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Elevated Acre

The Elevated Acre should have its own entry. New Yorkers? Ref in Untapped Cities: http://untappedcities.com/2013/07/01/financial-districts-secret-plaza-the-elevated-acre-at-55-water-street/ Cellmaker (talk) 07:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC):

I agree! And the Elevated Acre has recently blown up on TikTok. I went to visit it the other day and seemed like a LOT of new casual visitors / tourists (since the building is otherwise empty due to COVID-19 work from home). I'd create the page or help but I don't have any info handy. I do have access to an Alabama Retirement System encyclopedia (owners of 55 Water) which might have relevant source info on Elevated Acre? I can get to it in a few months when I visit my parents. --Nickgray (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rlink2 (talk) 20:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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55 Water Street

To T:DYK/P2

• ... that New York City's largest office building is owned by an Alabama pension fund? Source: (1) Bagli, Charles V. (September 9, 2010). "Betting on $2 Billion Sale: Will the Market Blanch?". The New York Times. "At nearly three million square feet, 111 Eighth is the fourth-largest office building in New York City (55 Water Street, with 3.8 million square feet, is the largest)" (2) "Olympia & York unit transfers ownership of an office building". Wall Street Journal. October 6, 1993. p. B4
  • ALT1: ... that 55 Water Street, New York City's largest office building, is owned by an Alabama pension fund? Source: (1) Bagli, Charles V. (September 9, 2010). "Betting on $2 Billion Sale: Will the Market Blanch?". The New York Times. "At nearly three million square feet, 111 Eighth is the fourth-largest office building in New York City (55 Water Street, with 3.8 million square feet, is the largest)" (2) "Olympia & York unit transfers ownership of an office building". Wall Street Journal. October 6, 1993. p. B4
  • ALT2: ... that 55 Water Street was a "premier" tower for financial services firms in the early 1990s, but it soon became bankrupt? Source: Barsky, Neil (November 5, 1992). "Commercial Property Market's Troubles May Deepen As 1980s Leases Expire, Building Owners Face More Vacancies". Wall Street Journal. p. B4
  • ALT3: ... that when 55 Water Street was built in the late 1960s, one tenant leased 1.1×10^⁶ sq ft (100,000 m²) in what was the largest commercial lease ever executed? Source: "Closing on Big Lease". The New York Times. November 23, 1969. p. R7.
  • ALT4: ... that 55 Water Street was the world's largest privately owned office building when it was built? Source: "News of Realty: Uris Tower Lease; Bear, Stearns Will Relocate in New Office Building". The New York Times. March 31, 1969.
  • ALT5: ... that three streets were closed to make way for 55 Water Street, which occupied four city blocks? Source: Stern, Robert A. M.; Mellins, Thomas; Fishman, David (1995). New York 1960: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Second World War and the Bicentennial. New York: Monacelli Press. p. 183
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WXIX-TV

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: AGF on the Stern et al book. I prefer ALTs 2,3, and 4 to original hook and ALTs 1 and 5, but all are OK. @Epicgenius: thanks for your work on the article. This DYK should be good to go once QPQ is completed. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for the review. I will complete a QPQ within a few days. Epicgenius (talk) 14:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@BennyOnTheLoose: Sorry for the wait and thanks again. I have now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Approving. Thanks, Epicgenius. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:55 Water Street/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Fritzmann2002 (talk · contribs) 01:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Evening Epicgenius, I'll go ahead and take this one as my last review for the GAN drive. Wouldn't be the complete experience without an NYC building review! Should be done sometime tomorrow at the latest. Fritzmann (message me) 01:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Prose

• Were there any other buildings on the four blocks besides the Seaman's Institute?
  • I will have to look later. I know there were probably other low-rise buildings, but only the Seaman's Institute was notable. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link/explain mullion? I know at least I'm not familiar with the term
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "55 Water Street has remained New York City's largest office building into the 21st century" perhaps just "as of 2019" to be more specific in regards to the source? This makes it sound a little like something else surpassed it in the 21st century
  • Done, but the source was from 2010, so I've done that. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "was allowed to build an additional 485,640 sq ft (45,117 m2)" so the original plans were for a smaller building? Where was this additional footage added? Was it because of zoning laws perhaps?
  • Yes, zoning regulations limited the maximum amount of space that every land lot could have. The developer received permission to build a larger structure in exchange for adding the plaza; the building's height was then increased. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "through which tenants and guests must pass through"
  • Oops, fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "lifted into the building's facade at night" why at night?
  • It was when there was less traffic. I've added this. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Should LF Rothschild be L.F. Rothschild?
  • Yep, done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Could the mention of the short story collection be moved to the Reception section? I think that subject could be expanded somewhat if it were moved and there is any material on it
  • I've moved the short story collection. I need to look for further info on this later, though. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "stop worrying and love the boom" is this a reference to Doctor Strangelove? Would a link be appropriate if so?
  • I am not sure, actually. Epicgenius (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• "contains a 36-story replica of 55 Water Street" how large is the replica? Maybe it's just me but I feel like it's very interesting that this was one of the buildings chosen; a few sentences on the replica may be welcome, perhaps that could be a brief second paragraph of the reception section
  • I've added a little more detail about this. However, there isn't much commentary about that building to begin with. Epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
• The only other general note that I had was perhaps some more of the mechanical features details could be relegated to notes. I feel that is done well with the existing notes and could maybe make that section a little easier to read without sacrificing any content
  • I have moved some more details into the footnotes. Epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

References

• Earwig gives max similarity of 13% which is all from properly attributed quotes
• Will perform 10 reference spotchecks, will do more if there are any issues

1. 2b: very cool zoning map. Spent way longer looking at it than I planned. All good here.
2. 7a: discusses the process of land reclamation
3. 8: mentions five other buildings Emory Roth built
4. 33a: states they were responsible for park maintenance
5. 41: all about 2005 reopening
6. 43: mentions Sky 55
7. 64: all about asset sale
8. 71b, 76: maybe I'm having an absolute brainfart, but I can only find that they were "one of" the largest in NYC, not "the largest"

   Oops. I have fixed that. Epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

9. 86: Harbor Club is, in fact, a thing

Summary

Very few content notes, I'll get started on the references checks later today; that will probably take me a little longer but I don't foresee any major issues. Fritzmann (message me) 13:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Should be wrapped up with the review, once the last few points are addressed it should be all good. Fritzmann (message me) 15:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @Fritzmann2002. I should be able to tackle all of these points by tomorrow or Thursday. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again for the review @Fritzmann2002. I have now addressed all of these issues. Epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks solid, thanks for the timely and painless review process. I'll go ahead and promote! Fritzmann (message me) 17:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)