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| [https://hollywoodlife.com/2021/10/04/keke-palmer-jordan-peele-dm-role-nope-interview/ Keke Palmer Says She Slid Into Jordan Peele's DMs About A Role Years Before ''Nope'']
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== Genre ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2022 ==


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One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. But I feel it may fall into other genres, such as neo-western (desert and cowboy imagery galore) and/or thriller. I propose it’s categorized as “epic neo-western sci-fi horror.” This is the most concise, accurate way this film can be described. [[Special:Contributions/172.254.82.67|172.254.82.67]] ([[User talk:172.254.82.67|talk]]) 23:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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:Are there [[WP:SOURCE|reliable sources]] that can confirm "Nope" is an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" film?--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 03:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
change the title from “Nope” to “NOPE” as Universal in press has began to distinctly stylize the name that way [[Special:Contributions/2603:6081:5340:F2A2:C486:2B3C:BFAE:1FB9|2603:6081:5340:F2A2:C486:2B3C:BFAE:1FB9]] ([[User talk:2603:6081:5340:F2A2:C486:2B3C:BFAE:1FB9|talk]]) 03:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
::I can confirm. In addition to the obvious Western imagery within the work itself, these four articles from [https://www.denverpost.com/2022/07/26/nope-review-jordan-peele-horror-sci-fi-western/ The Denver Post], [https://movieweb.com/nope-changing-alien-invasion-movies/ MovieWeb], [https://www.thereviewgeek.com/nope-moviereview/ The Review Geek], and the [https://www.washingtonpost.com/movies/2022/07/20/nope-movie-review/ Washington Post] all refer to it as an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" in some capacity. [[User:Trqalobaid|Trqalobaid]] ([[User talk:Trqalobaid|talk]]) 05:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> please also provide [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] that press in general refers to the film as "NOPE" instead of "Nope", and keep in mind [[MOS:ALLCAPS|the guideline for all-caps in articles]]. &#128156; <span style="border:solid 1px; border-radius:7px;background:#226;border-color:#338">[[User:Melecie|<span style="color:#edf">&nbsp;'''m'''elecie&nbsp;</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Melecie|<span style="color=#edf">'''t'''alk</span>]] - 10:21, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:The stylization in all caps appears to be a font choice, although an inconsistent one. As of now, on Universal's [https://www.universalpictures.com/movies/nope page] for Nope, they primarily use Title Case "Nope" over ALL CAPS "NOPE," although the embedded YouTube trailer video there does use "NOPE." [[User:ColinATL|ColinATL]] ([[User talk:ColinATL|talk]]) 00:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


::: Reviewers may use terms like "epic" to express their impressions of films, though, not to define their genres. "Sci-fi horror Western" is hilariously complicated enough for me—and I'm fond of complication. – [[User:AndyFielding|AndyFielding]] ([[User talk:AndyFielding|talk]]) 10:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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::::Hey as long as it's considered a neo-Western, I'm happy. [[User:Trqalobaid|Trqalobaid]] ([[User talk:Trqalobaid|talk]]) 01:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
We don't know what type of alien activity we will see in this film, so I propose the categories "Films about alien abduction/invasion" be removed for the time being, until we learn more about the film's plot. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:ED18:A301:201D:E94F:F057:AEB2|2A00:23C7:ED18:A301:201D:E94F:F057:AEB2]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:ED18:A301:201D:E94F:F057:AEB2|talk]]) 00:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


<!-- Sigh. -->{{tq|One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror.}} Not sure how this discussion happened without anyone pointing out the Project film guidelines [[WP:FILMGENRE]] {{tq|" the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. "}} There is a SHOUTING WARNING in the wiki source that thinks genres being mentioned "IN SOME CAPACITY" is somehow enough, and demands that nothing be changed without discussion. Please discuss why the guidelines were ignored. I refer you all back to the guidelines and strongly recommended the extra genres be removed from the lead section and list only primary genre and subgenre, namely "science-fiction horror", which [[User:Apokryltaros]] said was the one thing we should be able to agree on. There may be other places such as the "Themes" section where these extra genres and influences could be mentioned but there is no excuse for forced genre bloat into the opening sentence. -- [[Special:Contributions/109.77.206.76|109.77.206.76]] ([[User talk:109.77.206.76|talk]]) 22:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2022 ==
:I also was surprised that [[WP:FILMGENRE]] fell through the cracks, but it clearly applies. It generally means only one genre, but certainly not three. I removed neo-western and the SHOUTING WARNING. Shouting it doesn't make it any more true that whispering it. Neo-western should be restored '''if and only if''' there is a consensus here to do so, and even then one or both of the other genres need to be removed. The argument that there are many sources for neo-western doesn't make have much meaning because I'm sure the other genres can be backed up with as many or more sources. If I looked I probably could come up with sources for at least two or three more genres, but they don't all belong in the lead. They can be discussed later in the article if they are important, in proportion to the weight they have in reputable sources. The issue here is the "''primary'' genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. Genre classifications should comply with [[WP:WEIGHT]] and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources," not the opinion of a couple of Wikipedia editors. [[User:Sundayclose|Sundayclose]] ([[User talk:Sundayclose|talk]]) 22:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

* Sorry for the thread resurrection. I just removed neo-Western from the lead per [[MOS:FILMGENRE]] and in the absence of any clear consensus above. The cited [https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/westerns-yellowstone-prey-nope-1392438/ Rolling Stone source] is also ambivalent about whether it's appropriate to call the film a Western. I also removed the neo-Western category, though I would not object to a mention in the body that some consider it a neo-Western. If that's done, it would be sensible to restore the category. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 19:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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** It seems neo-Western was re-added without any sort of further citations or discussion so removing it from lead. [[User:Yeoutie|Yeoutie]] ([[User talk:Yeoutie|talk]]) 14:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Gordy doesn't kill Jupe's female cast mate, she is at the abduction show on Jupiter's Claim. Her electronic wheelchair is on the roof. Gordy is shot before Jupe can fist bump him. [[Special:Contributions/104.246.197.69|104.246.197.69]] ([[User talk:104.246.197.69|talk]]) 14:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 15:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Using proper pronoun for a character ==

In the first paragraph under the “Plot” section, a character named Gordy -a male chimpanzee- is referred to with inconsistent pronouns. He is referred to as “he,” and is later referred to as “it” in the last sentence of the paragraph. Since he has already been introduced with a name and a “he” pronoun, the “it” pronoun needs to be corrected to “he.” [[Special:Contributions/144.230.82.251|144.230.82.251]] ([[User talk:144.230.82.251|talk]]) 19:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Horse Pronouns ==

The horses should be referred to by him/her as they are in the film. The use of ‘it’ is objectifying and increasingly out of fashion even in scientific and academic settings, not to mention going against the themes of respecting other beings found in the film. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:A303:2ED2:1D44:6E8E:C98A:EAFB|2603:7000:A303:2ED2:1D44:6E8E:C98A:EAFB]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:A303:2ED2:1D44:6E8E:C98A:EAFB|talk]]) 06:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

== Muybridge pictures ==

The animation of [[Eadweard Muybridge]]'s pictures of galloping horse Annie G. (published as plate 626 in Muybridge's ''[[Animal Locomotion]]'' in 1887) is used in the movie as illustration of "the very first assembly of photographs to create a motion picture" and the rider is said to be the great (great) grandfather of the Haywoods.

Further information is too detailed to include in the article:

Muybridge had already been publishing [[chronophotography|chronophotographic]] picture sequences since 1878 –nine years earlier– (see [[The Horse in Motion]]) and the names of riders and drivers are printed on the first cabinet cards: (Charles) Marvin and G.(Gilbert L.) Domm. Their skin colour isn't clear in the original pictures; at this stage Muybridge only managed to record them as silhouettes (Stanford did employ black coachman James Vickers, featured in an 1872 still photograph by Muybridge, but Marvin and Domm were probably not black; the extant detailed press articles of the time would probably have pointed this out). These and other sequences were often viewed in motion in [[zoetrope]]s soon after publication, and a little while later they were traced anamorphically in paint on glass discs for projection with Muybridge's [[zoopraxiscope]] in his lectures on locomotion (starting in 1880). The lectures thus seem to have included the first projected motion pictures based on actual recordings of motion, basically a form of [[rotoscoping]]. Stroboscopic animation already existed since 1833, projected stroboscopic animation at least since 1847, and stop motion/pixilation (animated posed photographs) since circa 1851/1852, see: [[History of film technology]].

The black rider of Annie G., recorded at the [[University of Pennsylvania]] between 1883 and 1885 (in much clearer quality than the 1878 pictures), has not yet been identified. Unfortunately, the pages with notes for these recordings are missing from Muybridge's notebook kept at the George Eastman House library (https://fdiv.net/2015/01/02/who-were-jockeys-muybridges-photographs). [[User:Joortje1|Joortje1]] ([[User talk:Joortje1|talk]]) 15:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

== [[WP:FILMRATINGS]] ==

[[WP:FILMRATINGS]] are not normally included. What's more the text makes it clear how entirely unsurprising it is that this Jordan Peele film is R-Rated. The notes about the MPA rating should probably be removed. If editors were aware of the guidelines and deliberately trying to claim something about the rating is especially noteworthy and that an exception should be made in this case then they must do more to clearly explain why they think it is appropriate. A talk page discussion should not be be necessary to figure this out, it should really already be clear to readers that something about the rating was exceptional or it shouldn't be in the article. -- [[Special:Contributions/109.78.196.241|109.78.196.241]] ([[User talk:109.78.196.241|talk]]) 00:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

== Plot summary ==

The plot summary is unnecessarily long and poorly worded. Additionally, the alien’s final form does not look like a biblically accurate angel at all. That part needs to be taken out. [[Special:Contributions/75.182.185.45|75.182.185.45]] ([[User talk:75.182.185.45|talk]]) 20:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:In addition, Angel does not accidentally get wrapped in the tarp and barbed wire. He does this completely on purpose in order to protect himself. [[Special:Contributions/38.140.6.218|38.140.6.218]] ([[User talk:38.140.6.218|talk]]) 15:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
::The plot summary has since been reduced to an acceptable word count per [[WP:FILMPLOT]] (i.e. between 400 and 700 words; at the time of my writing this, the word count is 696 words). The general consensus seems to favour referring to the alien's final form as being reminiscent of a "biblically accurate angel", especially since there are multiple cited sources that refer to it as such. And as for Angel being wrapped in tarp and barbed wire, I've removed the word "accidentally". —'''''[[User:MatthewHoobin|<span style="color:#0640e0; text-shadow:#66ff66 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Matthew</span>]]''''' - <span style="font-size:80%">([[User_talk:MatthewHoobin|talk]])</span> 21:10, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

== Neon Genesis Evangelion References ==

Neither Jordan Peele nor the monster designer John Dabiri are on record as citing the series or Angel designs as direct inspiration at this time. Every linked source regarding this is speculative writing by third parties. I think this should be removed as it is in multiple portions of this entry. [[User:CrustyCrostini|CrustyCrostini]] ([[User talk:CrustyCrostini|talk]]) 04:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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:Agreed, it's essentially fanwank.--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 04:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

== Orphaned references in [[:Nope (film)]] ==

I check pages listed in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for [[User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer|orphaned references]] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of [[:Nope (film)]]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

<b>Reference named "BOM":</b><ul>
<li>From [[BlacKkKlansman]]: {{cite web |title=BlacKkKlansman (2018) |url=https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blackkklansman.htm |website=[[Box Office Mojo]] |publisher=[[IMDb]] |access-date=October 30, 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190410202750/https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blackkklansman.htm |archive-date=April 10, 2019 |url-status=live}}</li>
<li>From [[Candyman (2021 film)]]: {{Cite Box Office Mojo |id=9347730 |title=Candyman (2021) |access-date=November 3, 2021}}</li>
<li>From [[Once Upon a Time in Hollywood]]: {{cite Box Office Mojo|id=7131622|title=Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood (2019)|access-date=June 19, 2021}}{{cbignore}}</li>
<li>From [[Get Out]]: {{cite web |url=https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blumhouse2.htm |title=Get Out (2017) |website=[[Box Office Mojo]] |access-date=July 13, 2018}}</li>
<li>From [[The Wizard of Oz (1939 film)]]: {{cite web|url=https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0032138/|title=The Wizard of Oz (1939)|website=[[Box Office Mojo]]|access-date=October 25, 2019|archive-date=October 25, 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191025173404/https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0032138/|url-status=live}}</li>
<li>From [[Universal Pictures]]: {{cite web |title=Universal All Time Box Office Results |url=https://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=universal.htm|website=[[Box Office Mojo]]|access-date=April 9, 2017}}</li>
<li>From [[Us (2019 film)]]: {{cite web|url=https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledjordanpeele.htm|title=Us (2019)|website=[[Box Office Mojo]]|access-date=June 25, 2019}}</li>
<li>From [[Thor: Love and Thunder]]: {{Cite Box Office Mojo |title=Thor: Love and Thunder |id=10648342 |access-date=August 13, 2022}}</li>
<li>From [[Close Encounters of the Third Kind]]: {{cite web|url=https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=closeencountersofthethirdkind.htm|website=[[Box Office Mojo]]|title=Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)|access-date=September 5, 2017|archive-date=September 1, 2017|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170901012714/http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=closeencountersofthethirdkind.htm|url-status=live}}</li>
<li>From [[DC League of Super-Pets]]: {{Cite Box Office Mojo|url=https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl470124033/?ref_=bo_hm_rd|title=DC League of Super-Pets|accessdate=August 14, 2022}}</li>
</ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#880">⚡</span>]] 23:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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== Genre ==

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One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. But I feel it may fall into other genres, such as neo-western (desert and cowboy imagery galore) and/or thriller. I propose it’s categorized as “epic neo-western sci-fi horror.” This is the most concise, accurate way this film can be described. [[Special:Contributions/172.254.82.67|172.254.82.67]] ([[User talk:172.254.82.67|talk]]) 23:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. But I feel it may fall into other genres, such as neo-western (desert and cowboy imagery galore) and/or thriller. I propose it’s categorized as “epic neo-western sci-fi horror.” This is the most concise, accurate way this film can be described. 172.254.82.67 (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there reliable sources that can confirm "Nope" is an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" film?--Mr Fink (talk) 03:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can confirm. In addition to the obvious Western imagery within the work itself, these four articles from The Denver Post, MovieWeb, The Review Geek, and the Washington Post all refer to it as an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" in some capacity. Trqalobaid (talk) 05:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewers may use terms like "epic" to express their impressions of films, though, not to define their genres. "Sci-fi horror Western" is hilariously complicated enough for me—and I'm fond of complication. – AndyFielding (talk) 10:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey as long as it's considered a neo-Western, I'm happy. Trqalobaid (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. Not sure how this discussion happened without anyone pointing out the Project film guidelines WP:FILMGENRE " the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. " There is a SHOUTING WARNING in the wiki source that thinks genres being mentioned "IN SOME CAPACITY" is somehow enough, and demands that nothing be changed without discussion. Please discuss why the guidelines were ignored. I refer you all back to the guidelines and strongly recommended the extra genres be removed from the lead section and list only primary genre and subgenre, namely "science-fiction horror", which User:Apokryltaros said was the one thing we should be able to agree on. There may be other places such as the "Themes" section where these extra genres and influences could be mentioned but there is no excuse for forced genre bloat into the opening sentence. -- 109.77.206.76 (talk) 22:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also was surprised that WP:FILMGENRE fell through the cracks, but it clearly applies. It generally means only one genre, but certainly not three. I removed neo-western and the SHOUTING WARNING. Shouting it doesn't make it any more true that whispering it. Neo-western should be restored if and only if there is a consensus here to do so, and even then one or both of the other genres need to be removed. The argument that there are many sources for neo-western doesn't make have much meaning because I'm sure the other genres can be backed up with as many or more sources. If I looked I probably could come up with sources for at least two or three more genres, but they don't all belong in the lead. They can be discussed later in the article if they are important, in proportion to the weight they have in reputable sources. The issue here is the "primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources," not the opinion of a couple of Wikipedia editors. Sundayclose (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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