Talk:The New Mutants (film): Difference between revisions

Director Josh Boone posts script update

Here's the source. Npamusic (talk) 23:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Title

From what I can tell going through all of the sources for this overhaul, this film is mostly referred to as The New Mutants, sometimes X-Men: The New Mutants, and occasionally just New Mutants. The shorter ones could just be a shortened version of a longer title, but I think it is unclear what exactly the film is called, so I've used the title it was announced with (The New Mutants) throughout the article, but I am happy to discuss this here. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I've changed this to just New Mutants since that seems to be the one they are using ever since the release date announcement. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Obviously this has been changed back now, per the first trailer. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:57, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

In production

As of today, the movie has begun filming. As such this page needs to be moved from a draft into an actual article.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done - Brojam (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Characters other portrayals

I keep noticing that certain contributors keep trying to link the portrayals of this movie's characters to other portrayals in this article, as oppose to the relevant article. That should probably stop. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, that was nice and vague. The reason the other portrayal was noted here with a seemingly unrelated source was because the information was being consistently re-added, and the only source for this film that mentioned the previous portrayal did not mention the actors name. It is notable to note when a character is recast within a franchise, which has been explained to you before. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

And, as has been explained to you before, if the portrayal has zero to do with this film, multiple portrayals belong on the fictional characters page, not in an unrelated article. Disagree? Initiate an RfC. Do me the kindness of not trying to explain my position, though. Just notify me, and I will add it myself. Thanks in advance. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah...its a horror film

There's been some ping-ponging about whether the film should be classified as either horror or superhero genres. One contributor reverting even offered the silly (and incorrect) reasoning that we could only use one defining term. Since there is a truckload of references noting both genres, we include both genres as well - we follow the references, since they know that the hell they are talking about.
And if anyone wants to argue that the film isn't horror, they should probably look at the many sources classifying it as such. Be thankful that someone didn't want to add a teen genre as well, because there is substantive basis for that as well. With a glut of superhero films, classifying this movie as horror, which appears to be sidestepping the capes genre, is inescapable. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:21, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

First of all, we only list the primary genre per WP:FILMLEAD. I didn't make that up. Secondly, this is a discussion that comes up for just about every superhero film, since they often are styled as something else on top. For instance, Deadpool and its sequels are obviously comedies, but the consensus is that they are superhero films styled as comedies, so superhero is the genre listed in the lead. Likewise, Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a political thriller, but it was decided that it was a superhero film styled as a political thriller, and so superhero film is what is listed. That doesn't mean these other genres are not listed at all, in fact they are thoroughly discussed in the respective articles, we just don't list them in the opening sentence of the article. Relevant discussions for this have taken place all over, with a recent one being Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#Superhero genre. If you still take issue with this, I suggest we head over there to continue the discussion, but I don't think this is that big of an issue: this is a superhero film that has been styled as a horror film (which is what reliable sources are discussing it as, i.e. breaking new ground by going the full-blown horror route), so we note the primary genre of superhero in the opening sentence, and then discuss the horror direction/tone/feel/inspirations later in the lead, and then again throughout the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, you should probably read that section again, paying closer attention to the word "should" more. After that, wander your browser on over to WP:FA, and take a look at some of the Featured Articles for film. There are several that note more than one genre. I ge tthat your knee-jerk reaction is to simply revert and then discuss, but you should keenly grasp onto the fact that tactic is going to get you zero traction in discussion, especially with me. Keep that in mind, bc it gets in the way of you and I finding any common ground. It's a pet peeve with me. Once I feel the need to report you to EWN, you lose tons of credibility.

Now, on to the meat of the matter. As noted earlier, there are plenty of exemplars of musliple genre film articles (and tv articles. And literary articles, etc.) Now, if you are desperate to only use one genre, there are more articles classifying the film as horror, so if you are all for dropping the superhero genre, cool, but that is no more accurate than dropping the 'horror' genre. The key factor to be used in deciding what genre to use is not your personal opinion but rather that of references.

And, since the Lede is seen as a brief overview of the article en toto, it seems disingenuopus to not note the genre in the Lede.

If you want to discuss this over at the MOS discussion, that's cool, but we should leave this with the proper genres listed until we arrive at a solution/compromise - of for no other reason than to avoid the friction by a back and forth revert-warring by yourself. Be cool, leave it be, and we can discuss the matter at the MOS discussion. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:53, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

13th installment?

Like its all part of the same universe? I think not. All of the sources say this is something different (except for some of the fan bloggers, which perform mental acrobatics trying to shoehoen this into the X-Men timeline). - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Have you actually read the article? It is very clearly sourced that this is a film in the X-Men film series. Seriously, it doesn't get more blatant than expanding the universe of the X-Men films. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

One article. In the crush of sources that think it is completely difference from every other X-Man film. SHould I bring the 10 or so other articles tha tdiscuss how this film is a departure from the X-Men series?

Don't for a moment thing that anyone here has forgotten about how much you squealed about the whole genre thing months ago, and now you are back to try to shoehorn it in again. Sigh. No. Bring more sources, please.

As well, this whole edit-warring bullshit of yours needs to stop, bbecause its fucking childish. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2018 (UTC)