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Grace Kelly had affairs with all of her leading men apart from James Stewart. She also had affairs with Marlon Brando, David Niven, Jean-Pierre Aumont and Oleg Cassini. Why is there no mention of this in the article? (86.160.157.142 (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)) Feel free to provide this information yourself! :) Of course, you should cite reliable sources. Surtsicna (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The next Grace Kelly way back when?

The wikipedia article on Dina Merrill suggests that, if not exactly in those words. She appeared in at least one Alfred Hitchcock episode ("Bonfire"). For Grace Kelly, we notice this on wikipedia: 'It is well known that Hitchcock was hoping she would appear in more of his films which required an "icy blonde" lead actress, but he was unable to coax her out of retirement.' Carlm0404 (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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Also known as Grace of Monaco

I do not believe this reversal is constructive. The reader is better informed if her a.k.a. is clearly marked in the opening sentence with bold font. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

It's redundant to the title by which she is identified in that same sentence, princess of Monaco. It is as redundant as saying that Elizabeth I, queen of England, is also known as Elizabeth of England. Surtsicna (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Grace is almost as well known under "Grace of Monaco" as she is under "Grace Kelly". Thus her a.k.a. should be bold in the lead. Elizabeth I is irrelevant. She is not that well-known under "Elizabeth of England", and (thank goodness!) the article is not called "Elizabeth Tudor". Not every princess of Monaco has been well-known as "[Name] of Monaco". This one has. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with the edit. Grace was a consort, not a regent. For example, consorts of England such as Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra are titled by their maiden names, Mary of Teck and Alexandra of Denmark. The only consort(s) I know of to retain their titular consortial titles are those who were alive after Wikipedia's inception, such as Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. Grace is referred by her royal title several times later in the article, and is often referred to by her own foundation, the Princess Grace Foundation, by her maiden name for public recollection. But her status as a consort is respected within the article. --Bettydaisies

Not a "regent"? What does that mean? Who ever said she was a "regent"?

The question here is not about who else is called what, nor about what is "respected" in the article. It's simply about whether or not this particular person had a very well-known a.k.a. which should be bolded in the lead. Has she often been called "Grace of Monaco" rather that "Grace Kelly" or has she not? Nothing else needs to be discussed, if we are going to stay on point.--SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I was simply pointing out Wikipedia's precedent for referring to consorts who died before Wikipedia's inception - a precedent you are no doubt aware of, as your opinion about it is even listed on your page. I understand you disagree with it, but it cannot be changed without a substantial consensus from bigger forces. I also understand why you believe she should be referred to as Grace of Monaco, given her status, tenure, and even her signature as "Grace de Monaco". In my opinion, I sincerely doubt that anyone, Monegasque or not, doesn't know that she worked as an actress in her maiden years under the name Grace Kelly. Again, even her own foundation refers to her as such for recognition. Therefore, I don't think the addition needed. --Bettydaisies —Preceding undated comment added 19:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

We should discuss what this talk section is about, not me and not a variety of other issues.

My user page and her foundations and (as I stated before) precedent re: unmarried name forms, and "her status, tenure, and even her signature as 'Grace de Monaco'" and whether or not we know she worked as an actress, are all irrelevant.

The question is only whether this woman has an a.k.a. so widely used that it should be in bold type in the lead of the article. No need to discuss anything else, nor to seek consensus about anything else. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi! My final opinion to offer on this matter is that Grace Kelly, from my experience, is best known to the general, modern-day public as Grace Kelly, and unless gained consensus on this page, she should be referred to as such. Wikipedia additionally has a precedent for all consorts to be primarily addressed by their maiden name, which is in line with the article as it currently stands. Have a fantastic week.

Another totally irrelevant comment. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Please refrain from making baseless claims about my commentary unless it's on my talk page - which you have already done. There's no need for curt hostility within this discussion. Thank you for your opinion. Have a fantastic day. --Bettydaisies —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

She is only known as Grace of Monaco in the context of having been Princess Grace of Monaco, and she is already defined in the sentence as princess of Monaco. Surtsicna (talk) 10:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Any very well known and frequently referred-to a.k.a., in this case Grace of Monaco, is supposed to be given in bold type in an article's lead regardless of what else is given in non-bold type about his/her title. That a.k.a. is Grace of Monaco, not Princess Grace of Monaco. We are here to educate readers with readily available facts and formats, not to confuse anyone as to why, in this particular case, Grace of Monaco is not clearly highlighted for ready reference. There are several princesses and princes of Monaco who are not well known as [Name] of Monaco. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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The Country Girl

• She was initially dressed in fashionable dresses, but this wardrobe changed to ordinary-looking cardigans and "house dresses" toward the end of the film.

Well, I've just watched this film, and the situation is precisely the reverse of what we say above. How could any reliable source have got it so wrong? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 04:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Personal life

I propose a 'personal life' section - she had many interests, political beliefs, opinions, residences, friendships, and relationships I believe are worth mentioning that don't fit elsewhere. Of course her marriage is stated in its own section; I'm not sure if it should or shouldn't be merged into a hypothetical PL section - but regardless, thoughts? --bettydaisies

The Princess of Wales

Diana, Princess of Wales was the title of Diana Spencer only after her divorce, so should never be used to refer to her before then. From her marriage until her divorce, her title was simply The Princess of Wales, never Diana, Princess of Wales and never Princess Diana (which was simply a made-up term by the media and public but as Diana pointed out, she was never actually a princess).

As Diana attended Grace's funeral as Princess of Wales, meaning the wife of the heir to the throne, and not in a private capacity, I have changed the wording of the reference in the article. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)