Talk:Somalia: Difference between revisions

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2015

118.101.200.185 (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC) Religion =Islam

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:56, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Adal Sultanate

In the establishment section it lists the "Adal Sultanate" as dating back to the 9th Century CE, that's incorrect. Not even its predecessor the Ifat Sultanate existed that far back and instead as even wikipedia's own pages and sources on them posit-> it all dates to at most the 12th-13th Centuries CE. I'm leaving this note to point out why I'm going to be rectifying that mistake. Awale-Abdi (talk) 09:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the Adal Sultanate's first capital was at Zeila in the 12th-13th centuries. According to Al-Yaqubi, there was an earlier kingdom or sultanate also based there in the late 800s. Middayexpress (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Mirror

I think a some of this article was cp'd from here. Mr.Magik-Pants (talk) 19:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

That is a WP:MIRROR of this page. Middayexpress (talk) 19:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Removal of material from introduction

Middayexpress, can you explain how removing material from the introduction of the article constitutes contextualisation? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the phrase is still there but contextualized. The Fragile State Index was first published in 2005, not right after the collapse of the central government in the early 1990s. Middayexpress (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I somehow missed that you'd moved it to the next paragraph. Of course, people were characterising Somalia as a failed state before the index came into being. The discussion of this in the intro is fine though. I'm not so sure about "ensuing process of decentralization", however. That suggests that the central state decided to decentralise power, rather than it collapsing. There's also no subsequent mention of this process in the main body of the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

While there were some intermittent assertions to that effect, the failed state concept didn't really take off globally until the establishment of the FSI in 2005. Somalia is now instead generally regarded as a progressing fragile state. At any rate, the decentralized regional states are noted under regions and districts. Middayexpress (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not true about the emergence of the failed state concept. It was already the subject of considerable academic debate prior to 2005 (see, for example, this or this). Cordless Larry (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding "decentralisation", my point wasn't that the regions aren't discussed in the article but that this supposed process of decentralisation isn't. The actual word "decentralization" only appears in the introduction. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I was referring to the mid-1990s rather than a few years before the index's establishment in 2005. The decentralization process was different for each regional state and is discussed on their respective pages. Middayexpress (talk) 23:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources from the 1990s, too. See this, for example. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Understood, but the concept wasn't really popularized until later, in the 2000s [1]. Middayexpress (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Again, I wonder how this constitutes contextualisation of Bobrayner's edit, Middayexpress? You removed the mention that Somalia is second on the FSI from the introduction. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I adjusted that a minute later to read that Somalia was displaced atop the FSI (the index's wording) [2], attributed that to the FSI, and moved the phrase down to the appropriate period after the establishment of the federal government. It's now also noted in the intro. Middayexpress (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Somalia remains second in the index though, which was what Bob's edit noted, and that's not now mentioned. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

It was implied by dislodged from atop the FSI, which is the index's phrasing. At any rate, I've noted that second placing. Middayexpress (talk) 22:47, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I think the last paragraph should be condensed. AcidSnow (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I trimmed the decentralization bit. Middayexpress (talk) 22:47, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2015

"In August 2014, the Somali government-led Operation Indian Ocean was also launched to cleanup the remaining insurgent-held pockets in the countryside."

Please correct "cleanup" to "clean up". Thanks.

109.157.11.144 (talk) 03:31, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Altamel (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2015 (UTC)