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:::Neither your references cited, nor the text you added, join those dots and I think doing so would be [[WP:SYNTHESIS]]. If you want to make that point then you need text that does, based on refs that do. Otherwise it just looks like misplaced airline news. Bombardier is not a player in the fighter competition, so your addition of {{tq|Bombardier finalized the sale of 50.01% of the CSeries program for the token sum of 1 Canadian dollar to [[Airbus]] which would use its [[Mobile, Alabama]] plant to assemble it for the US market}} and {{tq|Bombardier exited the commercial aviation market}} don't make any sense in the context. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]]) 23:02, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Neither your references cited, nor the text you added, join those dots and I think doing so would be [[WP:SYNTHESIS]]. If you want to make that point then you need text that does, based on refs that do. Otherwise it just looks like misplaced airline news. Bombardier is not a player in the fighter competition, so your addition of {{tq|Bombardier finalized the sale of 50.01% of the CSeries program for the token sum of 1 Canadian dollar to [[Airbus]] which would use its [[Mobile, Alabama]] plant to assemble it for the US market}} and {{tq|Bombardier exited the commercial aviation market}} don't make any sense in the context. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]]) 23:02, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

== Article still way too long ==

As of this writing, this article is the 2,565th-longest of the 6,428,376 articles on English Wikipedia. Put differently, it's longer than 99.96% of the articles on English Wikipedia. Let's be real -- while the selection of Canada's next fighter aircraft is important, it's not *that* important. For that reason, I flagged this article as being overly detailed, but just three hours later the edit was reverted by [[User:Ahunt]].

The stated justification for removing the flag was that "when the current procurement process is concluded then it will be much easier to discern what is relevant and what can be cut out". That's true of this and all other developing situations, but the article currently contains content that's clearly minutiae, like lengthy decade-old quotes from random pundits.

Another stated justification was that "this has been already discussed on the talk page", but said discussion consisted of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Canadian_procurement/Archive_1#Far_to_long a single two-sentence reply eight and a half years ago], also by Ahunt.

I acknowledge and commend the extensive copy edits [[User:Kyteto]] made recently, but they did not substantially reduce the extraordinary length of this article.

I'm adding this comment to solicit feedback from others, but given that the article is rarely edited, and usually by Ahunt, I'm not sure anyone else will see or comment. Ahunt, your position is already clear, so if there isn't substantive discussion from parties other than you and me, I'll post this to [[Wikipedia:Third_opinion]] to see what others think.

Thanks -- [[User:Stephen Hui|Stephen Hui]] ([[User talk:Stephen Hui|talk]]) 02:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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Boeing-initiated trade action against Bombardier

Some of my additions were reverted as not relevant, which is not true.

One of the outcomes of the trade action was that the Canadian government would consider the impact of a vendor on Canada's economic interests.

As a result of the tariffs imposed against the CSeries, Bombardier had to sell over half of the program to Airbus for 1 CAD. The planes destined to the US market would then be built at Airbus' Mobile plant to bypass tariffs, resulting in the loss of Canadian jobs. Airbus would also provide important help with marketing and services. If the tariffs had not been in place, Airbus could still have become a partner without having to transfer part of the final assembly to Mobile. Bombardier would also have had a stronger bargaining position

Later, Bombardier simply exited the commercial aircraft business. It can be debated whether this would have happened should Canada have retained 100% (or majority) ownership and final assembly in the program. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trigenibinion (talk • contribs)

That is all covered in Airbus A220, which is where it belongs. I don't see any connection to this article, which is about the potential purchase by Canada of F-35s. Neither ref you cited https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bombardier-results-idUSKBN2071FJ or https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-bombardier-airbus-cseries-idUKKCN1J40QN even mention the F-35. - Ahunt (talk) 19:40, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Super Hornet is a participant in this competition. Boeing's actions give more chances to the other planes, while the FTC's actions give more chances to the Gripen. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither your references cited, nor the text you added, join those dots and I think doing so would be WP:SYNTHESIS. If you want to make that point then you need text that does, based on refs that do. Otherwise it just looks like misplaced airline news. Bombardier is not a player in the fighter competition, so your addition of Bombardier finalized the sale of 50.01% of the CSeries program for the token sum of 1 Canadian dollar to Airbus which would use its Mobile, Alabama plant to assemble it for the US market and Bombardier exited the commercial aviation market don't make any sense in the context. - Ahunt (talk) 23:02, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article still way too long

As of this writing, this article is the 2,565th-longest of the 6,428,376 articles on English Wikipedia. Put differently, it's longer than 99.96% of the articles on English Wikipedia. Let's be real -- while the selection of Canada's next fighter aircraft is important, it's not *that* important. For that reason, I flagged this article as being overly detailed, but just three hours later the edit was reverted by User:Ahunt.

The stated justification for removing the flag was that "when the current procurement process is concluded then it will be much easier to discern what is relevant and what can be cut out". That's true of this and all other developing situations, but the article currently contains content that's clearly minutiae, like lengthy decade-old quotes from random pundits.

Another stated justification was that "this has been already discussed on the talk page", but said discussion consisted of a single two-sentence reply eight and a half years ago, also by Ahunt.

I acknowledge and commend the extensive copy edits User:Kyteto made recently, but they did not substantially reduce the extraordinary length of this article.

I'm adding this comment to solicit feedback from others, but given that the article is rarely edited, and usually by Ahunt, I'm not sure anyone else will see or comment. Ahunt, your position is already clear, so if there isn't substantive discussion from parties other than you and me, I'll post this to Wikipedia:Third_opinion to see what others think.

Thanks -- Stephen Hui (talk) 02:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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