Talk:List of the most intense tropical cyclones: Difference between revisions

Possible Improvements?

Hi, just a casual reader here… not sure if this is the right place to put this. Anyway, I think this article could be improved. The tables are inconsistent and kinda hard to quickly get info from. Why not group everything into a single table and allow the user to sot by categories eg. Name, Region, Date, Intensity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.18.134 (talk) 09:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Super Typhoon Haiyan

I have slowly been updating this as storm has been progressing through the Philippines. Please help with edits and it is official now 858mb pressure. Can someone Move Haiyan to the top of the list and change the pic to Haiyan instead of Tip or add Haiyan's Sat pic to that section thanks. Also we need to change any references to Tip being strongest. Though Tip is still "Largest"

Thanks, Shawn

Hi Shawn - im afraid that pressure estimate is completely unoffical since it comes from NOAA and not the WMO RSMC for the region which is the JMA.Jason Rees (talk) 19:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

So how long usually until http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/jma-eng/jma-center/rsmc-hp-pub-eg/Besttracks/bst2013.txt updates it has no data for Haiyan, nor anything after mid Oct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.183.164 (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Generally the JMA puts their best track out about 4- 8 weeks after the storm has dissipated.Jason Rees (talk) 17:40, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

North Indian Ocean Basin Question

I have a doubt. I have seen that 1999 BOB 07 (1999 Orissa Cyclone) has been listed as the strongest cyclone in NIO basin with a pressure of < 912 mbar. But, Typhoon Gay (1989) had a pressure of 898 mbar and it hit the Indian coast near Chennai.

Why is it not listed as the strongest storm in the NIO basin when it is stronger than BOB 07? Note: BOB 07 and Gay both had 260km/h winds (1 min sustained). Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 14:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

See here for why.Jason Rees (talk) 23:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice work

I'm setting this to high importance. I really liked how you used the best track source for the southern hemisphere cyclones! How come there is no best track file for RSMC Nadi? RaNdOm26 05:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Regarding the last comment, Fiji did not have a best track file, at least to my knowledge, so I relied on what I had. Is it a possible FL candidate? Hurricanehink (talk) 05:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

It's very close to being an FL. Expand the lead so it has good coverage of all basins. :) RaNdOm26 05:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Not that it is up to me, but i think this should be a FL. Good work! Juliancolton 19:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

This page appears out of date and doesn't include data from late 2006 or more recent. For example Monica (2006-23P) 879 mbar (mslp), c.f. http://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/atcr/2006atcr/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.182.1.4 (talk) 17:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Other article

Seeing this, I have the urge to write an article, "List of weakest Tropical Cyclones" Any thoughts? Juliancolton 00:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I greatly oppose that, as it would be a pointless list of tropical depressions (which would be an impossible list, since stats for depressions are horrible worldwide). --Hurricanehink (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was going for the weakest tropical storms, not including tropical depressions. -- Juliancolton (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Then it would be a pointless list of 40 mph tropical storms. Please do not make such a list. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Juliancolton (talk) 14:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Some of this isn't adding up

Some of JMA's pressures seem high and their winds seem low, are they measuring directly in the core of the storm at peak intensity? Gay in 1992 is listed at 900 mb and Angela from 1995 isn't even on the list. Both of those two had Dvorak T-numbers of 8, the highest possible reading and it has been suggested that either could have been stronger than Tip (as Tip's T-numbers were a little lower than both Gay's and Angela's, see Tip's article). If a storm has T-number of 8 in the Western Pacific Ocean, I can guarantee you that it will have a pressure lower than 900 millibars. I could almost guarantee that in the Atlantic, where pressures average higher (Wilma was a 7.2 or 7.5 I think. Tip was 7.5-7.8, something like that). JMA gives Gay's winds as 110 knots. That's something like 130 knots in 1-minute mean. A storm with a T-number of 8 will not have winds that low. Ask any expert who studies hurricanes and they will tell you the same thing. Angela's numbers don't make sense either. JMA gives 115 knot winds with a 910 millibar pressure. 115 knots in 10-min mean is roughly 135-140 in 1-min mean. Those figures are far too low for a T-8 storm. See NOAA's Dvorak chart for more info. -- §HurricaneERICarchive 22:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

"Season" column

I'm finding a bit confusing the "Season" column. It indicates just one year, which seems to be the starting year of the season, but it's easy to assume instead that it's the year of the hurricane itself. There seem to be a few mistakes there, e.g. Gafilo is from the 2003-04 season but year 2004 is listed, which is the year of the hurricane. OTOH Kalunde, which happened in 2003, shows year 2002 in the Season column, which is correct if that's to be the start year of the season.

I'd suggest that either the whole season is indicated to reduce ambiguity (e.g. 2003-04), or just the year in which the hurricane started forming, reached peak intensity, or some fixed criterium, so that just one year is listed. --pgimeno (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Super Typhoon "Gay" and "Zeb" data is wrong, and "Mike" should be added

Guys, anyone who can edit the info about Super Typhoon "Gay" and "Zeb" of the Western North Pacific basin? According to Wikipedia articles of respective typhoons, both have a minimun central pressure of 872 millibars. And how about adding Super Typhoon "Mike" of the 1990 Pacific typhoon season? It had a minimum pressure of 875 millibars and had winds of up to 300 km/h. Also, it's surprising to see that Super Typhoon "Angela" of 1995 isn't even listed. It should be there. Please anyone can edit it? I'm a first-time editor so I wouldn't edit it unless I know how to. --Rex 1213 (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

All data here is per the RSMC for the region (NHC, CPHC, JMA, IMD, MFR, BOM, BMG, FMS). For the WPAC the RSMC is the JMA whcih reports that Angela and Mike have peak pressures of 910 and 915 hPa respectively. To make it on to the list for the WPAC a storm has to have an offical pressure of under 901 hPa by JMA which means that Gay and Zeb are both featured as their peak pressures were 900 hPa.Jason Rees (talk) 23:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

And what about Paka? From Paka's page: "microbarographs are less exposed than wind sensors, pressure readings on the island are considered accurate; the lowest reading on the island was 948 mbar (hPa) at Andersen Air Force Base." I don't understand any of this, but if Paka qualifies, I'd like to see it added.Rhodesisland (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't qualify as to make it on to the list for the WPAC a storm has to have an official pressure of under 901 hPa (ie 900 899 etc) by the JMA who are the official monitoring agency for the WPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

and so what does the JMA rate Paka at? Where is this info? Just trying to learn more about it! Thanks!Rhodesisland (talk) 23:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The JMA reports that Paka had a peak pressure of 920hpa, Ref.Jason Rees (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Maps

A map showing the location of these cyclones would be a useful addition. 155.192.161.28 (talk) 18:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

SATL?

Should it be included? It's not a real basin. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

This boils down essentially to how we should cover the SHEM. IMO the best way to go would be to do it as a whole since the basin definitions have changed with time (eg: SWIO-Aus used to be 75/80E). However if we are doing it basin by basin then they should be included but we would need to set some ground rules - ie only named ones to go in and pressures have to be sourced back to a reliable source (eg:IBTRACS).Jason Rees (talk) 23:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

IDK, in the NIO that would preclude one of the most power cyclones. Keep in mind, the CPAC is lumped with the EPAC. The only consistency we have is that it's the strongest based on the individual cyclone season articles we have. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I generally meant that if we are doing it basin by basin that the SATL should be included subject to some ground rules - eg: only named ones to go in and pressures have to be sourced back to a reliable source (eg:IBTRACS).— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason Rees (talk • contribs)

Only Catarina is in IBTRACS though. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

This is one of those situations, we are dammed if we dont include them since we have reliable sources calling certain systems tropical storms (eg: 90Q + NASA) and if we do we have to face the fact that they might not be tropical storms.Jason Rees (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Strongest North Indian Cyclone

I was going through some of my weather books and came across a section talking about lowest barometric pressures by ocean region. For the Indian ocean a pressure of 26.30" (891 mbar) was recorded by the vessal S.S. Duke of York, in May of 1833, while in an eye of a cyclone. I had trouble locating more sources about this ship or the record on Google. Was woundering if this should be counted or atleast mentioned somewhere? Supportstorm (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

1-minute winds

Why should the 1-minute winds be within the tables for the WPAC/NIO, since they are totally unofficial and just confuses the reader further.Jason Rees (talk) 07:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Im still waiting for an explanation @NONOCHANG2013:, if no response is received i will revert the addition as they are unofficial, unsourced and just confuse the reader.Jason Rees (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

collage

Please add the new hurricane on the list as that hurricane is the strongest on record ever stronger than typhoon tip 65.175.243.206 (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)