabic]]? —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC) |
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I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie [[:File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png]], Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? [[User:Abzeronow|Abzeronow]] ([[User talk:Abzeronow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie [[:File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png]], Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? [[User:Abzeronow|Abzeronow]] ([[User talk:Abzeronow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Abzeronow}} During my review during the mass 1 January 2024 undeletion processing, my decision to move it to 2025 was based only on the appearance of Mickey's white gloves, but as soon as I saw those I didn't look much further. As regards to the date of 2025 (1929 + 95 + 1), I relied on waltdisney.org ([https://www.waltdisney.org/blog/evolution-mickey-mouse The Evolution of Mickey Mouse]), Wikipedia (''[[w:The Opry House |The Opry House]]''), and the New York Times (''[https://web.archive.org/web/20230106162740/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/business/mickey-mouse-disney-public-domain.html Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property]''), for the assertion that the character's signature white gloves first appeared in 1929. Hope that helps. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Special:Diff/851254113|{{PD-anon-expired/en}}]] == |
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Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article [[:en:Public domain]] has 97 language versions <small>(in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera)</small>. And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re| Gamliel Fishkin}} Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{tl|PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{tl|multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/]] you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.<p>As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see [[Template:PD-anon-expired/oc]] (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at [[Template:PD-anon-expired/en]] because they will instead be shown [[Template:PD-anon-expired/ca]] since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".<p>I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at [[mw:Manual:Language]], [[phab:T258492#6490574]], and [[:File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg]]. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== about PD-old-text == |
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i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template. |
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|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身，}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。 |
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</pre> [[User:ConcededBear657|ConcededBear657]] ([[User talk:ConcededBear657|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Leap Seconds
[edit]Are you able to update the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File:Leapsecond.ut1-utc.svg please?
Last update is given as August 2022. Thanks in anticipation, --DLMcN (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply. It looks like the date in the info box was a typo. Leapsecond data was actually updated in August 2023. I fixed the typo. —RP88 (talk) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Undeleted in 2024
[edit]Hi, Please also add the category to Commons:Deletion requests/File:Title card of The Fox Chase (1928).png when you undelete the file. Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yann: I am. If you look at the edit dates, you can see you edited the DR while I was processing the file. When I went to the DR after I was finished you had already added the category. :-) —RP88 (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png, Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? Abzeronow (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Abzeronow: During my review during the mass 1 January 2024 undeletion processing, my decision to move it to 2025 was based only on the appearance of Mickey's white gloves, but as soon as I saw those I didn't look much further. As regards to the date of 2025 (1929 + 95 + 1), I relied on waltdisney.org (The Evolution of Mickey Mouse), Wikipedia (The Opry House), and the New York Times (Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property), for the assertion that the character's signature white gloves first appeared in 1929. Hope that helps. —RP88 (talk) 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article en:Public domain has 97 language versions (in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera). And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. Gamliel Fishkin 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Gamliel Fishkin: Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{Multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/ you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.
As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see Template:PD-anon-expired/oc (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at Template:PD-anon-expired/en because they will instead be shown Template:PD-anon-expired/ca since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".
I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at mw:Manual:Language, phab:T258492#6490574, and File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg. —RP88 (talk) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
about PD-old-text
[edit]i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template.
|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身，}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。
ConcededBear657 (talk) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ConcededBear657: OK, I'll revert your change to "zh-hk" and add your new "zh-yue". —RP88 (talk) 10:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Further discussion is at Template_talk:PD-old-text. —RP88 (talk) 10:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)