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Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS]] and we really don't need to report on every single day's activities regarding the protest responses to this incident. I think this should be trimmed considerably, as it current has more details than most of the rest of the article and seems unduly focused on this one consequence. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS]] and we really don't need to report on every single day's activities regarding the protest responses to this incident. I think this should be trimmed considerably, as it current has more details than most of the rest of the article and seems unduly focused on this one consequence. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

== WMF agrees to comply India's law. So kindly remove name of victim immediately. ==

WMF has agreed to comply with India's law and WMF's grievance officer appointed under Indian law shall appear before the Delhi High Court early next month. In the meantime the Supreme Court's constituted National Task Force for Doctors Safety is hearing Indian NGOs objecting to to Wikipedia's publishing of Rape/Murder victims name, on 12th September 2024. It is sincerely hoped that the name of the victim is completely removed by then, including from the archived historical versions (revdelled) so that editors (including editors on this talk page objecting to the name's removal citing [[WP:NOTCENSORED]] etc.) are not summoned and prosecuted. The URL of one of the complainants in the matters is [https://www.hindurakshadal.org/media/downloads/gmail---representation-to-national-task-force-for-doctor-safety--submitted-by-hindu-raksha-dal.pdf '''here''']. Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/49.36.178.188|49.36.178.188]] ([[User talk:49.36.178.188|talk]]) 05:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:05, 8 September 2024


Requested move 16 August 2024

2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident → 2024 Kolkata rape and murder – Incident was pointlessly added to the title in an undiscussed move. 2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there may be WP:ENGVAR issues in play since "Rape and murder" is a perfectly acceptable noun, but I think it's percieved by some commenters as an adjective. If this fails, I prefer moving to 2024 Kolkata rape and murder case instead, it's the other keyword similar articles share. Soni (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be a bad precedent to put Murder of Moumita Debnath or Killing of Moumita Debnath as the title. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED so I agree on not removing the name from the article. But nearly no Indian sources will identify her by name, so it cannot be the primary landing page simply because people will not use it. Legal concerns aside, the utility of the article is strictly worsened by having her name be part of the title and I would strongly oppose any title with her name in it.
The coverage of this incident is probably differing significantly based on Indian and Western sources, and I'd suggest deferring to former when it comes to title at keast. I suspect most editors supporting this move are viewing it from a latter lens Soni (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Noticeboard for India-related topics has been notified of this discussion. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Death, WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, WikiProject India/Women and gender issues, WikiProject Law Enforcement, and WikiProject Law have been notified of this discussion. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A
To clarify, I believe Killing of Moumita Debnath to be a better alternative to either title, being both concise and specific. rariteh (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
minor comment a more formative title then that would be Murder of Moumita Debnath
Thanks,
Daisytheduck quack quack 12:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It is too soon to call this a "Murder of ..." article, for WP:BLPCRIME reasons, because a conviction for murder is required. But WP:KILLINGS indicates Killing of Moumita Debnath is an acceptable title at this stage in the court proceedings. I would support a title that starts "Killing of ...", for now, with an understanding that a second move to "Murder of ..." would happen if any perpetrator is found guilty and convicted for murder at a later date. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameron Dewe Then why does the current title have the word murder in it then?
Thanks,
Daisytheduck quack quack 00:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Daisytheduck: Good question. The original title applied the event naming convention which includes a succinct description of "when", "where" and "what" in the title. The news media have reported the "what" aspect of this event as a "rape and murder", which makes that a commonly recognizable name. While the police are investigating this crime as a murder, and have laid murder charges, they have yet to prove that a particular person was murdered, by securing a conviction. This is about different standards of proof needed for laying charges, which only need a suspicion or allegation, verses a conviction in a fair court trial which requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, which is a much higher standard. Like many British Commonwealth related jurisdictions, Indian law allows the court to convict for manslaughter, rather than murder, if intent to cause death cannot be proved, but a "culpable homicide" can be. Until the trial is finished, Wikipedia cannot say if the named victim was murdered or not, although she is dead in violent circumstances. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameron Dewe I get your point, but most of the of the reliable sources (which wikipedia relies on for articles such as this) all call it as a murder and thus should reflect that consensus.
Daisytheduck quack quack 04:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Daisytheduck: Then Wikipedia should use the commonly recognizable "when", "where" and "what" title formulation, not the "Murder of <victim>" naming convention. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameron Dewe the "when", "where" and "what" title formulation is only really necessary when more than a year has passed since the event in question. But i see your point maybe a comprimise is to happen perhaps a redirect is for the best ;)
Daisytheduck quack quack 06:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose purely on grammatical grounds; "2024 Kolkata rape and murder" is ambiguous, "rape and murder" functions as an adjective of 2024 Kolkata, it can imply that the article is about rape and murder in Kolkata throughout 2024. (Has there only been one murder in Kolkata in 2024? One rape?). "2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident" is unambiguous, referring to a specific event for which the article focusses. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Killing of Moumita Debnath instead as more concise and precise. --woodensuperman 10:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — It's essential to include "incident" in the title. It's not just a crime story, there's a big impact in the aftermath of the crime. STSC (talk)
  • Support --- As I said over on the discussion when someone tried to move the 2012 Delhi case to a page with incident in the title, it adds nothing other than an extra word. "Incident" is unneeded. Paris1127 (talk) 03:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --- Primarily based on empirical evidence that has been shared by Schwinnspeed above. Although the term incident is more specific and technically correct, its absence would not adversely affect the average Wikipedia reader who comes here for some form of clarity and explanation about what happened. In times of confusion, having access to the unbiased, uncensored information written in a neutral tone is what helps the reader. Unfortunately, the evidence shows that outrage directed towards the region is what encourages better practices by the governments and bureaucrats. AradhanaChatterjee (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the entire structure of the title is both misleading and arbitrary. Was "Kolkata" someone who was raped and murdered? For an uninformed user, there's no way to recognize this is referncing a geographic location. And why is the focus on the location? It should be on the subject. Further, why are we including the rape element of the case, and not anything else that might have happened to the victim? I agree with other suggestions that Killing of Moumita Debnath is more suitable (can't say "murder" until a conviction, IMO). --ZimZalaBim talk 13:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Incident is awkward phrasing and not needed here. Having the location gives this a way to distinguish from other events (tragically, that happens way too often) that don't generate the impact that this is having. Oppose using the victims name at this point unless it becomse widely used. Ravensfire (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support :Another gang-rape-to-death in India... The word "incident" is unnecessary, and its use in the title subtly minimizes the lethal natures of the crimes. An even better 'searchable' title would be Kolkata Hospital rape and murder. When an agreement is reached that the quantity of collected semen signifies that a gang rape occurred (more culturally common than a lone rapist), then the title can be changed to Kolkata Hospital gang rape and murder. Unfortunately. Metokpema (talk) 05:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - What happens if there are 2 or 3 more Kolkata rape and murder in 2024 how to differentiate. Earlier suggestion like " 2024 Kolkata RGK Hospital rape and murder" is more WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE . 73.134.157.37 (talk) 15:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What if? Then we fix it later. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support: I do think the word incident is not necessary as the Kallang Bahru rape and murder article is titled similarly. I think something similar to the Killing of Moumita Debnath would be a stronger title. FloridaMan21 16:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a title that includes "Moumita Debnath" (unless it's a BLP violation); oppose anything else. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would argue this is a borderline BLP case based on using her name in the title. It's always dicey when legally speaking it's not possible to use her name without risking some clash with Indian law, but it does seem very much in the spirit of BLP violations (It has the potential to cause direct harm). It's hard to say though, there really aren't that many cases that have "Some sources prefer using the name" amidst a larger ongoing censorship.
    I already oppose this for other reasons as mentioned above Soni (talk) 23:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as excessively generic per above. If this article is to be moved, I would support a move to Rape and murder of Moumita Debnath. — The Anome (talk) 10:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a move to Killing of Moumita Debnath.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a move to Killing of Moumita Debnath. Ktkvtsh (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Too general and syntactically unsound. Makes the article sound as if it is a record of such in crimes in Kolkata in 2024. Glass Snow (talk) 08:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Without a murder conviction, we cannot use any title which includes murder. 2A00:23EE:2948:4976:ADBA:EDD9:A93F:4FF7 (talk) 18:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this move. I'd also be fine with renaming it the Rape and murder of Moumita Debnath. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 07:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a move strongly . Wikipedia must be consistent with respect to other incidents and the title isn't syntactically sound , in other words it just sounds weird. And for those who say that it will sound like multiple rapes or murders have been committed , its just plain wrong, the title itself would say "rape and murder" i.e singular Nohorizonss (talk) 12:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    At the risk of repeating myself, I'll say that this isn't a "People are wrong" problem but an WP:ENGVAR case. Rape and Murder singular does feel icky to me based on Indian English principles I have learnt over my life. I understand it's grammatically acceptable worldwide, but that does not make people who disagree "plain wrong" Soni (talk) 23:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree and Disagree
I agree that the name should be changed. It's not an incident as someone was killed. An incident usually implies that something happened with no deaths.
I do not support a move though as what would the pretense the move be?
I believe the name should be changed to the Killing of Moumita Debnath but if we are going to make this page stay then it should list every single murder or rape that's occurred.
Not that those pages don't exist as there are pages such as the list of murders by amount, etc.
There are two sides to this, we could change the purpose of this page to be a list or we should move it to be specific. Reader of Information (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom and other similar articles. Macrobreed2 (talk) 14:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as proposed, but prefer move to Killing of Moumita Debnath. We often name the victim in the titles of such articles. Enough sources mention the name that there is no concern with us doing so. I recognize that Wikipedia may not match the consensus of Indian media, but also, there is no consensus in Indian media to match. It is fine for Wikipedia to use its own naming precedents. Bluerasberry (talk) 15:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose moving to Murder of Moumita Debnath This is a recent death BLP, and I think we are applying our naming conventions and Western ideas of respect somewhat blindly. Western convention is to name victims, out of a sense of respect. But in India, as evinced by Indian RS, there is a convention against naming victims so as to not bring harassment on their families (unfortunately rape victims are extremely stigmatized). The requests asking us to remove the name is evidence of this too. The name of a murder victim is not inherently the best way to cover a murder. I suggest as an alternative: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder so as to be more specific, but would be fine with a variety of approaches that aren't based on her name. I agree that appending "incident" is not helpful. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like that suggestion. I also oppose publicizing the victim's name. Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion, and decent people do not publicize personally identifying information about rape victims. It's one thing if a rape victim (or their family) says they're willing to go public. It's a completely different thing when media outlets try to make money and whip up sectarian outrage by revealing personal information.
    I assume that we have a policy somewhere that says rape victims aren't to be (further) outed on Wikipedia. If we don't, then perhaps we should. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: No policy specific to rape victims as far as I am aware. the nearest is WP:VICTIM and WP:LPI. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The proposed title, "2024 Kolkata rape and murder" reads like a general overview, so I disagree with those who say that incident is superfluous. "2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident" reads like it was the only such incident. I'm inclined to agree with Woodensuperman (talk · contribs) above, i.e., Killing of Moumita Debnath being both precise and concise. I respect the point made by CaptainEek (talk · contribs) about not stigmatizing the victim, however, we wouldn't be discussing it if it hadn't been widely publicized already. Buffalkill (talk) 03:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit page link for National Task Force for safety of medical professionals at the workplace

Please change "national task force" to "national task force". (This page is for the Supreme Court-constituted National Task Force (NTF) for safety of medical professionals at the workplace.) HorizonNew (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of National Task Force for Safety of Medical Professionals into 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident

This is a body created in the aftermath of 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident and has only existed for a very short amount of time and only in relation to that event. This could just be a sentence or two mention in 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident and doesn't need its own article which is essentially a directory listing of the members and little else. ZimZalaBim talk 16:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I {{prod}}ed it under WP:NTEMP and WP:INHERITORG. I removed the WP:NAMECHECK directory. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two articles should not be merged because of the following reasons:
1. The National Task Force (NTF) for safety of medical professionals at workplace deals with all forms of violence against healthcare professionals at work. It is not only for sexual violence. The Supreme Court of India, which has instituted this taskforce, has made this very clear in its order of 20 August 2024. Check here:[1]
2. The NTF is not investigating the Kolkata rape and muder case. Although that incident triggered the creation of the NTF, the NTF is looking at a broader issue of all forms of workplace violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals all over India. Thus the two articles cannot be merged as they are different issues. Again do refer to the Supreme Court order of point (1).
3. There have been many other serious violence against medical personnel in India. Refer Aruna Ramchandra Shanbaug and Vandana Das cases as two examples. All these have led to the need for the creation of this NTF.
4. There have been several attempts to bring in legislation in India to deal with all types of workplace violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals but none have succeeded. This NTF report could lead to a comprehensive law against WPV for medical personnel in India. Again do refer to the Supreme Court order of point (1). HorizonNew (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, the reasons I mentioned were Notability is not temporary and No inherited notability.
A quick Google search "National Task Force for Safety of Medical Professionals" only gives 27 results (see page 3). All are related to the case. You counter with It is not only for sexual violence. However, the supreme court is a primary source and we need a secondary source such as a newspaper.
Points 2 and 4 are unsourced. Point 3's crucial led to the need part is unsourced.
NTEMP says you need to prove that this task force will still be remembered and covered by newspapers after some time passes. There need to be sources saying it will continue to exist and achieve something, and be different from the millions of non-notable short-lived task forces that sat around and did nothing. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
Newspaper source (apart from the primary Supreme Court order) for my Points 1 and 2 that this NTF is dealing with all kinds of workplace violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals:
"According to the terms of reference, the national task force will prepare an action plan categorised under two heads: a) prevention of violence against medical professionals and providing safe working conditions; b) providing an enforceable national protocol for dignified and safe working conditions for interns, residents, senior residents, doctors, nurses, and all medical professionals."[2]
Source for Point 3:
"Women are at particular risk of sexual and non-sexual violence in these settings. Due to ingrained patriarchal attitudes and biases, relatives of patients are more likely to challenge women medical professionals. In addition to this, female medical professionals also face different forms of sexual violence at the workplace by colleagues, seniors and persons in authority. Sexual violence has had its origins even within the institution, the case of Aruna Shanbag being a case in point." From Supreme Court of India order dated 20 August 2024 (refer my earlier PDF link).
Source for Point 4:
"Several States, such as Maharashtra4 , Kerala5 , Karnataka6 , Telangana7 , West Bengal8 , Andhra Pradesh9 and Tamil Nadu10 have enacted legislation to protect healthcare service professionals from violence and damage to property. All these enactments prohibit any act of violence against medical professionals. The offence is non-bailable and punishable with three years of imprisonment. However, these enactments do not address the institutional and systemic causes that underlie the problem. An enhanced punishment without improving institutional safety standards falls short of addressing the problem effectively." From Supreme Court of India order dated 20 August 2024 (refer my earlier PDF link).
Note: The Supreme Court is the most important source since the NTF was created based on its order dated 20 August 2024.
Does the last sentence of the previous comment "There is no indication that it will exist or achieve anything, or be different from the millions of non-notable short-lived task forces that sat around and did nothing" mean that every taskforce in this world will be "non-notable" and "short-lived" and "do nothing"? I am sure there is no reliable source/proof for this conclusion. HorizonNew (talk) 04:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The primary source for point 3 and 4 is still weak, but you have addressed my INHERITORG concern by using Hindustan Times.
I should have phrased my last sentence better. Basically, I think we should wait until the task force actually achieves a few results before we write an article about them. After that, we want to make sure newspapers still care about this task force in like 6 months. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 04:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge. It is a task force created not for making suggestions and reforms at one specific hospital. It is an overall task force created for making nationwide suggestions. Its activities are not just related to the one incident. Albeit the Kolkata incident triggered the making of the task force, but the task force itself is a prominent body. Similar examples are September 11 attacks, 9/11 Commission. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 08:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Alleged rape and murder incident of a trainee doctor in R.G. Kar Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata and related issues" (PDF). Supreme Court of India. 2024-08-20. Retrieved 2024-08-28.
  2. ^ "Healthcare professionals' safety: NTF holds first meeting; launches portal". Hindustan Times. 2024-08-27. Retrieved 2024-08-29.

Name of the victim

Name of the victim should be removed from the article 117.204.135.200 (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? GrabUp - Talk 16:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would assume it is for the twin reasons that naming rape victims appears to be against Indian law, and that it is seen as disrespectful/risks harassing the victims family. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indian law can prohibit naming rape victims, but Wikipedia is not under Indian jurisdiction. Moreover, sources like ABP News and News18 are under Indian jurisdiction, yet they are publicly using the name. So, why can’t Wikipedia? GrabUp - Talk 03:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ABP News and News 18 have obtained a stay order from Bombay High Court and also Chennai High Court against complying with the intermediary provisions of the Indian IT Act and its Digital Media Rules 2021. Wikimedia Foundation have no such injunction in their favour. In any case this article (and the disobedient Indian editor) has been reported to the Supreme Court of India's National Task Force for Doctors' safety and the hearing is scheduled for 12th September 2024 before the Task Force. 49.36.178.228 (talk) 15:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, this was discussed extensively in this archived thread: Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder_incident/Archive_1#Discussion_on_Removing_Victim's_Name. --ZimZalaBim talk 19:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the note, I'm not advocating for removing this content from the page at all - just looking at where the prominence is placed. — xaosflux Talk 20:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't see any need to publicize the name of a rape victim without consent, especially so soon after the rape, even if she's dead (in which case, the consent should come from her family). WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should start an RFC? GrabUp - Talk 17:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dellhi High Court advises WIKIPEDIA to leave India if it won't comply with India's laws - issues contempt notice - refusal to provide details of editors not acceptable.49.36.178.108 (talk) 14:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Autopsy Report

Autopsy report is not in the public domain. The references quoted are reported second hand at best, from unreliable sources and social media. Orthopodspace (talk) 00:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Orthopodspace: You mean India Today, Livemint are unreliable sources? GrabUp - Talk 02:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's important to distinguish between primary sources (the autopsy report in the public domain) and secondary sources (reports about the report in the news media citing anonymous sources) EnneDee (talk) 03:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EnneDee: Wikipedia finds secondary sources more reliable compared to primary sources. GrabUp - Talk 03:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed.. But the text imo instead of saying "An autopsy revealed.." should say "Media reports about the autopsy reveal..." EnneDee (talk) 04:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
or "media reports say that the autopsy revealed..." EnneDee (talk) 04:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Perhaps 'According to unconfirmed media reports, the autopsy report revealed...' would be more appropriate? 73.134.148.192 (talk) 12:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yup... That seems most accurate EnneDee (talk) 15:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. 2601:14B:407E:BFA0:A041:83B7:E98F:1EAC (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a weasel term to me. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 15:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Call it what you like, but if wiki has to publish unsubstantiated reports, it should at least be accompanied by a disclaimer to save its reputation. 2601:14B:407E:BFA0:A041:83B7:E98F:1EAC (talk) 00:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protests section getting bloated

Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and we really don't need to report on every single day's activities regarding the protest responses to this incident. I think this should be trimmed considerably, as it current has more details than most of the rest of the article and seems unduly focused on this one consequence. --ZimZalaBim talk 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WMF agrees to comply India's law. So kindly remove name of victim immediately.

WMF has agreed to comply with India's law and WMF's grievance officer appointed under Indian law shall appear before the Delhi High Court early next month. In the meantime the Supreme Court's constituted National Task Force for Doctors Safety is hearing Indian NGOs objecting to to Wikipedia's publishing of Rape/Murder victims name, on 12th September 2024. It is sincerely hoped that the name of the victim is completely removed by then, including from the archived historical versions (revdelled) so that editors (including editors on this talk page objecting to the name's removal citing WP:NOTCENSORED etc.) are not summoned and prosecuted. The URL of one of the complainants in the matters is here. Cheers. 49.36.178.188 (talk) 05:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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