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Borders in table

The table with automobile groups and its brands in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#Top_vehicle_manufacturing_groups_by_volume is terrible without the borders (they are not seen at least in firefox). Could someone add the borders? Also the table is too narrow and too high.

Title “automotive Industry” ; proposal to change to “Automotive Manufacturing Industry”

Reading the first paragraph it makes the distinction that this Wikipedia topic excludes everything after the vehicle leaves the factory.

In real terms the automotive industry is the suppliers of parts, the vehicle manufacturers and the service industries once vehicle is sold. As such the UK Charity BEN.org.uk (Ben - Motor and Allied Trades Benevolent Fund) covers anyone who has worked in the motor Manufacturing industry or its allied Trades e.g. vehicle sales or service, parts manufacturers etc.

Therefore this topic would be more appropriately titled “Automotive Manufacturing Industry”.

It would also be appropriate to add a reference/link to the wider “Automotive Industry” I mentioned above, or a paragraph making this distinction clear.

dbridge276 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Some thoughts....

Auto related industries are in GICS under:

Consumer Discretionary > Automobiles & Components > Automobiles
Consumer Discretionary > Automobiles & Components > Auto Components

And for example:

Consumer Discretionary > Retailing > Specialty Retail > Automotive Retail
- "Includes auto dealers, gas stations, and retailers of auto accessories, motorcycles & parts, automotive glass, and automotive equipment & parts."
Consumer Discretionary > Consumer Services > Diversified Consumer Services
- I believe this includes auto body shops, auto repair shops, and similar.

https://www.msci.com/our-solutions/indexes/gics

Based on that I'm coming up with articles tiles:

Automobile Industry
Automobile Component Industry (or Automobile Parts Industry)
Automobile Retail Industry
Automobile Service Industry (I'm making this this one up but it seems appropriate)

For this article I'm leaning toward "Automobile Industry" with "Not to be confused with" linking to "Automobile Components Industry"" at the top of the page.

I personally prefer "parts" instead of "components" but I'm going with what GICS uses.
"Automobile Components Industry" would need to be created (or I missed it when searching)
- I believe this is appropriate based on the fact that this page is dedicated to automobile manufacturers and does not include, for example, OEM parts manufacturers.
- I'd rename or merge Automotive aftermarket with "Automobile Components Industry"

Related: The lead of this article seems incorrect in the first place. It claims "organizations involved in the [...] marketing, and selling" but the reference does not support this.

Ggpur (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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History section is outdated

Its statistics are up to 2012, and need an update. Forich (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated information

I noticed this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#Top_vehicle_manufacturing_groups_by_volume PSA and FCA are just one giant company now. What you're gonna do with all of this?

20chances (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joint Ventures

I have moved a couple of China joint ventures from Outside China JV to their proper place under China joint ventures. That said, there seems to be little reason to separate China JVs from Outside China JVs. Unless consensus emerges to leave as is, I will merge both sections into plain "Joint Ventures." Please note that this chapter is largely unsourced, so removal may be another option if the sourcing situation does not improve. BsBsBs (talk)

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+== Joint Ventures ==
+I have moved a couple of China joint ventures from Outside China JV to their proper place under China joint ventures. That said, there seems to be little reason to separate China JVs from Outside China JVs. Unless consensus emerges to leave as is, I will merge both sections into plain "Joint Ventures." Please note that this chapter is largely unsourced, so removal may be another option if the sourcing situation does not improve. [[User:BsBsBs|BsBsBs]] ([[User talk:BsBsBs|talk]])