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Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article [[:en:Public domain]] has 97 language versions <small>(in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera)</small>. And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article [[:en:Public domain]] has 97 language versions <small>(in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera)</small>. And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. [[User:Gamliel Fishkin|Gamliel Fishkin]] 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:{{re| Gamliel Fishkin}} Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{tl|PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{tl|multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/]] you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.<p>As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see [[Template:PD-anon-expired/oc]] (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at [[Template:PD-anon-expired/en]] because they will instead be shown [[Template:PD-anon-expired/ca]] since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".<p>I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at [[mw:Manual:Language]], [[phab:T258492#6490574]], and [[:File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg]]. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:{{re| Gamliel Fishkin}} Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{tl|PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{tl|multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/]] you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.<p>As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see [[Template:PD-anon-expired/oc]] (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at [[Template:PD-anon-expired/en]] because they will instead be shown [[Template:PD-anon-expired/ca]] since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".<p>I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at [[mw:Manual:Language]], [[phab:T258492#6490574]], and [[:File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg]]. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] ([[User talk:RP88|talk]]) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

== about PD-old-text ==

i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template.

<pre>
|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身,}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。
</pre> [[User:ConcededBear657|ConcededBear657]] ([[User talk:ConcededBear657|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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Very badly misbehaving bot

It was doing much the same (on another IP) for a few hours on other pages yesterday, and the day before too. They tried to run it on en.wiki, but it hit too many filters to do much damage. All the IPs are Rostelecom addresses. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Its back on 46.48.146.118 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They will keep hopping around on the /17 subnet. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've blocked the second IP. —RP88 (talk) 07:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mako001: Thanks for the additional details. I'll try to keep an eye on it while I'm online. —RP88 (talk) 07:29, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ive asked for a global block of the /17. They've been at this for weeks using other IPs, accross at least 3 different wikis. (Commons, enwiki and wikidata) Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need your input on a policy impacting gadgets and UserJS

Dear interface administrator,

This is Samuel from the Security team and I hope my message finds you well.

There is an ongoing discussion on a proposed policy governing the use of external resources in gadgets and UserJS. The proposed Third-party resources policy aims at making the UserJS and Gadgets landscape a bit safer by encouraging best practices around external resources. After an initial non-public conversation with a small number of interface admins and staff, we've launched a much larger, public consultation to get a wider pool of feedback for improving the policy proposal. Based on the ideas received so far, the proposed policy now includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, best practices for gadgets and UserJS developers, and exemptions requirements such as code transparency and inspectability.

As an interface administrator, your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on the policy talk page.

Have a great day!

Samuel (WMF), on behalf of the Foundation's Security team 23:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for Module:Roman

Hi! Could I ask you to take a look at my edit request for Module:Roman at Module talk:Roman#Edit request: add function p.Arabic? —CalendulaAsteraceae (talkcontribs) 06:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leap Seconds

Are you able to update the graph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#/media/File:Leapsecond.ut1-utc.svg please?

Last update is given as August 2022. Thanks in anticipation, --DLMcN (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply. It looks like the date in the info box was a typo. Leapsecond data was actually updated in August 2023. I fixed the typo. —RP88 (talk) 00:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undeleted in 2024

Hi, Please also add the category to Commons:Deletion requests/File:Title card of The Fox Chase (1928).png when you undelete the file. Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: I am. If you look at the edit dates, you can see you edited the DR while I was processing the file. When I went to the DR after I was finished you had already added the category. :-) —RP88 (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I received an undeletion request for this file by email, with the argument that in a poster for Steamboat Willie File:Steamboat Willie 1928 Poster.png, Mickey is wearing a white glove. Are there any other elements from 1929 that the Mickey in this is derivative of? Abzeronow (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abzeronow: During my review during the mass 1 January 2024 undeletion processing, my decision to move it to 2025 was based only on the appearance of Mickey's white gloves, but as soon as I saw those I didn't look much further. As regards to the date of 2025 (1929 + 95 + 1), I relied on waltdisney.org (The Evolution of Mickey Mouse), Wikipedia (The Opry House), and the New York Times (Mickey’s Copyright Adventure: Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property), for the assertion that the character's signature white gloves first appeared in 1929. Hope that helps. —RP88 (talk) 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear colleague! The text of the template has just 19 language versions, no more. Indoubtly, you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it. But the Wikipedia article en:Public domain has 97 language versions (in Afrikaans, Albanian, Alemannic, Armenian, Assamese, Asturian, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Basque, Bavarian, Belarusian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Georgian, Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindi, Icelandic, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Javanese, Kurdish, Lao, Latvian, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Luxembourgish, Malay, Malayalam, Marathi, Norwegian, Occitan, Persian, Quechua, Romanian, Serbian, Sicilian, Sindhi, Sinhala, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish, Tagalog, Tamil, Telugu, Thai, Turkish, Udmurt, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Walloon, Welsh, Yakut, Yiddish, Yoruba, et caetera). And if a person with interface for example in Estonian sees English text, where one link points to Wikipedia article in Estonian, this link helps him/her to understand what it is about; but if the link points to Wikipedia article in English, he/she does not know that the article has Estonian version (not the all readers of Wikipedia and Commons know about interwikis, mostly editors know). I hope you do not think some languages and their speakers are less important. Gamliel Fishkin 07:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gamliel Fishkin: Your statement "you know that persons with interface in other languages then those 19 see text in English even if they do not understand it" is not correct. Inserting your template into just the "en" subpage is fraught with issues. The template {{PD-anon-expired}} (and many others) use the Autotranslate template/module that uses language fallback chains. If you think the translations in your {{Multilingual link/wrapper}} template are superior to the ones at Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PD-anon-expired/ you should not be modifying just the "en" subpage, as users of some languages that are not directly translated will nonetheless never see your translated links in the "en" page.

As an example, your template provides an Occitan (oc) translation for "public domain". Users with their language set to "oc" will not see Template:PD-anon-expired/oc (because it does not exist). However, because of the the language fallback chain they will never see your translated link for "public domain" at Template:PD-anon-expired/en because they will instead be shown Template:PD-anon-expired/ca since Catalan "ca" is above "fr" which is above "en" in the fallback chain for "oc".

I understand your desire to create "partially" translated versions in cases where you don't understand the languages well enough to do a complete translation. If possible, and translation work interests you, I encourage you to work with others in translating the templates by adding new subpages. For low-profile templates where you believe this is unlikely to be possible and there are only a couple of translations you should probably be inserting your template in more than the "en" subpage. You can see some documentation for the fallback chains at mw:Manual:Language, phab:T258492#6490574, and File:MediaWiki fallback chains.svg. —RP88 (talk) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

about PD-old-text

i make mistake on request , so need to reverting "zh-hk" to previous edition. (because zh-hk edition is written by Modern Written Chinese.) and add Cantonese (zh-yue) translation to the template.

|zh-yue = 呢個作品{{#if: {{{deathyear|}}} |嘅作者喺{{{deathyear}}}年過身,}}喺來源國同埋其他版權期限係'''作者過身後{{{X}}}年'''或以下嘅國家同地區屬於'''[[:zh-yue:公有領域|公有領域]]'''。

ConcededBear657 (talk) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]