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The more i see comments on Wikipedia, the more it looks like there is a tendency to throw out deeply technical areas, and a lack of value for expertise.?. I do think it is going to hurt wikipedia in the long run. Also, i think the thought process that for eg: Ethernet is encyclopedic, while the standard IEEE 802.3 is not encyclopedic, for it stands as a marketing effort for IEEE does not make sense, for one is the same as the other! [[User:Gp1973|Gp1973]] ([[User talk:Gp1973|talk]]) 18:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The more i see comments on Wikipedia, the more it looks like there is a tendency to throw out deeply technical areas, and a lack of value for expertise.?. I do think it is going to hurt wikipedia in the long run. Also, i think the thought process that for eg: Ethernet is encyclopedic, while the standard IEEE 802.3 is not encyclopedic, for it stands as a marketing effort for IEEE does not make sense, for one is the same as the other! [[User:Gp1973|Gp1973]] ([[User talk:Gp1973|talk]]) 18:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
: A deep technical discussion is not appropriate for an encyclopedia; [[WP:NOT| Winkipedia is not a textbook]]. An article on a standard that just re-lists the table of contents is valueless; anyone can get that much off the IEC site. The article contained a lot of promotional phrases which was not appropriate for an encyclopedia; I've toned down some of the language. We dont have an article [[List of IEEE standards]] and I don't think it's required; the [[List of IEC standards]] article had many red links in it, and its valid links often point at more substantial articles than a mere list of the standard's contents. An informed, substantial article on [[Substation automation]] would be much more valuable than this empty article. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 18:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
: A deep technical discussion is not appropriate for an encyclopedia; [[WP:NOT| Winkipedia is not a textbook]]. An article on a standard that just re-lists the table of contents is valueless; anyone can get that much off the IEC site. The article contained a lot of promotional phrases which was not appropriate for an encyclopedia; I've toned down some of the language. We dont have an article [[List of IEEE standards]] and I don't think it's required; the [[List of IEC standards]] article had many red links in it, and its valid links often point at more substantial articles than a mere list of the standard's contents. An informed, substantial article on [[Substation automation]] would be much more valuable than this empty article. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 18:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:There are umpteen places where you can get information about almost all subjects, including substation automation. Hence does that mean that there should be no article on substation automation. Today, if someone has to write about substation automation, he has to talk about the standards used in substation automation?. And there are umpteen IEC/IEEE/ANSI standards involved. Now, if as an encyclopedia, you want to let users go and search for these elsewhere, then i think the article on SA has no intrinsic value being in Wikipedia. Secondly all standards under a list of standards is an area where some experts in that area can contribute. I still stand by the contention that Wikipedia is more of a generalists place to write some general stuff about everything. On the List of IEC Standards, i had a lot of intention of expanding the same. However, the way the community treats peoples time and effort, it really does not make sense to contribute more.[[User:Gp1973|Gp1973]] ([[User talk:Gp1973|talk]])
: There are umpteen places where you can get information about almost all subjects, including substation automation. Hence does that mean that there should be no article on substation automation. Today, if someone has to write about substation automation, he has to talk about the standards used in substation automation?. And there are umpteen IEC/IEEE/ANSI standards involved. Now, if as an encyclopedia, you want to let users go and search for these elsewhere, then i think the article on SA has no intrinsic value being in Wikipedia. Secondly all standards under a list of standards is an area where some experts in that area can contribute. I still stand by the contention that Wikipedia is more of a generalists place to write some general stuff about everything. On the List of IEC Standards, i had a lot of intention of expanding the same. However, the way the community treats peoples time and effort, it really does not make sense to contribute more.[[User:Gp1973|Gp1973]] ([[User talk:Gp1973|talk]])


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This is not very encyclopediac - anyone working in the field isn't going to come to the Wikipedia for this information, which is very sketchy. It's an instant orphan; nothing links here except the recent link from hydroelectricity, to which this article is only peripheral. It sounds like PR by the IEC to sell standards documents...do we need to advertise IEC publications here? --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should remove all standards from Wikipedia. Why only IEC?

The more i see comments on Wikipedia, the more it looks like there is a tendency to throw out deeply technical areas, and a lack of value for expertise.?. I do think it is going to hurt wikipedia in the long run. Also, i think the thought process that for eg: Ethernet is encyclopedic, while the standard IEEE 802.3 is not encyclopedic, for it stands as a marketing effort for IEEE does not make sense, for one is the same as the other! Gp1973 (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A deep technical discussion is not appropriate for an encyclopedia; Winkipedia is not a textbook. An article on a standard that just re-lists the table of contents is valueless; anyone can get that much off the IEC site. The article contained a lot of promotional phrases which was not appropriate for an encyclopedia; I've toned down some of the language. We dont have an article List of IEEE standards and I don't think it's required; the List of IEC standards article had many red links in it, and its valid links often point at more substantial articles than a mere list of the standard's contents. An informed, substantial article on Substation automation would be much more valuable than this empty article. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are umpteen places where you can get information about almost all subjects, including substation automation. Hence does that mean that there should be no article on substation automation. Today, if someone has to write about substation automation, he has to talk about the standards used in substation automation?. And there are umpteen IEC/IEEE/ANSI standards involved. Now, if as an encyclopedia, you want to let users go and search for these elsewhere, then i think the article on SA has no intrinsic value being in Wikipedia. Secondly all standards under a list of standards is an area where some experts in that area can contribute. I still stand by the contention that Wikipedia is more of a generalists place to write some general stuff about everything. On the List of IEC Standards, i had a lot of intention of expanding the same. However, the way the community treats peoples time and effort, it really does not make sense to contribute more.Gp1973 (talk)

The links in the subsections "Compatible Devices", "Compatible Software Tools" count as product advertising links - referring to WP:WPSPAM. There is no need to link to salable devices or software and the link to the IEC 61850 Blog does also not contain information that is associated to this Wikipedia article (but advertisement links to the same company). X4nd1 (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]