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Birth name not "Michael King Jr." but only "Michael King."[edit]

Per Jonathan Eig's 2023 book "King: a life" (ISBN 9780374279295) Martin Luther King Jr. was not born "Michael King Jr." On page 23, paragraph 5, Eig writes, "They named him Michael King, no middle name, no initial, no "Junior." They called him Little Mike."

Please consider updating all references of birth name "Michael King Jr." to simply "Michael King." Stephenwmjones (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are given the same name as your father, you are Jr whether anyone says it or not. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, that is likely what you will be called and referred to as, but as a simple matter of fact, Michael King Jr. was not his birth name. His birth name was Michael King. And as a web source interested primarily in facts, I believe it best to go with the factual record. Stephenwmjones (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. The "Michael King" thing is sketchy enough -- his father said it was a mistake by the doctor. Do we have other support for Eig's name information? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 01:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. A scan of his Georgia Dept of Public Health birth certificate can be found here. The "Full Name of Child" is listed as "Michael King." In July '57, "Michael" was crossed out in favor of "Martin Luther, Jr.". [1]https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/certificate-of-birth-for-martin-luther-king-jr-1-15-1929-revised-4-12-34/PwGFaWMlMo841w Stephenwmjones (talk) 02:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add to the first things „Martin Luther King JR was an Afro-American Baptist known for his speeches against racism. In his early life he lived in Georgia. He also is partly British“ idk how to formate 141.59.197.2 (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 06:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the last sentence of the first sectiok in the "birth" section has a misspelling where it says "their hojme in atlanta" JordinatorPrime (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phrasing[edit]

"In 1964, the FBI mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him commit suicide." I would suggest changing this sentence to something along the lines of "In 1964, the FBI mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him take his own life", as "commit suicide" has increasingly been seen as an outdated way of phrasing it, as noted by several reputable organizations, such as the American Psychological Association (https://www.apa.org/topics/suicide/coping-after) and the American Psychiatric Association (https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/how-to-talk-about-suicide-on-social-media). Mwlit (talk) 22:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a typo in the first sentence of the second paragraph of the "Christianity" subsection of the "Ideas, influences and political stances". The text reads "thinkers who influeced King's [...]". HipsterPeanuts (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thank you, good find. Randy Kryn (talk) 06:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Birth name not "Michael King Jr." but only "Michael King."  ==
-==Socialist quotes==
+Per Jonathan Eig's 2023 book "King: a life" (ISBN 9780374279295) Martin Luther King Jr. was not born "Michael King Jr." On page 23, paragraph 5, Eig writes, "They named him Michael King, no middle name, no initial, no "Junior." They called him Little Mike."
-There's recently been a dispute on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin%20Luther%20King%20Jr.&diff=1188615298&oldid=1188603990 whether these quotes by Martin Luther King Jr. belong in the article]. I wouldn't be against it necessarily if it was an article surrounding his political beliefs ''exclusively''. But I don't believe we can easily summarize or contextualize these statements (or historians views on them) without getting into problems. Since it appears that King is using the terms in a different way from what many people would interpret it to mean.
+Please consider updating all references of birth name "Michael King Jr." to simply "Michael King." [[User:Stephenwmjones|Stephenwmjones]] ([[User talk:Stephenwmjones|talk]]) 16:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-The American philosopher [[Tommie Shelby]] — who openly states he views King's policies as ''more'' radical than the ''average'' historiographical treatment by historians — [https://jacobin.com/2018/04/martin-luther-king-rhetoric-political-philosophy states that King was almost certainly not] a [[democratic socialist]] in the modern sense.
+:If you are given the same name as your father, you are Jr whether anyone says it or not. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 18:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-<blockquote>If you use a Marxist conception of capitalism and socialism, then I don’t think you can suggest that King was a socialist because he’s not calling for the abolition of private property in land, technology, resources, or finance. He’s not saying — not in his public writings — that wage labor is inherently exploitative. These are things that Marx would insist on. As much as he’s in favor of the labor movement and defends it, you don’t see King say anything like that. Now, maybe he thought it, somewhere, and he said it to someone, but it’s not in his public writings. He’s not defending it out front. Nor do you see him attacking the property question in that kind of militant way.</blockquote>
+:I agree, that is likely what you will be called and referred to as, but as a simple matter of fact, Michael King Jr. was not his birth name. His birth name was Michael King. And as a web source interested primarily in facts, I believe it best to go with the factual record.  [[User:Stephenwmjones|Stephenwmjones]] ([[User talk:Stephenwmjones|talk]]) 09:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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+::I agree with this. The "Michael King" thing is sketchy enough -- his father said it was a mistake by the doctor. Do we have other support for Eig's name information? [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107;]]</small></sup> 01:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::Good question. A scan of his Georgia Dept of Public Health birth certificate can be found here. The "Full Name of Child" is listed as "Michael King." In July '57, "Michael" was crossed out in favor of "Martin Luther, Jr.". [https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/certificate-of-birth-for-martin-luther-king-jr-1-15-1929-revised-4-12-34/PwGFaWMlMo841w]https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/certificate-of-birth-for-martin-luther-king-jr-1-15-1929-revised-4-12-34/PwGFaWMlMo841w [[User:Stephenwmjones|Stephenwmjones]] ([[User talk:Stephenwmjones|talk]]) 02:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024 ==
-<blockquote>I can understand people wanting to use King to advance a socialist cause, a cause I’m sympathetic to. But I don’t think it’s a good idea really to invoke him in this way without due care for what he actually says in his various writings and public speeches. People are really just drawing on, for the most part, a few remarks here and there that can be interpreted in a wide range of ways. So I suppose if you think Denmark is a socialist country, then I guess he’s a socialist. I do not myself think Denmark is a socialist country. But if you mean socialism in the sense that Marx and his allies meant, then I think it’d be pretty hard to make the case for that.</blockquote>
+{{Edit semi-protected|Martin Luther King Jr.|answered=yes}}
-Without adding context and just including the quotes: Readers are going to get the impression that Martin Luther King Jr. held views similar to the Wikipedia article on [[democratic socialism]]. Which very likely isn't the case.
+Add to the first things „Martin Luther King JR was an Afro-American Baptist known for his speeches against racism. In his early life he lived in Georgia. He also is partly British“ idk how to formate [[Special:Contributions/141.59.197.2|141.59.197.2]] ([[User talk:141.59.197.2|talk]]) 06:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <code><nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki></code> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 06:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
+== Protected edit request ==
-Most historians think King was a social democrat/left-wing American political figure. Currently, I think adding the quotes would likely lead to more confusion than understanding. [[User:KlayCax|KlayCax]] ([[User talk:KlayCax|talk]]) 15:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
+In the last sentence of the first sectiok in the "birth" section has a misspelling where it says "their hojme in atlanta" [[User:JordinatorPrime|JordinatorPrime]] ([[User talk:JordinatorPrime|talk]]) 15:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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+:Fixed. Thanks. [[User:StephenMacky1|StephenMacky1]] ([[User talk:StephenMacky1|talk]]) 15:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
-{{edit semi-protected|Martin Luther King Jr.|answered=yes}}
-Why isn't his name Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on this page? His degrees were earned and when one has a doctorate we respect that. [[Special:Contributions/24.121.72.18|24.121.72.18]] ([[User talk:24.121.72.18|talk]]) 02:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> see [[MOS:REVEREND]], we mention his degrees in the article, they just don't go in the first sentence like I think you're requesting [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 03:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
-:1 3 1... [[Special:Contributions/120.29.110.236|120.29.110.236]] ([[User talk:120.29.110.236|talk]]) 02:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
+== Phrasing ==
-== Is Martin Luther kind the second president  ==
+"In 1964, the FBI mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him commit suicide." I would suggest changing this sentence to something along the lines of "In 1964, the FBI mailed King a threatening anonymous letter, which he interpreted as an attempt to make him take his own life", as "commit suicide" has increasingly been seen as an outdated way of phrasing it, as noted by several reputable organizations, such as the American Psychological Association (https://www.apa.org/topics/suicide/coping-after) and the American Psychiatric Association (https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/how-to-talk-about-suicide-on-social-media). [[User:Mwlit|Mwlit]] ([[User talk:Mwlit|talk]]) 22:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
-? [[Special:Contributions/2601:583:8200:6440:B140:99C7:B2F3:55B3|2601:583:8200:6440:B140:99C7:B2F3:55B3]] ([[User talk:2601:583:8200:6440:B140:99C7:B2F3:55B3|talk]]) 04:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
-:No, while he never served directly in the government, he was a very important Civil Rights leader from 1955 until his death in 1968, he was also a Minister in a Church. [[Special:Contributions/108.49.72.125|108.49.72.125]] ([[User talk:108.49.72.125|talk]]) 16:35, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
-== Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024 ==
-{{Edit semi-protected|Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.|answered=yes}}
-Unless objected, please ADD “Dr.” in front of Martin Luther King Jr name
-Thank you [[User:Molldoll849|Molldoll849]] ([[User talk:Molldoll849|talk]]) 16:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
-:I can't edit that, but please take a look at this, as to why "Dr." isn't added in front of his name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Martin_Luther_King_Jr.#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_January_2024 [[Special:Contributions/108.49.72.125|108.49.72.125]] ([[User talk:108.49.72.125|talk]]) 16:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Most titles and honorifics are not included in the article's title, nor in uses of the person's name, per [[MOS:PREFIX]]. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 16:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
-== RE: Early 1950 Maple Shade, Mary's Cafe incident ==
-: I ran across this article originally dated Jan 14 2024 describing an MLK incident at Mary's Cafe in South Jersey and a law suit in 1950. I'm not skilled in Wiki, but scanning around for a while, I didn't find any 1950 references. This was obviously while he was at Cozer.  I paste a partial copy here.  I do not need an answer.  I just thought mention of something as early as 1950 may be considered to include. Obviously, Jersey thinks it is his first. FYI: I saw it yesterday (the 15th), but reading it today (16th) the date shows 15th.
-:: NJ Spotlight News:
-::"It’s not just that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. held his first formal sit-in on June 11, 1950, in the South Jersey town of Maple Shade, but that protest also led to King’s first lawsuit against discrimination.  . . . Nichols was arrested and charged, but when witnesses failed to testify, the case was dropped."
-:: https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2024/01/1-16/  Regards,   [[User:EngineerSteve|&#32;-- Steve -- ]] ([[User talk:EngineerSteve|talk]]) 15:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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-He was black
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-== the word NOT is missing ==
+== Protected edit request ==
+There is a typo in the first sentence of the second paragraph of the "Christianity" subsection of the "Ideas, influences and political stances". The text reads "thinkers who ''influeced'' King's [...]". [[User:HipsterPeanuts|HipsterPeanuts]] ([[User talk:HipsterPeanuts|talk]]) 23:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
-in the section '''early childhood''' it says:
+:{{done}}, thank you, good find. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 06:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
-''King's father responded sharply that King Jr. was a boy but he was a man''
- the word ''<u>NOT</u>'' is missing. [[Special:Contributions/45.173.210.101|45.173.210.101]] ([[User talk:45.173.210.101|talk]]) 02:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)