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==Newspaper article==
== early life ==

This claims "From 1962 to 1980" he was batboy. He was born in 1962, so I dont think he was a batboy when he was 0 years old. Perhaps it was 1972? Anyway I cant check since its sourced from some documentary... someone should probably just remove the whole section. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.134.236.56|74.134.236.56]] ([[User talk:74.134.236.56|talk]]) 20:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Interesting, some sources say he was born in 1962 and some in 1963, can we double-check and confirm this? Sources also say he was a bat boy 3 years prior to him rapping, when he sold albums from the trunk of his car before getting a record deal from Capital Records. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 12:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:Already done, this can be archived as with others below that are "old". Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Look Look Look ==

I can't find this album anywhere other than wikipedia, I'm pretty sure it's fake. [[User:Lalala666|Lalala666]] 00:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources to confirm that this is a real album, among the sites are VH1, IMDb, Hammer's personal site, MTV, TVGuide, various music download/album sites, and others. It should be noted, that Look, Look, Look is also known as Look 3X or Look 3x. Links to these sites can be confirm if necessary. Hope this helps. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 11:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:Already done, topic can be removed. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

This article needs a serious copyedit, a less fannish style and some NPOV help. Goes on and on about how "important" he is&mdash;even the house he lived in at the peak of his fame is described as "world famous." --[[User:Szyslak|Szyslak]] 08:50, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Have had a stab at cleaning it up, I'll leave it to others to decide if what I've done is enough. [[User:Dan100|Dan100]] 23:50, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

This dude could breakdance like no other. --[[User:Cyberman|Cyberman]] 1 July 2005 09:02 (UTC)

He didn't actually break-dance exactly. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.114.42.45|68.114.42.45]] ([[User talk:68.114.42.45|talk]]) 19:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

B grade site in wikipedia...just not good enough, its a PAGE ABOUT MC HAMMER we are talking about here, not a page about david letterman, this page needs to have more information and it must look clean. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.49.163.42|122.49.163.42]] ([[User talk:122.49.163.42|talk]]) 10:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It's interesting how admin attacks some people for unnecessary info and bans or blocks those that put "fan type facts" or make personal comments even in the talk page such as the personal comment about him being a good dancer, but allow others to do it without warning. I'm not attacking anyone, it's just that some have power-tripped and harassed some individuals as if to play favorites, and allow others to write as they wish. I think that the information for the most part gives details about his life fairly, but more than just being "fan-related", it's more bias I think. There is a tone that people either build him up and defend him or tear him down and rebuke him. To say there are "haters" out there would be a soap-dish comment but in all fairness, there are reliable sources to confirm the good and bad qualities of his life and achievements. Unfortunately, this is not a blog forum for comments about our opinion or approval/disapproval. For all of those who have contributed appropriately, thank you! There is so much "proof" out there about his life, so I hope we all check those first before writing hear-say. If nothing else, we can personally write, email or call him these days to find out the real scoop! (smile) [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 11:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:Can remove this topic, resolved. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

===Newspaper article===
I've removed the clean-up tag that has, since January 2011, noted that it reads like a newspaper article. There have been several improvements since then. If you feel there are some spots that are still too much like a newspaper rather than an encyclopedia, please leave a note here. Be specific. [[User:Folklore1|Folklore1]] ([[User talk:Folklore1|talk]]) 03:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the clean-up tag that has, since January 2011, noted that it reads like a newspaper article. There have been several improvements since then. If you feel there are some spots that are still too much like a newspaper rather than an encyclopedia, please leave a note here. Be specific. [[User:Folklore1|Folklore1]] ([[User talk:Folklore1|talk]]) 03:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

== Someone needs to lock this ==
And put up a template saying "Stop! Hammer time!"--[[User:59.121.205.61|59.121.205.61]] 08:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

:Already done. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Is it true this guy built a revolving house to live in? ==

It would certainly explain why the house he lived in was "world famous".

:Unknown/unsourced. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Can we get some documentation on his Naval career? ==
?

There is brief information about this already in the article. During his popularity, there were more detailed interviews conducted about this (ie. by Maria Shriver), but I'd have to do some research to confirm if there is anything online regarding it. He did form a gospel rap group before his fame and acquired M.C. from being Master of Ceremonies in the Navy. Hammer came from being a batboy and resembling Hammering Hank Aaron. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 12:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:This is already done. Can be removed or archived. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Hammertime]] redirects here ==

Its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hammertime|AFD debate]] did not have consensus, so I made the editorial decision to merge and redirect here.
ser:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] | [[User talk:Johnleemk|Talk]] 13:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Hammertime now goes to the article about the show and "pop culture" phrase. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hammer Blog ==
I noticed that Hammer's blog, [http://mchammer.blogspot.com/ Look Look Look], links to this page. This means that he (MC Hammer) more than like monitors this page. It might be a good idea if some one who is a little tech savy could keep an eye out for annonymous user contributions. --[[User:130.184.11.129|130.184.11.129]] 19:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, as you suspected, the unflattering bits about him being a one-hit-wonder and his expensive house and bankrupcy were deleted by 67.187.196.195 on Feburary 22, and, after someone reverted those changes, they were deleted once again by 72.254.178.4 on Feburary 23. On Feburary 24, 72.254.130.83 deleted another reference to his fall from fame and a Nelly song mocking him. This is just before his blog went live. I've reverted some of the changes, in a hopefully more diplomatic and acceptable manner. Let's hope this doesn't turn into an edit war. [[User:67.169.19.135|67.169.19.135]] 11:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:This is not a current discussion topic and can be removed or archived. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== is there a word for what's going on with this article? ==

man, this is a horribly POV article. not even one word about his bankruptcy or his becoming a joke in the business. there is definitly an anonymous troll URL who takes anything unflattering out. this is a serious breech of wikipedia's reputation. can someone reedit this article to make it, you know, factual?

20:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

:Could you please add sources for the info above. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 06:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


i found the word i was looking for... POV-pushing. as for your question, is common knowledge not a good enough source? what exactly are you disputing with your dispute tag? the bankruptcy? the punchline? please let us know what you have a problem with.

[[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 17:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Common knowledge isn't really good enough I'm afraid, it's only common knowledge for a short while and we are building an encylopedia that will last. Personally I'm not disputing anything but others are hence my adding the disputed tag See the conversation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#inappropriate_Behavior_by_Postdlf.3F here]. I was sloppy and a bit rude of me not to post that link here this morning when i added the disputed tag. I was in a hurry, (had to go to work) sorry about that. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 18:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

i've added lots of sources about his decline and bankruptcy, also nelly's reference to him. anything else that needs to be cited? can we take the disputed tag off?

[[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 19:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:This section/info has already been addressed. The above entry can be removed or archived as it is old/dated (not a current topic). It's also discussed in more detail below in another discussion about him being (or not being) a "joke" &/or "failure". Not necessary, and already expanded on within the article about his bankruptcy. Time to move on. (smile) Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== finley ==

According to an ESPN interview with Ricky Henderson, while Hammer did work for finley, it was as an "Executive General Manager", not honorary vice president, and his job was handing out per-diem, tracking attendance, etc. But according to imdb 's hammer movie listing, he was merely a batboy. It's known he was at least a batboy for sure, and it's probable that he held an honorary title. But I've yet to find a single source stating he was a spy for finley. Furthermore, the particular section should be moved into it's own sentence, or rewritten somehow to be a less jarring contrast. (link to ESPN article [http://espn.go.com/page2/s/questions/rhenderson.html])

Link stating he was a batboy [http://www.baseball-fever.com/archive/index.php/t-14247.html]

Also [http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/games/quiz/quiz_2002oct.htm] from the baseball hall of fame calling him a "gopher", [http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/story/12-11-2001/0001631801] PR release for the Hammer movie, stating he was a batboy only. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]] [[Special:Contributions/Swatjester|<small><sup>Ready</sup></small>]] [[RSTA|<small>Aim</small>]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Armed_Forces|<small><sub>Fire!</sub></small>]] 20:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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Here's a link to a Dec. 1990 Ebony Magazine article detailing many facts of MC Hammers life up until 1990. It mentions how MC Hammer got his nickname, his relationship with the Oakland A's, including how Bust It Productions was started with two $20,000 loans from two Oakland A's players. It has more details on his early life than this Wikipedia article. [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n2_v46/ai_9177118]

:This has already been addressed/resolved. Clarified with source about him not techinically being a bat boy, but was the only thing to really call what he did. He was mostly in the press box assisting not on the field fetching balls. His brother did that. Info added in Early Life section since/after the above edits regarding the other issues mentioned as well. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== famous failure ==

i realize that this might not be the most opportune time to bring this up, what with the minor editing war we've got, but i must complain about the current opening sentence stating that he is known for parachute pants and "catchy hooks."

i'd say that above anything else, he is known as a famously losing all his money. this has even been mocked by [[The Simpsons]] (the behind the laughter episode, [http://www.snpp.com/episodes/BABF19] where the simpson's rise to fame is mirrored by hammer's real life. they even buy hammer's old house at one point only to have it reposessed later.) and other shows, such as [[Clone High]]. ("Why, I watched the first two-thirds of the M.C. Hammer 'Behind the Music', and if there's one thing I've learned about money, it's that it never runs out.")

you never hear mc hammer currently mentioned in popular culture as a guy with "catchy hooks." you almost always hear about him as a famous person who went through bankrupcy.

any thoughts?

[[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 20:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:'''CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!''' I'd written a whole freakin' reply to this message, and then I had to test all the links to make sure they went to the right place, and when I opened one in another tab, I accidentally closed the wrong tab '''''AND LOST THE WHOLE THING!!!'''''

:All right, let me try to write invaluable crap so if I mess up again it won't matter. Long story short, I hate ''The Simpsons'', ''The Fairly OddParents'' and any other messed up "comedy" cartoon that brainwashed America, got the <strike>terrorists</strike> cartoonists who made it rich and famous and gave them the right to make fun of everything half decent in our society. So what if some dips remember MC Hammer as a famous failure? A bunch of people remember him as an asset to hip-hop and a lot of today's rappers were actually influenced by him. He was a nice guy (and still is), he wrote quirky songs/raps that had nothing to do with thugs or sex or any of that crap, and he rocked (and still does). This article just needs to be rewritten to reflect both ideas people have. '''[[User:Darth Katana X|Darth Katana X]]'''

::Personally i love the simpsons, I find pisstaking funny and don't consider myself at all a dip. Never the less I agree that he is known for his baggy pants and possibly catchy hooks. Maybe the best thing to do is simply remove the sentence altogether? (unless someone can come up with a wording that includes both reasons for fame) [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 12:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


Can we then say he is known for his influence on hip hop, and his trademark parachute pants? Possibly even add something like "his meteoric rise and fall from fame"? Ah that last one sucks but you know what I mean. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]] [[Special:Contributions/Swatjester|<small><sup>Ready</sup></small>]] [[RSTA|<small>Aim</small>]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Armed_Forces|<small><sub>Fire!</sub></small>]] 12:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

::no, no, no! it doesn't suck that bad. i'd personally change the word "meteoric" but being known "for his <insert adjective> rise and fall from fame" would be fine. any takers? [[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 17:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I reckon if you get the meaning right it's ok if the english sucks - someone will always come along and fix poor wording.And anyway it doesn't particulaly suck. Personally I like dramatic over meteoric. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 01:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

::::I've just been fiending for using the word meteoric in a sentence lately, but dramatic works just as well, I'm not picky. So "...known for his dramatic rise and fall from fame, leaving a lasting influence on [[hip hop]], and his trademark [[parachute pants]]? [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]] [[Special:Contributions/Swatjester|<small><sup>Ready</sup></small>]] [[RSTA|<small>Aim</small>]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Armed_Forces|<small><sub>Fire!</sub></small>]] 01:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

i made the changes. let me know if there are any objections
[[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 18:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

"Famous Faliure" hs very much against "NPOV". In fact, it is hard to claim that anybody with the success Hammer has had as a "failure". By the same token, you could say that Elvis and Salvador Dali were "Failures", because nothing they did later in life measured up to the success they had early on. His career may have ended, but he was highly successful during the peak of his career. Most people are considered to have successfull careers, and never get half the fame and fortune that Hammer did. [[User:Mushrom|Mushrom]] 05:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Great point, Mushrom! Others haven't done what he was able to do, but since he couldn't accomplish the same success he peaked at with Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em, he was considered a failure in media, yet famous for his success. His failure may have been bankruptcy, but what most people don't realize is that only meant he didn't have to pay bills he owed. It didn't mean he was poor or broke. He is far from, and has been far from, broke. He always maintained a good lifestyle, just not as much as he earned from his first three-four consecutive albums that were successful. I mean, if going from 18 million records sold to only like 7 million is a famous failure, then who sets the bar? If he was an average person, we wouldn't be talking about his bankruptcy. Even Michael Jackson didn't sell as well as Thriller did with his later albums, but they were still very successful. And Hammer isn't the first or last artist to file bankruptcy. I think you'd be surprised to know so many others who weren't as highly publicized, since few had the super-stardom that Hammer had so quickly. This is all sourced and even discuss in an interview (ie. see Youtube) during Arsenio Hall, Oprah and Behind the Music (VH1) interviews. There are also transcripted interviews provided within this article as sources from the web where Hammer explains the matter too. You can't believe everything you read or hear, so get it straight from the person's "mouth". His bankruptcy and status of how his records performed is already mentioned within the article, and having a section about being a famous failure is not warranted nor correct ever. Thanks... P.S. Some of remarks made about Hammer are opinions or rumors and are not exactly accurate. Speculation based on public jokes that Hammer is broke and "lost all of his money" is not necessarily truth. In terms of his original success compared to now (which all people may experience in life), the point is already made clear within the article about his "rapid rise and fall" or "rags to riches to rags to middle-class?" since/after the above edits have been made. It's all a matter of perception. In response to one remark, Hammer has been well-known for his "catchy songs/lyrics" and dancing/entertaining abilities too still to this day. Not everything out there is negative. In his eyes or the hearts of his loved ones, he is successful whether it's with his acting career, ministry or internet business(es). I think it's safe to say, after 15 years, it's time for some people to find a new "punching bag" to beat on. Ever heard of "that was so funny I forgot to laugh" or "that's an old joke"? Him being broke or a failure is not even "funny" or current anymore, nor do I believe it ever was. Cheap laughs. How many records have you sold? (smile) [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 14:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== a hammer by any other name... ==

should we decide on one name to refer to him consistently throughout the article? we call him hammer, mc hammer, and even burrell. i looked at the [[Sean Combs|Diddy]] article (as he is another hip hop artist who has changed his name a lot), and they call him "Combs" fairly consistently. not sure if this has any revelence here, as many people have heard the name "Sean Combs," but i'd bet you'd be pressed to find someone who knows mc hammer's real name.

any thoughts?

[[User:Sparsefarce|Sparsefarce]] 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sean Puffy Combs' name is well known, mostly because of his legal troubles. I am sure that if you ask most people, they will recognize Sean Combs and his various names as being one and the same person. However, almost nobody knows that MC Hammer's real name is Stanley Burrell. It should probably be listed as "Hammer" in the article though, since that is the name he is most widely known by. [[User:Mushrom|Mushrom]] 15:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fans, friends and family know he's Burrell, especially the die-hard fans who learned about him in his heyday, but he has always publicly gone by M.C. Hammer or just Hammer. His brother "Too Big" who used to hang with him as his "side-kick" in the early days was also known as a Burrell. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 12:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

: For the most part, when he is mentioned "pre-M.C. Hammer/Hammer", the name Burrell is used. He is referred to as M.C. Hammer after he began using that name within the article, or Hammer when he dropped the M.C. for awhile. When talking about some legal issues or ministry, he may also be known as Burrell if before his mainstream secular career (ie. pre-Holy Ghost Boy days). Not that it's consistant, but within the article it's mixed up a bit with a combination of all three. Nicknames such as "King Hammer" or "Hammertime" are not used to refer to him about something. I went through and tried to ensure he is Burrell and Hammer for the most part. M.C. Hammer/Hammer are basically the same and don't feel it necessary to add M.C. everytime Hammer is mentioned. Depends on the topic or portion of the section/paragraph it's used I suppose. But within the context of the topic, it could be Burrell (ie. during military, school, early life portions) or M.C. Hammer (during all but about two of his albums) &/or Hammer (ie. during 2 Legit 2 Quit and Funky Headhunter albums, etc.)! Hope this helps, thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== parachute pants... ==

parachute pants were popular during the 80's and hammer's was a style of it's own, the term for his pants is UFO pants, someone should fix this... <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.188.54.173|68.188.54.173]] ([[User talk:68.188.54.173|talk]]) 04:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Prove it. ♣ [[User:Klptyzm|<font color="blue">'''Klptyzm'''</font>]] <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Klptyzm|Chat wit' me]]</font> '''§''' <font color="FF1234">[[Special:Contributions/Klptyzm|Contributions]]</font></sup> ♣ 06:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

::This is correct and they are technically not the same (but similar and therefore given that "generic" name). Rather than telling someone to "prove it", please provide a source for this claim first. Thank you... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== His supposed hire of hitmen... ==
Is it true that he put a hit out on someone in the past for talking about his mother in a song? I don't ask this for personal gain, but rather to discover if it's, for one, true, and also if it is notable enough for article integration. ♣ [[User:Klptyzm|<font color="blue">'''Klptyzm'''</font>]] <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Klptyzm|Chat wit' me]]</font> '''§''' <font color="FF1234">[[Special:Contributions/Klptyzm|Contributions]]</font></sup> ♣ 06:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I heard about this, also that Hammer is a hard-ass & not to be messed with. When he was rolling with Death Row he was quite feared. But that isn't gospel.

:Can it be proven? ♣ [[User:Klptyzm|<font color="blue">'''Klptyzm'''</font>]] <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Klptyzm|Chat wit' me]]</font> '''§''' <font color="FF1234">[[Special:Contributions/Klptyzm|Contributions]]</font></sup> ♣ 02:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Only in his lyrics and/or interviews as far as I know. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 12:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:There is a source I came across recently (with a video interview of Hammer addressing it) claiming a supposed "hit out" made 20 years ago on members of 3rd Base for dissing him on record. Perhaps another time I will add that info to the article, but not aware if there's anything about it regarding his mother Betty. It may have been hear-say or a personal beef locally that never amounted to mass public awareness too. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Internets Phenomenon ==

I added an image I found to prove that STOP - Hammer Time may well be, in fact, an internet phenomenon. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:GHOSTS!|GHOSTS!]] ([[User talk:GHOSTS!|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GHOSTS!|contribs]]) 01:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
http://www.xkcd.com/108/
http://tasty.soylentsoft.com/images/halt_hammerzeit.jpeg <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.217.37.168|88.217.37.168]] ([[User talk:88.217.37.168|talk]]) 21:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Late life section ==

The late life section sounds kind of PoV, the way it's worded, especially describing his spending, which I don't understand why that's important.. puts him in a very negative light, whether or not his spending was stupid or not, words like frivolous seem a bit PoV'd here.. but I don't know that much about MC Hammer, so I don't feel I'm justified to edit it.

p.s. the discography // biography doesn't mention Bring Our Brothers Home, where would that fit in?

That (great) song was released as a single video after Look 3x. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 12:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:This has already been added/sourced/mentioned within article. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== MC Hammer Movie? ==

I think that their was a Made for TV Movie on the life of MC Hammer. Does anyone remember the name?


MC Hammer was in a movie by himself about himself called "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em: The Movie" and "M.C. Hammer: Hammer Time!" (1990). It showcased his celebrity life while returning to Oakland for a visit. Many clips from the movie were in his videos, including music/dancing. I think the movie you are talking about though is a VH1 movie called "Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story" (2001). However, this brings up a really good point. There are movies that Hammer has acted in or made cameos in that are not mentioned in the article. He could easily be considered an actor among the other things listed with this article. While he may not have had the career in that area that others have, he was the epitome of rappers today. Dissed about it at the time for all he was accomplishing, now many actors/singers try to do all those things he did (ie. clothing, acting, commercials, using hooks from other songs to remake new rap songs, etc.) which could all be mentioned under his legacy section. What many people say about him being a sell-out or going "gangsta" was merely him changing with the times as many others do. However, he was credibly from the "hood" and was also friends with 2pac and Snoop Dog, Suge, etc. For us that remember when he was on t.v. all the time and news stories done about him in his heyday, could easily attest to this. Truth be told, if you listen to his early work from the 80s, he was dissing other rappers (ie. Run DMC) which lead to his most popular album to-date "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em". The reason for that "softer" record (although some songs on it were also street-related prior to the new sound of rap emerging) was to show he could embrace everyone and not just claim he was the best MC since he had openly attacked rappers in previous projects. The timing was just perfect for him in those days. Song for song, you could gather this just from the lyrics in his catalog. Nonetheless, the point here is that via link I added below, more information about him acting, listing his movie-related career whether with him acting in them or being about him, should be included. It should also have more of a bias tone and truly express his intentions in the genre and not what media and uneducated fans say about his music, style and purpose. For additional proof, the inserts (bios) in his albums usually tell the true story and I have them all. (smile) I am willing to make these changes on the site from time-to-time if no one else does. Regarding his movies, shows, and soundtracks he was apart of, IMDb and/or [http://www.fandango.com/mchammer/filmography/p30023] [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358479/] are good sources. [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 11:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Falco Sampling? ==
"Rick James' 'Super Freak' was the basis for 'U Can't Touch This', the song also uses samples of 'Der Komissar' by Austrian singer Falco. (Producer Felton Pilate, however, denies any samples from Falco)"

: Could we get a source for the claim that the song samples Falco's "Der Komissar"? I've listened to boths songs, and am very familiar with Falco's music...there's no way that MC Hammer samples anything by Falco. [[User:66.210.33.200|66.210.33.200]] 06:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC) [[Vince]]

== Who cares? ==

Who cares how Hammer squandered 20 million dollars? is not that fact enough. What idiot had to list every item he spent it on? This seems like more of a personal insult than a nuetral article. That whole section should be removed and condensed into a small paragraph summarizing the fact. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.226.0.227|70.226.0.227]] ([[User talk:70.226.0.227|talk]]) 15:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I agree. MC Hammer is famous for being a rap/hip-hop artist. This is what the article should be about. What happens to a famous person's finances should be their own affair. If it's been widely reported then fine, mention should be made - but not in the opening paragraph. And there's certainly no need to mention his wife and kids there either. I don't believe this article is as high as "B" class - no way.--[[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

::I actually came to this article to get specifics on how and why he lost his money, so obviously your childish "who cares" preemptive response is useless and unnecessary. Anyone with a modicum of common sense can say that his finance IS an important aspect of his history and SHOULD be included in this article which is at this point totally underwhelming and uninformative. It barely makes mention of it. More information is provided as to the origins of his several nicknames for crying out loud! In summary, fix this ridiculously lacking article and include more info about his famous bankruptcy! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.196.166.184|24.196.166.184]] ([[User talk:24.196.166.184|talk]]) 18:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Hammer isn't the only nor the first artist to file bankruptcy. Ie. TLC, Billy Joel and many others. Do the articles about them do the same thing? No. In fact, because we are in the generation that he was famous in, we list allot more info than necessary because it's still "fresh" or noteworthy. Just like the article about Sara Palin, some articles tend to itemize every little detail. But you look at people who are dead from years or generations ago, and because the Internet wasn't around then but just as much news and unlimited facts were interesting, important or news-related then (some of which is too much information) is not listed or available. So I agree, this is not something that has to be a focus in the article. People just like to kick a man when he's down and it's really juvenile. I also notice how admin will target people who leave comments and if they don't approve of it, they label it as a violation and ban or block them. If they would take a neutral view, as they're supposed to, about all article such as this (and I'm not accusing everyone), then in all fairness some things should not be acceptable whether in the article or on this talk page. Thank you! [[User:2legit2quit2|2legit2quit2]] ([[User talk:2legit2quit2|talk]]) 11:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dancing Photo ==

Any chance someone can add a photo showing Hammer dancing, past or present? Either from a video clip or article? I have a couple of ideas, but thought I'd make the suggestion first. In the "dancing section" would be nice, thanks. [[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 19:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


== Neutrality of dancing section ==

The Dancing section is embarrassingly sycophantic. --[[User:Doradus|Doradus]] ([[User talk:P3d0|talk]]) 04:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

No further disputes about it, so the dispute box can be removed. [[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 14:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

:Already done. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oaktown Stable: ==

Regarding the edit made, this information was still kept but the title of the section was removed (not the content). The edit description may be misleading, but the text was left under the category of "Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur". The entire section had been called "Oaktown Stable" which did not coincide with the rest of the article text for that section. Again, only the title was omitted/changed/removed, not the actual text about the subject. This is a "FYI" only, should the edit made not be clear and someone doesn't take the time to actually see that the text was left in the article, but not the name of the section. [[User:Jon the editor|Jon the editor]] ([[User talk:Jon the editor|talk]]) 01:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== The "tone" of this section is not neutral/needed (removal or correction requested): ==

[edit] Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur
Due to the success of the Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em album, Hammer had amassed approximately USD$33 million.

$12 million of this total was used to have his home built in Fremont, California, 30 miles (50 km) south of where he grew up. Among the documented features this house had included:

Recording studio
33 seat theater with stadium seating
2 swimming pools (one indoor/one outdoor)
Tennis courts and a baseball diamond
Waterfalls, ponds, and aquariums
Mirrored Bathroom (at least $75,000 (£35,000) in mirrors throughout the house)
$2 Million of Italian marble floors and a floor-to-ceiling gray marble office with customized marble niches for awards.
Marble countertops in the kitchen (the house was heavily decorated in marble)
A stop sign with "Hammertime!" engraved in to it, in reference to the song that made him famous
Massive gold and black marble jacuzzi in the master bedroom
Basketball courts
Bowling alley
Gold plated Hammertime underpants
17 car garage
Two gold-plated “Hammertime” gates for entrance to the property
A dishwasher installed in his master bedroom for the purpose of "cleaning up after a midnight snack" (as told in the VH1 movie about his life, entitled Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story).
Many of these amenities did little to improve the value of the home.

After the purchase of the home, it left approximately $20 million, the money that was supposedly squandered. After the home, his money went into other things (much described as frivolous):

A fleet of 17 automobiles, including a Lamborghini, a stretch limousine, a Range Rover, and a De Lorean.
Two helicopters.
1976 Refurbished "Hoopty Ride"
Investments up to $1 million in Thoroughbred racehorses.
Careless spending on high-priced items like antique golf clubs, Etruscan sculpture, and gold chains for his 4 pet rottweilers.
Extravagant parties financed by Hammer himself.
The huge entourage of over 300 people, most of whom were on his payroll, for total monthly wages of $500,000.
Leased Boeing 727.

[[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 12:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

:May amend/reduce this section and incorporate it back in if it's done in a way to improve the article with a point, not just random listing of items/trivia. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Great job! ==

Thanks for the help evolving/expanding this article! [[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 01:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


== DanceJam ==
== DanceJam ==

Is anyone willing to create an article linked from this article for Dance Jam? If anyone is creating a page before I do, please advise. Thanks! (re: Hammer's dancejam.com website.) [[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 05:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Is anyone willing to create an article linked from this article for Dance Jam? If anyone is creating a page before I do, please advise. Thanks! (re: Hammer's dancejam.com website.) [[Special:Contributions/69.129.170.102|69.129.170.102]] ([[User talk:69.129.170.102|talk]]) 05:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
: Dancejam.com is no longer in use and was sold. It is now mentioned within the article with sources. Probably no use creating an article for it now. [[Special:Contributions/64.134.27.229|64.134.27.229]] ([[User talk:64.134.27.229|talk]]) 13:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
: Dancejam.com is no longer in use and was sold. It is now mentioned within the article with sources. Probably no use creating an article for it now. [[Special:Contributions/64.134.27.229|64.134.27.229]] ([[User talk:64.134.27.229|talk]]) 13:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

==It's all good==
Hammer's song on The Funky Head Hunter entitled "It's All Good" was not "..the first and most successful.. " song by that name.
In 1993 Suga-T released an album and a song both with the title "It's All Good" whicch pre-dates Hammer's effort by at least 8 months. I'd submitted a change and apparently someone is more interested in keeping the lie up there than the truth. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.81.142.156|64.81.142.156]] ([[User talk:64.81.142.156|talk]]) 03:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

His track IS the first most successful one, hands down. This has been and can be sourced. "It's all good" also became a pop cultural phrase as a result of it's/his commercial success (regardless of where or who it originated from). They both came out the same year (within a short period of time between them) and Suga-T's track (as well as other tracks by artists with the same song title) are mentioned within the article for "It's All Good" with sources provided. Doesn't appear to be a "lie". Hope this clears it up, thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

==Early Life Bullshunk==
The Early Life section reads like an Oprah Winfrey voice-over. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CarmenAutre|CarmenAutre]] ([[User talk:CarmenAutre|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CarmenAutre|contribs]]) 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Some changes have been made since your edit. It could perhaps use some further clean up, but overall it is factual, sourced and detailed. If by "Oprah voice-over" you mean professional or editorial, then that's a good thing! (smile) Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 12:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Removed unsourced material ==

I removed the following content from the article as unsourced:

: In 1992, Hammer admitted in [[Deposition (law)|depositions]] and court documents to getting the idea for the song ''Here Comes The Hammer'' from a [[Contemporary Christian music|Christian recording artist]] in [[Dallas, Texas]] named Kevin Christian (formerly "Kevin" Muhammad Abdallah). Christian had filed a 16 million dollar [[lawsuit]] against Hammer for [[copyright infringement]] for his song entitled "Oh-Oh, You Got The Shing". This fact compounded with witness testimony from both Hammer's and Christian's entourages and other evidence including photos brought about a settlement with [[Capitol Records]] in 1994. The terms of the settlement remain sealed. Hammer settled with Christian the following year.

Having searched the archives, it seems it was originally sourced to [http://www.dallasobserver.com/1998-02-26/news/hammered]; however, that article doesn't entirely match up with the text (and seems more than a little opinionated and speculative), so I'm not putting it back; if anyone wants to go for a version more justified by the sources, feel free.... [[User:TSP|TSP]] (not signed in) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/129.234.252.66|129.234.252.66]] ([[User talk:129.234.252.66|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:This has been sourced/fixed/moved and added to since/after this edit was made. Resolved, thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 12:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Oaktown Records ==
The name of Hammer's record company was Bust It Records which was a joint venture with Capital Records. Resulting from Hammer's initial company "Bust It Management/Productions, it was formed in October 1991. Bust It Management/Productions became Bust It Management which handled the careers of the artists on Bust It Records like B Angie B, Special Generation, One Cause One Effect, Ho Frat Ho, etc., along with MCA Records rap star Heavy D. Bust It Records closed exactly one year later due to financial reasons. I worked for MC Hammer from October 1990 to October 1992, first as General Manager of Bust It Production/Management (where I created and oversaw the administrative and operations branches of Hammer's corporations), Vice President of Bust It Management and finally Vice President of Bust Records in its final months. At the request of Capital Records executive Art Yaeger, I prepared the business plan, job descriptions, and financial budgets for the newly formed Bust It Records in the summer of 1991. There was no company called "Oaktown Records" while I was at Bust It nor had I ever heard of one.

This is just one of numerous entries here which is not wholly accurate.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:OhMyGoddess|OhMyGoddess]] ([[User talk:OhMyGoddess|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OhMyGoddess|contribs]]) 20:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Interesting, could you provide a [[WP:V|verifiable]] and [[WP:RS|reliable source]]? Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The person who made this original entry/statement above (unsigned by OhMyGoddess) may or may not be Linda Lou McCall who was mentioned in the article. I removed "Oaktown Records" from the Intro since it claimed "throughout his career" and it wasn't sourced, and because other cites state it's Oaktown 3.5.7 Records (as was the name of his female group). He has had his own labels, including Bust It, as you mentioned. But I left "Oaktown Records" in the ''Family Affair'' sections because I'm one of few people who own a copy of that album (haha) and it does say Oaktown Records on it (as I've also seen on music/auction sites selling the record). So this could be after you were apart of his staff or weren't advised of it, with all due respect, if in fact you were who you say you are (since there is no way to validate this based on your edit). If disputed further by anyone, please leave a response. But it won't/shouldn't be removed from the sidebar since at one point it was a record lable he owned. There could be confusion with him abbreviating his group or the city he's from with "Oaktown" possibly too. Not sure, but thanks for the input. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 15:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Also, as with other M.C.'s (M.C. Brains, M.C. Lyte, M.C. Escher, etc.) and his album covers (as well as search results), he is "M.C.", so I tried to change all the MC's I could find with periods.

== From Tanya Henderson ==

Hello McHammer,

I have neices and nephews that can dance just like you.
I know times may be hard now but why give up? You were and always will be one of the best dancers known to mankind. Please I am begging you to get started again and give the young people of today something positive to strive for. If you should get this message, please understand I am 40 yrs old and my favorite video is Too Legit Too Quit, it not only motivates me to work out and try to do your moves but my neices and nephews think they can copy your video down pact. Ant I tell them only the Hammer can and they say well try us.

Sincerely,

Tanya Henderson
A.K.A. TINKER

P.S. Still watching you on UTUBE and still Loving all your dance moves, just please give us a chance, talk about a great comeback.
Do you know how many young children look up to you? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.201.50.38|71.201.50.38]] ([[User talk:71.201.50.38|talk]]) 06:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Try Hammer's personal social sites to contact him, since this isn't his personal account/article/blog (not that he wouldn't be able to read it still). Good luck, thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 12:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Bankruptcy ==

The section is too small for what was a significant part of his career. We need to expand it somehow. -[[User:RomeW|RomeW]] ([[User talk:RomeW|talk]]) 07:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Has been expanded and created as a section of it's own since the above edit was made. Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 12:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Christian section really needed? ==

I see no reason not to combine that section with the rest of the article.it seems out of place. "Strayed from his faith?" What does that mean? Anyone who knows what he's put out can note the obvious religious influence in all his work, but seriously? So what if's he's a religious guy? [[Special:Contributions/64.234.0.101|64.234.0.101]] ([[User talk:64.234.0.101|talk]]) 04:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Some statements about his religious influence are incorporated within other sections of the article, but since his career and activities affected his faith in an extreme way and was apart of his music as well as him becoming an ordained preacher, it's warranted. It's all sourced and had a valid impact on his early life as well as career in music, ministry, etc. As with anyone who does gospel music (or variations of it) and is involved in ministry, it's reasonable to include it as a part of the article since it was a major part of his life and who he was. In his own words, as you can read within the article in other sections, it was his faith that led to his success but also caused him to "backslide" (stray from his faith) resulting in what possibly led to his downfall and eventual decision to go full-time in ministry (although currently he isn't only/just a preacher). When you take the history of his whole life in context, his Christian values was apart of the "big picture". Perhaps we can agree to disagree? (smile) Thanks for the input nonetheless... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 13:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== MC vs M.C. ==

Both versions are currently being used on this page. As well both ways have been used throughout his time as MC Hammer. Although after referencing his official page you can see that he does not include the punctuation. So I am now going to attempt to unify the page by removing the punctuations. If anyone thinks that the other way should be, please voice your opinion here. [[User:Csloomis|<font color="Green">'''CSLoomis'''</font>]] ( [[User talk:Csloomis|<font color="Orange">talk</font>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Csloomis|<font color="Orange">contribs</font>]] ) 05:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

:I already made this edit above about the matter and explained it on my previous edit notes: ''P.S. Also, as with other M.C.'s (M.C. Brains, M.C. Lyte, M.C. Escher, etc.) and his album covers (as well as search results), he is "M.C.", so I tried to change all the MC's I could find with periods.''

:In my opinion, the web tends to put MC without punctuation, but that doesn't make it correct. I had changed them all and realized I missed one which must be why you decided to change them all back. I don't want an edit war, so before I undid your edit, I wanted to add this and discuss. It should be a no brainer because if you look at his albums (see articles with photos as well as services on the web selling his albums) they have periods on them. Regardless if he uses it now or doesn't (sometimes you can't put periods on certain user names on social sites), M.C. is a safe choice. It is also an abbreviation of Master of Ceremony, and grammatically that would include periods. I figured someone just put "MC" out of laziness but I could be wrong. I spent a lot of time changing them all and don't see why it matters if they are present when he technically is M.C. Some use "MC" as a shorter way to say emcee. In this case, MC isn't initials for the single word emcee. But with Master of Ceremonies, it would be M.C. Later in the article, it explains while he was in ministry that it meant "Man of Christ". You can't go wrong leaving periods either way so this doesn't become a petty issue over [[semantics]]. If this works for you and others, then I can change it back. I've done a lot of research on this artist and have done a majority of the article, so I know a little bit about it related to the rapper and not just the correct way to "write" it. I'm not concerned with being right, I'm concerned with being accurate. I realize that the album articles need updating, but I started with this one. Check out his early albums where he originated the M.C., MC isn't correct. Hope this helps. Thanks and happy new year! [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 06:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

::I definitely understand where you are coming from. The main reason I changed them is that both were being used in the article. So to make them the same I removed the periods. His albums use both versions. But your reasoning seems sound. So I will change them all to have periods, so you don't have to. [[User:Csloomis|<font color="Green">'''CSLoomis'''</font>]] ( [[User talk:Csloomis|<font color="Orange">talk</font>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Csloomis|<font color="Orange">contribs</font>]] ) 06:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

They were all changed, by me, except that one I found that I must have missed. The one that wasn't was the main article title. Both HAD been used, but weren't once I fixed them. If you can change the main article title/name to M.C., that would also be great while you're undoing the others. Thanks for fixing and discussing. Great job, happy 2011! [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 07:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Fyi: Editors, this matter is now resolved/fixed.

:Thanks for fixing the other ones I missed. I replied to this talk page before reviewing your changes and commenting on your talk page. Thanks for formating the sources I added too. I admit I'm bad with doing the references correctly, but acceptable/easier the way I include them (although lazy). Smile! If you can fix the main title of the article to M.C. too, that would be great. Happy 2011! [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 07:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

::No problem. About changing the title of the page. There already exists a page {{noredirect|M.C. Hammer}} that redirects here to the [[MC Hammer]] page. A majority of other articles link to the current page over the other. The two can be switched but I think it might be best to leave it the way it is for now. [[User:Csloomis|<font color="Green">'''CSLoomis'''</font>]] ( [[User talk:Csloomis|<font color="Orange">talk</font>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Csloomis|<font color="Orange">contribs</font>]] ) 07:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok. That was what I was hoping to resolve. To eliminate or merge. I think the article should be M.C. and the others (including the no direct) be MC. Like, reverse the way it is so MC connects to M.C. instead. But oh well, it's no big deal. Just wanted it all to match up. Me and my OCD I guess. Or is that O.C.D.? LOL, just kidding. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 07:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
: Please keep this discussion in this article until it's resolved. When you come to a resolution please "fix" other articles. Also, please don't confuse [[M. C. Escher]] with Master of Ceremonies. Those are his initials: Maurits Cornelis Escher. --[[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 09:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

First off, this was resolved, but someone just needs to merge the M.C. Hammer "redirect" to MC Hammer (this article). There is no reason to have it blank, when at the time Hammer began, he was clearly M.C. Hammer. I realize most cites/sites omit periods, and social sites don't allow you to use periods within user names, but that doesn't mean it's right. The rest of the article includes M.C. and all the portions I mentioned about him using and going by "M.C." and what it stood for, would grammatically include periods. I understand some just go by MC to mean emcee, and even Hammer has not used them on future albums. But it's not "wrong" to have the periods and it just makes more sense historically for it to include the periods. There needs to be a concensus on this because the above editor wants to "war" over me changing MC to M.C. on Jon Gibson's article, a page that I originally did awhile back with the very text he is arguing. Also, Gorlitz, I edit on Escher's page too. I realize he isn't a "Master of Ceremonies". I'm not sure if that was said to be funny or not, but I know those are his initials for his name. Thanks! Fyi: Admin, we need to come to an agreement on Gorlitz attitude towards my good faith edit on Gibson and his decision to tell me not to discuss it on his page for some resaon. I don't want an edit war, so I'm leaving it alone until this "redirect" issue can be fixed. It's a petty issue that could be resolved by just making this article M.C. and then directing MC to it instead (visa verse). I'm only trying to be consistant on all articles including references to M.C. as with this article. That's what's important here I think. Have a blessed 2011! [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 09:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

:On a side-note, we live in a generation of "short hand" and speed, with many not even using proper punctuation in text/writing. I think this is the case when seeing MC on the web instead of M.C. Some sources still use it correctly. I don't even think it's correctly defined when typed as MC. Technically, MC is short for emcee. But sometimes M.C. is used too. The article for Master of Ceremonies combines them all, but not sure that's accurate. Others who aren't verifiable sources (blogs and ebay purchases, etc.) mostly omit periods. Perhaps it's an issue of laziness and modernism (as well as perhaps font issues when creating an album cover/photo or it just slips the creator's mind), but it's not right. I think to keep things proper, it should be M.C. I don't claim to be an expert, but it works either way and not "hurting" anyone for it to be M.C. on other articles. So why not just fix this article instead of having to change all the other M.C.'s back when it's not like it was never a way he personally even used it (which clearly he did as M.C.)? Right, wrong or indifferent, M.C. was the original way it/he was marketed. I'm not trying to be right, just accurate. That was the difference between him and most rappers, although some others did eventually use periods too. Hammer would later go on to say it meant "Man of Christ" during ministry (which is sourced) if you read further in the article. It's not a "brand name" it's an abbreviation for three words (without using of). These are just three random examples/samples, ones that I haven't even used within editing this article before. [http://www.weht.net/WEHT/M.C._Hammer.html][http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/M.C.][http://www.myspace.com/mchammer/music/albums/let-s-get-it-started-9638462] Nonetheless, some sources say MC is the same thing. I understand other sources don't use periods, and so perhaps my main argument would be this: that it was how Hammer himself used it and went by as. I think that's what's important to consider here. Otherwise, we can make a note that he started as M.C. and currently it's MC but that seems unproductive and unimportant. The last mention of it was that of it meaning "Man of Christ" and if it's just for MC (which he isn't just a rapper), I still see no problem in updating MC to M.C. on an article without a bunch of fuss. I admit I see it "stylized" as MC all over the net, but this is just a matter of making the article title M.C. and MC redirecting to it instead if nothing else. No biggie, I don't have to win this dispute. But I have made extensive good faith edits throughout his article and that's why I know something about it. At any rate, again, thanks for the consideration and understanding. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 10:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
If "MC" is just how Wiki does it by chance, then it just needs to be accepted as M.C. too when editing the text within an article. Meaning, if it's ok for the article to contain M.C. but the title of the article remains MC, so be it. That would mean, when I go to update it on the article the above editor is reverting (even though within that very article M.C. is mentioned at least two other times), that it won't be changed or a problem and still links -- which M.C. is actually already linking to this page as is (MC). Not sure what the big deal is (I wasn't trying to "fix" the link), [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jon_Gibson_(Christian_musician)&action=history] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz&diff=405466660&oldid=405466495]. [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 11:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

:Update: I updated and improved the article for Jon Gibson where this issue arose from by linking it to here but showing M.C. which could have been done in the first place. So that "edit" isn't (or shouldn't be) an issue now. But changing the main redirect to go to M.C. instead of MC would still be appreciated and warranted. If no one weighs in, or it's decided to be left as it is, my feelings won't be hurt. I've "pleaded my case" enough already. (smile) Thanks... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 16:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

:: "MC" was a choice made by the editors who moved this article here.
:: Anon was not trying to fix the link as he stated above, he changed the link to point to a redirect page which is against Wikipedia policy. The case has still not been made that this article should be moved to M.C. Hammer particularly when the artist chooses to use [http://mchammer.blogspot.com/ MC Hammer to describe himself]. --[[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 23:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Kind of "beating a dead issue" here. I did in fact only correct it to include periods, I was not trying to purposely link it to a redirect page. That's a fantastic accusation. Also, like I already mentioned above about the web and sites, I acknowledged and explained reasons why they may show MC. Nonetheless, knowing about the artist and sourcing a majority of his site and seeing articles within Wiki with his album covers during his original entry into the rap scene, they clearly say M.C. and also it's a matter of proper punctuation for a series of words being "abbreviated". Like I said, I concede if the article title is not being changed. But my attempt to add periods was not wrong nor was it done to intentially send it to a redirect page because M.C. Hammer still goes to MC Hammer just like Stanley Burrell was linked to MC Hammer and was left (which is no longer the case). Semantics. I am making a professional decision to remove myself from edits pertaining to the above user as well as this topic. If others decide to leave this article as MC, that is fine. I won't lose sleep over it. I'm not trying to be right or disrupt nor esculate/create problems as some users choose to do on here. I'm one of those guys who tries to "practice what he preaches", and as my talk page mentions guidelines and pillars, I'm going to be humble and exit from the topic completely. I would ask that the above user not purposely follow me and revert my edits intentionally nor add unnecessary comments to my talk page just to stir up resentment. I feel the point has been lost here and details overlooked. I also do not appreciate being made to look like a liar when you can not tell a person's intention over the computer which is why giving good faith is important. That same "faith" you would want yourself. Best wishes! Thanks and have a good day/evening... [[Special:Contributions/63.131.4.149|63.131.4.149]] ([[User talk:63.131.4.149|talk]]) 01:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

== Indian descent? ==

"Chelvathev Chelvasekaram who is of Indian origin was born in Oakland, California" I was unaware of his real name and Indian background LMAO <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.185.153.211|98.185.153.211]] ([[User talk:98.185.153.211|talk]]) 17:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== References ==
== References ==

Is there a problem with the references? There are multiple references listed for the same numbers. [[User:Alphius|Alphius]] ([[User talk:Alphius|talk]]) 22:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Is there a problem with the references? There are multiple references listed for the same numbers. [[User:Alphius|Alphius]] ([[User talk:Alphius|talk]]) 22:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


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== MC Hammer or M.C. Hammer? (never mind!)==
== MC Hammer or M.C. Hammer? (never mind!)==

Which one is it? I see both versions used through the article. /EDIT: Oh sorry all, disregard this entry; I see now that this '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MC_Hammer#MC_vs_M.C. has already been discussed]'''. I am leaving the entry as it is (i.e. not delete it) for historical/archive purposes. ;) --[[User:Wayfarer|Wayfarer]] ([[User talk:Wayfarer|talk]]) 04:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Which one is it? I see both versions used through the article. /EDIT: Oh sorry all, disregard this entry; I see now that this '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MC_Hammer#MC_vs_M.C. has already been discussed]'''. I am leaving the entry as it is (i.e. not delete it) for historical/archive purposes. ;) --[[User:Wayfarer|Wayfarer]] ([[User talk:Wayfarer|talk]]) 04:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


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Newspaper article

I've removed the clean-up tag that has, since January 2011, noted that it reads like a newspaper article. There have been several improvements since then. If you feel there are some spots that are still too much like a newspaper rather than an encyclopedia, please leave a note here. Be specific. Folklore1 (talk) 03:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DanceJam

Is anyone willing to create an article linked from this article for Dance Jam? If anyone is creating a page before I do, please advise. Thanks! (re: Hammer's dancejam.com website.) 69.129.170.102 (talk) 05:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dancejam.com is no longer in use and was sold. It is now mentioned within the article with sources. Probably no use creating an article for it now. 64.134.27.229 (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

Is there a problem with the references? There are multiple references listed for the same numbers. Alphius (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When a list of references is cited by a single in-line footnote, it limits how you can cite these references at other points in the text. You have to cite the entire list or write a new footnote for the more appropriate source from the list. I think it would be more efficient to create a separate footnote for each reference, so that individual reference names can be applied. Then we could easily recycle a reference later in the text by citing its reference name. Folklore1 (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MC Hammer or M.C. Hammer? (never mind!)

Which one is it? I see both versions used through the article. /EDIT: Oh sorry all, disregard this entry; I see now that this has already been discussed. I am leaving the entry as it is (i.e. not delete it) for historical/archive purposes. ;) --Wayfarer (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The internet and certain publications just tend to show/print it as MC, but if you look at his early albums (or press/media-releases), they use(d) periods. M.C. would be the "intials" or abbreviation for "Master of Ceremonies", requiring periods. But for "short-hand" purposes, it is usually seen as MC online. Additionally, later albums of Hammer's do not use periods. Perhaps due to times changing, punctuation was unnecessary. Nonetheless, in some contexts it is M.C. early in his career, and MC later in his career. Either way, it should technically be M period C period. (Yes, I also acknowledge this was already discussed above.) 64.134.27.229 (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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