Talk:Mattea Roach: Difference between revisions

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My work is done here. I’m very sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCoolestKidHere (talk • contribs) 00:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Host preference?

I question the need for her claiming that she prefers Jennings to Bialik. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

If I go looking for info about her preference, and Wikipedia doesn't have it, then Wikipedia has failed. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Why would anyone even care? --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:55, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I've asked user AldezD about this, suspecting he'll agree that it's fancruft. If he doesn't think so, I'll drop it... But did you add similar info to either Matt Amodio's or Amy Schneider's pages? --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

It turns out that AldezD is not interested in this matter. But my questions to you still stand. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I came here at Baseball Bugs' invitations, and find this one slightly tricky. I think as currently stated, it's slightly misleading, as her choice is said to be based on "his history with the show" and as currently read, it could certainly be taken as an indication of proficiency, or the like. I think I would favor removing it as sort of an undue extemporaneous answer in an interview, but I am not vehement about it. If it's kept, I should think we should add a qualifier about why she prefers Jennings. As ever, reasonable minds may differ, and happy to go with consensus here. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

(ec) I'm ambivalent on its inclusion; but, if included, it belongs after this sentence: As the winningest Canadian, Roach has lamented that the late former host and Canadian Alex Trebek is not still hosting the game. (not in "personal life"), and I'd suggest it also better reflect her statement in the source: Roach said that she would prefer Ken Jennings as permanent host because of his experience as a player. Schazjmd (talk) 16:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I like that. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:17, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. As stated, I am also ambivalent, but I think Shazjmd's suggestions would be a clear improvement. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs, no, I didn't add any (my response was purely based on principle, not on any history about this precise issue), but if they expressed a preference, and RS noted that, it would be justified to add it somewhere, and that is open for debate. I suspect that the Ken Jennings article would be a logical place to also note such support. Oddly, no such content is in that article. It deserves at least a sentence.

My comment above is of course based on the premise that there must be mention in RS, not just junk sources. My support for actual inclusion would stand or fall on that basis.

The irony here is that I quoted you above (with a slight modification) and you didn't even notice. (Your original quote.) Fancruft and trivia is only found in junk sources that is not potential content, but if several RS mention something, it is no longer trivia but is potential content. (Note that "potential" Not all potential content gets mentioned.) What you or I may feel is fancruft may be of interest to many other readers, so we provide it for them, not for us. If we want to go after fancruft, we should start with the cartoon character articles. Some are mostly fancruft, yet content of much greater value is deleted outright from prominent articles on really important subjects Yes, I know that's an "other things" argument, but just sayin'. It's one of the ironies around here that we place more value on such fancruft subjects than matters of great import. Yet, per your insightful quote, it is part of our duty, the reason for the creation of Wikipedia, that we document the sum total of human knowledge as found in RS. Jimbo's vision is grand, and we shouldn't try to impose a limited goal on this project. It is not paper. All of the articles on the English Wikipedia can easily fit on a small thumb drive. See Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia: "As of 2 April 2022, the size of the current version of all articles compressed is about 20.69 GB."

All human knowledge (with some caveats found in our PAG) deserves documentation here, whether it's about cartoon characters, Trump's serial lying and cooperation with Russian interference, or the mating habits of snakes. To quote you: "If I go looking for info, and Wikipedia doesn't have it, then Wikipedia has failed." I understand that you probably didn't intend for that to apply in all situations, but it's still a great quote, and we should basically head in that direction. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:16, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I see that a similar comment was in fact included at Amy Schneider's page, though she gave a specific reason. Matt Amodio experienced several guest hosts during his streak, and I don't think the article says anything about any preference. Maybe it doesn't matter. But one thing to keep in mind is that finding a valid source for a fact, while necessary for inclusion, is not an automatic ticket to inclusion. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Of course. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:24, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Since she lost today, maybe it doesn't matter anyway. But I still think it's irrelevant to her BLP page. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:49, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Job?

Her job is mentioned at the top of every episode. Why is it being deleted from the infobox and categories? It's already in the article. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Canadianess

She's Canadian, her winnings, in Canadian dollars is announced in Canadian news coverage. She's not American, so her local currency equivalent should occur in this article (Just as if she was British, GBP should be listed, and if she was Irish, Euros should be listed) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Earnings (consultation prize)

Should we include Roach's 2nd place $2000 consolation prize to her all-time winnings? Mooonswimmer 15:22, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Why not? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Because the Jeopardy producers might not do it that way. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

We should just cite RS. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

No source is more reliable than the show's producers. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Agree. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Good point, thanks. Mooonswimmer 20:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Those winnings should be added as they are on Ken Jennings’ page and other champs. All time winnings includes that and it is what the producers do. Always look on the leaderboard on Jeopardy.com. TheCoolestKidHere (talk) 18:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns

So, this page currently uses she/her pronouns, and has a clarification note referring to the fact that some sources have started referring to Mattea using they/them pronouns but she/her are being used in this profile for consistency. In today's episode of Jeopardy!, the host Ken Jennings referred to Mattea using they/them pronouns multiple times while Mattea was on stage and did not use she/her pronouns. While I do think the lack of announcement puts this into a gray area, it might be worth considering changing this article to use they/them pronouns. --129.219.8.2 (talk) 21:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I certainly understand where you're coming from, but given Wikipedia guidelines, I would say we should wait until we have reputable secondary sources for this change, despite the fact that I agree the reality of the situation is pretty clear. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 21:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Mattea Roach uses They/Them pronouns according to Jeopardy.com TheCoolestKidHere (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns they/them

I have fixed the pronouns to be they/them as per jeopardy.com. If I did something incorrectly, or missed some, please fix it. Thank you TheCoolestKidHere (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)