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== Lead image proposal == |
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See [[Talk:List of presidents of the United States#Lead image proposal|this related discussion]], at the president's list page. Which would affect ''this'' page. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[File:1OC2003.jpg|thumb|One Observatory Circle, July 2001]]I like and support the idea of having the VPs residence as the lead image, same as having the White House as the lead image for List of POTUSs. That said, I don't think the current one is really the best one we have available. The snow, the odd angle, the proximity, the tents, make it... not good. Can I suggest this one instead? Cheers - [[User:Thewolfchild|<span style="color:black">w</span><span style="color: red;">o</span><span style="color:black">lf</span>]] 00:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Proposal for changes == |
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[[List of presidents of the United States]] has recently been promoted a FL. I'd like to incorporate many changes I made to that list to this one as well. This would include changing the table structure to avoid the repetition of name when the sortability feature is used. Those changes were broadly discussed at [[Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 16#Request for comments: table structure and the lead image]]. This will also include using/replacing sources with sources with better reliability. Let me know if anyone has any ideas/objections. – [[User:Kavyansh.Singh|Kavyansh.Singh]] ([[User talk:Kavyansh.Singh|talk]]) 12:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:The repetitions created by sorting is not so problematic in this article as to warrant an overhaul. The hidden sort keys throughout keep what would be the the table's biggest potential problem in check. This article does have an 'election column' issue, as neither Ford nor Rockefeller were elected in the 1972 election; this can easily be fixed. This list appears to me to have adequate inline citations from reliable sources, but if you have sources with better reliability go ahead and include them. Cheers. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::History.com is not considered a reliable source, and it would be best to minimize citations to whitehouse.gov for obvious reasons—so I do think there is definite room for reference improvements. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">[[User:Aza24|<span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span>]][[User talk:Aza24|<span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span>]]</span>''' 22:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::I was just thinking about the repetition thing, and even though it's been quite a while since this proposal was made I don't see anything wrong with it. To be honest I was very confused at first but they may just be me, and if it isn't...then I would personally consider it at least somewhat problematic for other people who may not know how to use Wikipedia very well. <span style="background:#2BA;border-radius:4px"> [[User:Phrogge |<span style="color:#0F9">phrogge</span>]] [[User talk:Phrogge|<span style="color:#9F9">'sup?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Phrogge|<span style="color:#AF2">edits</span>]]</span> 04:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Images being changed, without consensus == |
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See [[Talk:List of presidents of the United States#Image changes, without consensus|discussion]] concerning this matter, of image changes without consensus. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 02:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Vive Presidents that became president is missing Biden == |
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Your missing Joe Biden [[Special:Contributions/47.150.191.216|47.150.191.216]] ([[User talk:47.150.191.216|talk]]) 03:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:No we're not. The section you're reading is about vice presidents who ''succeeded'' to the presidency upon the death or resignation of the previous president. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 04:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== A column for Vice Presidents' ages when entering and leaving office? == |
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Joe Bidens, Mike Pences, and Kamala Harris' portraits are the cropped versions, we should probably have the full versions ([[User:Aricmfergie|Aricmfergie]] ([[User talk:Aricmfergie|talk]]) 16:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC) |
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I think we should add a column for this, the years are of course already there so you get a decent approximation but a column would allow one to sort the table easily. I don't know how to edit Wikipedia really (will look into it when i got time) but figured I'd make the suggestion nevertheless. P.D. John Cabell Breckinridge was the youngest, at 36, to James Buchanan in 1856. [[User:Emilia2307|Emilia2307]] ([[User talk:Emilia2307|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Why ''should'' we use the full versions? The cropped version photos are fine IMO. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 16:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::Because, it fits with other portraits on the page. those three are the only ones cropped in like that. ([[User:Aricmfergie|Aricmfergie]] ([[User talk:Aricmfergie|talk]]) 01:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC) |
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{{A note}} Such details are available at [[List of vice presidents of the United States by age]]. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 19:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== George H.W. Bush's picture == |
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== Self-link in the first sentence? == |
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Shouldn't H.W. Bush's picture be his official portrait as VP instead of his official portrait as president? |
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[[User:Lucafrehley|Lucafrehley]] ([[User talk:Lucafrehley|talk]]) 13:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC) |
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@[[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] Why should the first sentence of this article link to itself instead of the page on the Vice President as an office? [[User:HadesTTW|HadesTTW]] (he/him • [[User talk:HadesTTW|talk]]) 15:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Is this a list of vice presidents 'only' or not? == |
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:Until a couple days ago ''Vice presidents of the United States'' redirected to '''Vice President of the United States'''. I will reword the opening sentence. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 16:12, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Ah, I see. Thank you. [[User:HadesTTW|HadesTTW]] (he/him • [[User talk:HadesTTW|talk]]) 17:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[:Martin Van Buren]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]== |
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Should we be using ''presidential portraits'' in this article? Wouldn't it be more accurate to use 'only' ''vice presidential portraits'' for this article? unless there aren't any? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:Mr Gooday I know your point however their presidential portrait qualities are better,we can see it,I told you that serval vice presidents are using their presidential protrait e.g.LBJ, Gerald Ford and Harry Tuman. [[User:Him9|Him9]] ([[User talk:Him9|talk]]) 22:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::If possible, they all should be changed to their veep portraits. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC) |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Martin Van Buren]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:Martin Van Buren#Rfc for Martin Van Buren's Lede Image|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. [[User:Emiya1980|Emiya1980]] ([[User talk:Emiya1980|talk]]) 04:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC) |
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==RfC notice== |
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[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Talk:List of presidents of the United States#Request for comment: sortability, scope metadata, order|Talk:List of presidents of the United States § Request for comment: sortability, scope metadata, order]]. [[User:Tol|<span style="color:#f542d7">Tol</span>]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 20:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] --> [[User:Tol|<span style="color:#f542d7">Tol</span>]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 20:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Lead image proposal
See this related discussion, at the president's list page. Which would affect this page. GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- I like and support the idea of having the VPs residence as the lead image, same as having the White House as the lead image for List of POTUSs. That said, I don't think the current one is really the best one we have available. The snow, the odd angle, the proximity, the tents, make it... not good. Can I suggest this one instead? Cheers - wolf 00:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- You proposed image, is best. GoodDay (talk) 00:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Proposal for changes
List of presidents of the United States has recently been promoted a FL. I'd like to incorporate many changes I made to that list to this one as well. This would include changing the table structure to avoid the repetition of name when the sortability feature is used. Those changes were broadly discussed at Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 16#Request for comments: table structure and the lead image. This will also include using/replacing sources with sources with better reliability. Let me know if anyone has any ideas/objections. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- The repetitions created by sorting is not so problematic in this article as to warrant an overhaul. The hidden sort keys throughout keep what would be the the table's biggest potential problem in check. This article does have an 'election column' issue, as neither Ford nor Rockefeller were elected in the 1972 election; this can easily be fixed. This list appears to me to have adequate inline citations from reliable sources, but if you have sources with better reliability go ahead and include them. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- History.com is not considered a reliable source, and it would be best to minimize citations to whitehouse.gov for obvious reasons—so I do think there is definite room for reference improvements. Aza24 (talk) 22:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I was just thinking about the repetition thing, and even though it's been quite a while since this proposal was made I don't see anything wrong with it. To be honest I was very confused at first but they may just be me, and if it isn't...then I would personally consider it at least somewhat problematic for other people who may not know how to use Wikipedia very well. phrogge 'sup? edits 04:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Images being changed, without consensus
See discussion concerning this matter, of image changes without consensus. GoodDay (talk) 02:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Vive Presidents that became president is missing Biden
Your missing Joe Biden 47.150.191.216 (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- No we're not. The section you're reading is about vice presidents who succeeded to the presidency upon the death or resignation of the previous president. GoodDay (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
A column for Vice Presidents' ages when entering and leaving office?
I think we should add a column for this, the years are of course already there so you get a decent approximation but a column would allow one to sort the table easily. I don't know how to edit Wikipedia really (will look into it when i got time) but figured I'd make the suggestion nevertheless. P.D. John Cabell Breckinridge was the youngest, at 36, to James Buchanan in 1856. Emilia2307 (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Note: Such details are available at List of vice presidents of the United States by age. Drdpw (talk) 19:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Self-link in the first sentence?
@Drdpw Why should the first sentence of this article link to itself instead of the page on the Vice President as an office? HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Until a couple days ago Vice presidents of the United States redirected to Vice President of the United States. I will reword the opening sentence. Drdpw (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thank you. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 17:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Martin Van Buren has an RfC
Martin Van Buren has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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