Talk:Eastern Oregon: Difference between revisions

References

I got the wrong reference style, but corrected it to be consistent with the style in Lake County (Oregon). MaxwellPerkins 20:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture

The "high desert" photograph is of Smith Rock and Gray Butte, which is in Central Oregon. Still, I think the photo should stay, because I think that in terms of climate at geography, Central Oregon is arguably a subregion of Eastern Oregon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl Dickman (talk • contribs) 03:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

What's what is a matter of perspective. when I go to cheyenne Wyoming, I tell my friends I'm happy to be 'back east'. OH well. You have the same problem within the state. People who live west of Cascades tend to lump everything east of the cascades as "eastern Oregon" However, you can go to Bend, Redmond or Madras and never see a reference to the area as 'Eastern Oregon'

the signs, radio, talking to people--- consistently refer to the Deschutes River drainage as "Central Oregon"

the name of the newspaper in Prineville is the "Central Oregonian", and it has been there since 1882. You can look at their website at "http://www.centraloregonian.com/". It seems to me that people are entitled to name themselves, and if we agree that folks from the Deschutes River Basin are more likely to self describe themselves as being in 'Central Oregon' as opposed to "Eastern Oregon" then we should accept that.Rvannatta 03:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Proper Eastern Oregon photos should be of the Pendleton Roundup, or of Hart Mountain or similar things.

Eastern Oregon and Central Oregon are not mutually exclusive, residents can be both. Geographic terms like these overlap and have different meanings to different people. Growing up in Hillsboro I was from the westside (of Portland), I was from the Tualatin Valley, I was from the Willamette Valley, I was from Western Oregon, I was from Northwestern Oregon, and even more from the Western United States and the Pacific Northwest both. Some of these overlap, some are completly within another larger category. It's not like its a bad thing to be from the eastside.

And to self indentification, that only goes so far, as whichever way needs to be sourced, though I'm sure there are reliable sources for either side. Plus it needs to be more of the mainstream view (with the alternate mentioned as it currently is in the lead per WP:NPOV), as we are not here to introduce original research or push points of views, just regergitate what society as a whole thinks. If all of society says the world is round, it doesn't really matter if another small group says the Earth if flat. Aboutmovies 17:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the recent change to the lead, this is not neutral POV. There are many different interpratations of what the geographic boundaries of Eastern Oregon are, here are a few maps USFS, see page 2, this has no eastern oregon, close to the current definition though adds parts of a county or two, similar to the last put purely county lines, very restrictive, in the middle, and about in the middle. So what I'm getting at, is we cannot determine what Eastern Oregon is/is not, that at this point would be taking sides/original researh. We need to try and present (without being too confusing) the general geographic boundaries and varitations. Aboutmovies 01:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

railroads

I rewrote the sentence on railroads which wrongly credited the Union Pacific with the first railroad in Eastern Oregon. the History is pretty complex. I am wondering though, if maybe the section should be renamed "Transportation in Eastern Oregon" It seems that 'Transportation' is sort of a pro-active alternative to 'Isolation' and would open the door to a discussion of all aspects of the transporation infrastructure in Eastern Oregon which is critical to understanding the region.Rvannatta 07:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I just intended the section names as a quick stab at the problem, subject to revision. "Transportation" would definitely be an improvement. Of course, the "in" part is a bit strange, since the current section has more with transportation "to and from." But, that's probably not worth worrying about. -Pete 08:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

My thought is to expand the transportation section to include the "in". I confined my rewrite to the to/from to conform to the heading, but still found it limiting. On the other hand isolation is still an issue with the very ability of some entire counties to continue to function still very much in doubt.Rvannatta 14:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization

Is there a reason that "Eastern Oregon," "Western Oregon," etc. are capitalized? I don't think they should be. -Pete 08:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you ever see my reponse in this discussion? FWIW, the legislative style manual (thus the Oregon Revised Statutes) say don't capitalize regions, while it appears The Oregonian does capitalize regions. My personal opinion is that they should be capitalized, but if consensus runs the other way I don't care that much. Katr67 18:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)