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Puerto Rico citizenship

I think a new page for this is needed(i am trying to find some translations in english of the official documents). There is a lot of information that needs to be translated or summarized under this new historic event, including the case Ramirez vs Mari Brás. The PR goverment ruling of October 13,2006 establishing the Puerto Rico citizenship under the constitution of Puerto Rico and the official requirements stated on May 1, 2007 :that every person born in the country (Puerto Rico) or whose mother or father is puerto rican born can claim the official document of citizenship of Puerto Rico. Reference: [[1]]. --vertical 22:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Technically, Puerto Rican citizenship is illegal for people born after 1898. The Puerto Rico as an "internal" government can't just issue citizenship to it residents. The U.S. consitution states that matters of citizenship and international relations are to be held by the Federal Government and not by state governments or any government under the Federal. i.e. There's no Florida citizenship, or New York citizenship, or Guam citizenship. Until the United States recognizes a "Puerto Rican" citizenship if there's any, there shouldn't be any posts related to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.130.130 (talk) 19:42, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

That's the point; there is Puerto Rican citizenship, whether the Americans recognize it or not. It is an important part of our history and should be added. --Boricuaeddie 21:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(jumping in with a comment) 74.244.130.130 anonymously says, in part: "The U.S. consitution states that matters of citizenship and international relations are to be held by the Federal Government and not by state governments or any government under the Federal." I don't find that anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. I do find the following (emphasis added):

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." (Article IV, Section 2)
"The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State." Amendment 11
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." (Amendment 14, titled "Citizenship Rights.")

This appears to be a simple instance of uninformed opinion being stated as if it were fact, and a supporting source (the U.S. Constitution) being cited without checking that the cited source actually does say what it is claimed to say. Wikipedia has far too much of this. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me remind you that Puerto Rico is not a US federated state, US federal district like D.C. or a Non governing territory like Guam,US Virgin Islands or American Samoa.see:[2]. Puerto Rico has an unique status as a Self governing Nonincorporated territory with Commonwealth or Associated Free State status under a compact of association between both countries since 1952 and approved by the United Nations in 1953. The Supreme Court of Puerto Rico resolved that the Puerto Rican citizenship does exists and that the imposed statutory US citizenship is a secondary citizenship since the natural citizenship of Puerto Ricans is the Puerto Rican citizenship under the Treaty of Paris and beyond (the imposition of a second citizenship did not change this fact neither the Constitution of 1952). see:[3]The governing party accepted this fact and since May 2007, the certification of citizenship is available as an official document of the PR government. (Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico).--Royptorico 01:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricanes

I think we should add more information about the hurricanes that have passed by Puerto Rico, and include images like Image:Hurricane Dean 145 81807 3-15 UTC.jpg, Image:Hurricane Georges 20 sept 1998 1445Z.jpg, or Image:Hugo 1989 track.png and Image:Hurricane Hugo 1989 sept 21 1844Z.jpg (info here). --Boricuaeddie 22:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

colony

There should be a section which documents that there are Puerto Ricans that do indeed still consider Puerto Rico a colony of the United States but under a different name. 67.53.78.15 00:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to Martin Koppel in the introduction to "Puerto Rico independence is a necessity" ISBN 0-87348-895-4 copyright 1998 "In 1954, Rafael Cancel Miranda, together with Andres Figueroa Cordero, Irving Flores, and Lolita Lebron, carried out an armed protest in the US Congress in Washington, D.C., in oder to draw international attention to Puerto Rico's colonial status." Even though this was 1954, it shows there were Puerto Ricans who resisted, in this case violently, what they still considered colonial domination67.53.78.15 01:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I'll look for more sources and add it. Thanks. --Boricu æ ddie 00:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sports

many sports that puerto rico play are well known as

baseball

basketball

biking, skating

boating and sailing

bowling

caming

cock fighting

cycling racing

diving

fishimg

golfing

racing

horse racing

surfing

swimming

tennis

wind surfing

and last but not least

volleyball —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.41.27.182 (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Got references? --Ag ü eybaná 14:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: I don't know yet how to indent. Please someone do this for me. Please note that football is a sport that is developing enthusiasm. There is a team, Puerto Rico Islanders. I'll find more information and references.--MissCurie 09:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

what you mean is Fútbol,which is not the same as Football. It is Soccer in English.--Royptorico 00:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. See football. --Ag ü eybaná 00:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, its still called "football" everywhere in the world excluding the United States because they have their own version of "football", there is a reason for the title of the article Football (soccer). - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commonwealth supporters

Isn't this unjustified POV?

"Those who support maintaining the status quo (i.e., Commonwealth status) insist that upon attaining this status, Puerto Rico entered into a voluntary association with the U.S. "in the nature of a compact", but according to a President's Task Force report..."

Is it not true that the absolute majority of Commonwealth supporters are in favor of "enhanced"/sovereign commonwealth as opposed to the current status quo?

Regards,

Hypathia 01:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is that "those who support" are not identified and that no supporting source is cited for their asserted insistence. I've tagged that sentence in the article accordingly.

FWIW, I note the following on page 13 of http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL32933.pdf:

“

1991 Referendum. In September 1991, the Puerto Rican legislature approved legislation that required a referendum be held on December 8, 1991. The voters in the referendum were asked to vote on self-determination or rights that would be incorporated into the commonwealth constitution, if the majority of voters approved.

The specific proposals included in the referendum included rights to determine the status of Puerto Rico without being subject to the plenary powers of Congress, guarantees of the continuance of Puerto Rico’s culture (including official use of the Spanish language and retention of a separate Olympic team), and a guarantee of U.S. citizenship based on constitutional, not statutory, authority. Both the PDP and the PIP urged a “yes” vote.

A majority of voters (53%) cast ballots against the proposal. Some contended that the vote was an indirect step to block statehood. Others perceived the rejection to reflect dissatisfaction with the Governor. Another explanation offered for the vote is that some cast their ballots out of fear that a “yes” vote would result in a further degradation of federal benefits and the loss of U.S. citizenship.

”

-- Boracay Bill 03:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Ricans are not fond of changing the constitution, right after this referendum the PDP lost the elections, the PNP won and tried to do another referendum in 1994 to change again the constitution and was defeated, this time by the PIP and PDP coalition, the 'no' won by 54%.--Royptorico 03:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is Unsourced, unsubstantiated POV:

"Those who support[attribution needed] maintaining the status quo (i.e., Commonwealth status) insist[citation needed] that upon attaining this status, Puerto Rico entered into a voluntary association with the U.S. "in the nature of a compact".

Why is it not deleted as is common when POV is added by some to this entry? Anyway, even if it was "sourced", does it not discount the fact that the "none of the above" option (arguably in favor of "sovereign commonwealth", which was not on the plebiscite's ball of 1998) won more than 50% of the vote? Commonwealth obtained approximately 0.1% (less than one thousand votes), so how can it be said that Commonwealth "has won" all plebiscites held on the island. This is outrageously inaccurate POV.

Hypathia 03:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jones Act

The statment that "the application of these coastwise shipping laws and their imposition on Puerto Rico consist in a serious restriction of free trade and have been under scrutiny and controversy due to the apparent contradictory rhetoric involving the United States Government's sponsorship of free trade policies around the world, while its own national shipping policy (Cabotage Law) is essentially mercantilist and based on notions foreign to free-trade principles" should be consider to non-neutral point of point. This statment is not fact but an opinion of the writer. The discussion of the beneitfs of free trade vs. protectionist policy adds no value to the reader knowledge of Puerto Rico and is only serves as a soapbox for an opinion.

Illegal immigration to Puerto Rico?

I came across the Dominican illegal immigration to Puerto Rico page and after reading it raised a question. Are there other nationalities that are coming into Puerto Rico illegally in large numbers, or is it primarily just Dominicans? Perhaps this should be incorporated into this article.--Wambeter 09:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WEF Country Profile for Puerto Rico

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Locked

I don't know why this article is protected from editing, but it should be labeled as such. — Reinyday, 00:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't noticed either. - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 00:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Porto Rico"

At the turn of the century (possibly before) the name was frequently spelled as Porto Rico. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?Saxophobia (talk) 11:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was at the turn of the previous century. -24.149.203.34 (talk) 19:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. e.g., Article II of the Treaty of Paris (1898):

“

Article II.

Spain cedes to the United States the island of Porto Rico and other islands now under Spanish sovereignty in the West Indies, and the island of Guam in the Marianas or Ladrones.

”

-- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting addition of "non-voting" to lead section sentence as implicit POV

I'm not following this article closely, but I noticed that this edit earlier today added the words "non-voting" to the lead section sentence: "The Jones-Shafroth Act or Jones Act, a 1917 statute sponsored by Representative William Atkinson Jones on the United States Congress conferred non-voting U.S. citizenship to Puerto Ricans." I have deleted the words "non-voting", which I feel inject political POV into this lead section sentence.

The sentence requoted above is true enough, with or without the words "non-voting". However, it is a fact that neither Mr. Jones, nor Mr. Shaforth, nor Mr. Foraker (whose earlier Foraker Act — First Organic Act of Puerto Rico — was, I understand, amended by the Jones-Shafroth Act), nor the entire Legislative and Executive branches of the U.S. government acting together, in concert, in unison, united behind the purpose, had then or currently do have the authority to grant voting rights to Puerto Ricans ("Puerto-Rican", here, meaning a U.S. citizen neither a "person of" any particular U.S. State nor of the DofC, nor a member of the U.S. Uniformed Services, nor otherwise in a special-case situation vis-a-vis voting rights).

No, the Jones-Shaforth act did not grant voting rights to Puerto Ricans. Also, neither Mr. Jones nor Mr. Shaforth stopped beating their wives. Both the question of adding the words "non-voting", and the question of wife-beating on the part of Jones and Shafforth, involve a logical fallacy known as the fallacy of many questions. Please also see Voting rights in the United States#Overseas and nonresident Citizens for a bit more info on the subject of U.S. voting rights for nonresident citizens and see "nonresident citizens?" in this talk page for a bit of discussion about that from an angle which applies to the case of Puerto-Ricans but doesn't come at the topic from a Puerto-Rican-specific angle. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 21:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of fact, Puerto Ricans were granted "voting" citizenship. When a Puerto Rican U.S. citizen moves to a state, precisely because he or she was granted US citizenship in 1917, they may vote to select the electors of that State to the Electoral College. In Puerto Rico they may not vote for electors, not because their US citizenship is flawed but because, as a territory, Puerto Rico has no representation in the Electoral College. Thus, the phrase "non-voting" was correctly removed, but for the wrong reason, not because of POV but because it is incorrect.Pr4ever (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A problem with this purported matter of fact is that it presumes that "voting" and "non voting" are two separate catagories of "citizenship", and that persons or groups of persons can be granted "citizenship" in either the "voting" or the "non voting" category. This presumption is false. U.S. citizens derive voting rights through being a "person of" (simplify that as "citizen of" or "resident of" for most practical purposes) one of the several U.S. States and/or (since the 23rd Amendment) through the DofC. The question of whether or not these citizens are "Puerto Ricans" doesn't enter into it at all. However, mox nix. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, residents of Puerto Rico do vote in the primaries, but not the general elections. Their delegate in Congress can also vote in committee, but not on the floor. SamEV (talk) 21:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually, the Resident Commissioner does vote on the floor, but if his vote is decisive, they revote the issue without him so, while his vote counts in committee (that's why "W" called Fortuño to ask for his vote in committee re the Turkey resolutrion recently) it doesn't on the floor.Pr4ever (talk) 22:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Thanks! SamEV (talk) 23:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removal of the words "non-voting". For the same reasons explained by Pr4ever.Dongolo (talk) 03:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent developments on status

This Puerto Rico article is currently subject to current events in regards to its political status. These events, as we all know, are inherently controversial, so we must exercise due care in maintaining verifiable and sourced facts, as well as a neutral point of view. I've seen sourced additions to the article which I welcome, but some are being used to possibly push an agenda. In the Recent developments on status section, sourced information about the Task Force report and AAV's response was added adding important insight to current developments. However, the wording stated that AAV's letter was a proclamation of official Puerto Rico government policy on the Commonwealth status, when the letter was actually a rebuttal criticizing the Task Force report.

The paragraph in question of the AAV letter (pg. 2, par.4) says the following: if the Task Force and the Bush Administration stand by their 2005 conclusions, then for over 50 years the U.S Government has perpetuated a “monumental hoax” on the people of Puerto Rico, on the people of the United States and on the international community.

However, the Wikipedia article stated the following: Referring to the current Commonwealth status, the pro-autonomy Governor (President of the Popular Democratic Party), recently proclaimed Puerto Rico is the victim of a "monumental hoax", a position shared by the remaining two-major parties: New Progressive Party and the Puerto Rican Independence Party. Thus, according to Gov. Acevedo Vila’s letter, the official Puerto Rico Government’s public policy with respect to the status of the country is: that “the US Government has perpetuated a ‘monumental hoax’ on the people of Puerto Rico, on the people of the United States and on the International community”. The bolding of text was included in the original text, against MOS guidelines, and the last sentence was included twice in the same section for reasons which I assume were errors during editing.

I have removed the text for the following reasons: first, and most importantly, the paragraph in the article is completely redundant to the paragraph that immediately followed it, which actually included the entire paragraph of the AAV letter and maintains a NPOV; and second, nowhere on the letter does it say that the official Puerto Rico Government’s public policy on the status issue is a monumental hoax, that was inferred by the user who added the paragraph.

I hope this explains my actions. Feedback is welcome. - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 15:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, because of the unique electoral results in 2004, AAV can't speak for the "Government" but for the branch that he heads, the Executive Branch, especially in political status-related matters. The NPP-controlled Legislature, as voiced by Senate Pres. MacClintock in his letter to Sec. Rice, does not believe that the US perpetrated a hoax at the UN in 1953 because it is their belief that the official US position did not include a false representation that the US believed that PR had ceased to be a territory. In fact, I heard him mention in an interview today that the new White House report and a response letter from the State Dept. confirmed the veracity of his position. Second, AAV's letter was simply a follow up to the apparently negative response by White House Task Force members to his Oct. 23 personal appearance, where he hads brought up the hoax argument.Pr4ever (talk) 03:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely to date with this, but didn't Acevedo Vila said something about not supporting the United States in international matters? I think that deserves mention. - Caribbean~H.Q. 15:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, but I haven't found a source. - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 17:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Section

Everyone please read WP:Lead to understand what a lead section is supposed to be. It is an overview of the article not a political rambling of what people might think about Puerto Rico.

This article's lead should mention sports, geogrpahy, culture, history, etc not just politics. Please let's work toward a proper lead. Joelito (talk) 11:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The most logical thing that I have read on this talk in months. - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I very much agree with this sentiment -- I found the lede to be in serious need of trimming, and that much of the material included there should instead be dealt with in the body of the article, if at all. I made a few minor changes in that direction, but I lack the knowledge of the subject required to do an in-depth re-working, and in any case I'm hesitant about traipsing through this particular political minefield. Somebody, however, needs to do it, and quick, before WikiTaggers come by and slap a half-dozen or so clean-up tags on it. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 13:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone familiar with IPA spelling add the adecuate one to this article? - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WAY TOO LONGMantion (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph moved here from Political status within the United States section

I moved the following from the Political status within the United States section of the article:

Current status legal restrictions apply only to the Puerto Rico territory, but not to its citizens. Any US Citizen, even those born in PR, may vote for the US president and US Congress from any other part of the world. Conversely, no US citizen may vote for federal level positions from Puerto Rico. This is why many thinkers believe the territory is treated by the US Congress as colonies.

This paragraph, as written, is supported by a cite of

Trias Monge, Jose; Puerto Rico: Trials of the Oldest Colony in the World; Yale University Press; ISBN: 0300071108.

I have not seen the supporting cite, but the paragraph itself strikes me as badly distorted by PR-centric POV. It might be made more correct by rewriting it something like the following:

Current status legal restrictions apply only to US citizens residing outside of the 50 US States and the District of Columbia. Any US Citizen may vote for the US president and US Congress from any part of the world, including Puerto Rico, if (as a practical matter) that citizen maintains a residence in one of the 50 US States. No US citizen not maintaining such a residence, barring certain exceptions such as those made for members of the U.S. Uniformed Services, may vote at the federal level. This is why many thinkers with a PR-centric POV believe the territory is treated by the US Congress as colonies.

Actually, rather than correct it by removing PR-centric POV, I think this is best simply left deleted. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Watch your words, "PR-centric POV" is a baseless accusation how would you feel if somebody said your work is based on American-centric POV or Phillipine-centric POV its better for you to stay away from this page as its quite apparent that you have a POV of your own. 24.138.194.251 (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Scuse me. I wasn't trying to insert a pro-PR or anti-PR or pro-US or anti-US or pro-anything or anti-anything POV on this. I was trying to use the suffix "-centric" ("pertaining to or situated at the center; central.") in "PR-centric POV" to communicate my impression that the writer of this paragraph apparently places undue weight on the importance of a person's PRican (vs. unPRican) attribute here. My understanding is that the presence or absence of this particular attribute matters not at all in the determination of voting rights. My inference drawn from the paragraph, which my use of the term "PR-centric POV" implied, is that the writer likely places more weight on the presence or absence of this attribute (makes it more "-centric") than it deserves in other cases as well, rather than only in regard to the question of voting rights. Perhaps the inference, and the implication following therefrom, was unjustified. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate statement

Politics\Government The following statement is inaccurate:

Because no federal elections are held in any of the unincorporated territories, Puerto Rico does not have electors in the United States Electoral College.

The root cause that Puerto Rico does not have electors in the United State Electoral College is that the U.S. Constitution does not allowed because Puerto Rico is not a state. I refer you to the Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution that permit the District of Columbia have representation in the Electoral College.

Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct: A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

This amendment does not make the District of Columbia a state and does not grant it representation in the United States Congress.

In Puerto Rico although have federal elections governed by the Federal Election Commission to the Resident Commissioner in Washington that represent Puerto Rico in the U.S. Congress and the Presidential Primaries or Caucuses of the Democrats Party and the Republican Party since is not a state as required by the constitution (except the District of Columbia) does not have representation on the electoral college.

Reference: Federal Election Commission (Federal Elections are held in U.S. Territories). http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2008pdates.pdf

I propose this replacement statement:

Puerto Rico although have elections governed by the Federal Election Commission. ^[1] ^[2] Like the Resident Commissioner election and the U.S. Presidential Primaries or Caucuses of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6]. By the reason that the U.S. constitution just grant presidential electors to the states (with the exception allowed by the Twenty-third Amendment (1961): that Grants presidential electors to the District of Columbia) is not granted presidential electors to Puerto Rico in the United States Electoral College.

What is being talked about?

The whole bottom portion of the first section, about "the political relationship with the U.S." is so obsessed with dates and names of agencies and organizations that it excludes any actual meaningful content. Such as:

What did the Task Force conclude?
What belief is it that the President is standing by?
Why is the Task Force conclusion controversial to the PDP?
How do the findings differ from the PDP's understanding?

- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 21:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official and Unofficial Symbols

I have modified the Symbols/Emblems/whatnot section, eliminated the reference to "National" (or the alternative "State", "territorial", etc) and left the reference to "Official", when established by law, or "Unofficial", when established by tradition. Pax portoricensis! Pr4ever (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commonwealth status

This sentence seems to confuse the two meanings of the word "Commonwealth." Four US States (i.e. KY,PA,VA,MA) are called "Commonwealths" but this makes them different from "States" in name only. See Commonwealth (United States) for more clarification. I changed it to make it clear that Puerto Rico had less autonomy than regular US states.

"However, it also has less autonomy at the federal level than other American commonwealths, such as the Commonwealth of Virginia or the Commonwealth of Kentucky." —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedShiftPA (talk • contribs) 01:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The word Commonwealth regarding to Puerto Rico must be understood in relation to the official name in spanish (Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico) translated into English: Associated Free State of Puerto Rico (state as in country, not as in federated US state or province). See also Irish Free State which was a name used by Ireland before becoming a republic. --Royptorico (talk) 23:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plazas

Shouldn't the fact that all municipalities have a "plaza" that have a catholic church and an "alcaldía" be mentioned somewhere? Maybe only the churches can be mentioned in the religion section. Maybe you don't think it's relevant. It's kinda sad to see that the biggest part of the article is about politics. Being that politics is a big issue in PR it seems that its hard for editors to focus on other facts and descriptions. Just my opinion. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 02:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree but please note that not all towns have city halls/alcaldías in front of the town plaza. Examples: Las Piedras, Gurabo, Yabucoa Pr4ever (talk) 04:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do all still have a catholic church that you know of? ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 17:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

San Juan also has its city hall and plaza relatively distant from the Cathedral. And, yes, there are Catholic churches in every municipality. --Agüeybaná 20:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accurate information on religious groups in Puerto Rico.

There is no source used in citing the oft-mentioned 85% that are Roman Catholics. The 85% defies reality, while it might amount to the number of baptismal records, there are many protestant churches present that in many cases, outnumber the traditional Catholic churches. The presence of protestantism predates the spanish-american war, in one town, circa 1877, a protestant immigrant began to teach the bible to a small group of locals and they became known as "los biblicos". Protestant denominations from the US began their activities on the island as of 1898, each within their assigned areas. These same groups, although still very visible, have been outnumbered by the many local denominations that reflect the local culture. In 1984, in the largest protestant groups' (IDDP) biennial conference, some 400 churches were accounted for within the island. Breaking it down per municipality, it amounts to some 4 churches per municipality.66.231.160.142 (talk) 17:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source is the CIA Factbook [4]. Joelito (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

interconfessional?!?!

I dont think that this is a word in engligh. Can it be changed or linked to something? 134.134.136.2 (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although I do not know which language "engligh" is, in English, the word interconfessional does exist. in·ter·con·fes·sion·al [in-ter-kuhn-fesh-uh-nl], adjective: common to or occurring between churches having different confessions.

In any case, if you don't trust this definition, just do a google search of the word. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 17:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA

This really no longer meets current GA requirements. The WP:LEAD alone is excessively long, plus much of the article is unsourced. Then I'm reading the history section about the 1950 uprising, then its time to go back several years to governance changes, then on to immigration, and then back to 1950 to an assassination attempt the day after the uprising begins. I'm guessing the revolt and assassination are related, and if not that needs to be spelled out, see Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Make omissions explicit for other editors. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*sighs, head down* I must admit the article has gotten out of control, adding undue emphasis to post-1952 politics, including repeating issues and adding assertions where they don't tie into the flow of information. I'll review the article to make the changes. If you could give me a week before nominating at GAR, I'd appreciate it. - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 15:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, take a couple weeks, its a big article. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language Section Needs Edit

The last sentence of the opening paragraph is senseless and should be removed: "The Spanish of Puerto Rico is well known for some interesting linguistic features." Interesting linguistic features as opposed to the Spanish of Spain, Argentina, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, or maybe Cuba?

The statement also begs the question, well known to whom? The fact that there is not a single reputable source that can be ascribed to that statement definitely argues for its deletion.

--128.103.235.128 (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rephrased. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 21:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

Section "Transportation", 2nd paragraph. "...and is a major hub in he Caribbean. The most recently renovated ..." he = the Rkinci (talk) 08:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 14:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bermuda Triangle

Do you guys think that the fact that Puerto Rico forms part of one of the three point boundaries of the Bermuda Triangle should be mentioned somewhere in this article? Maybe in the Geography section? ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 03:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is basically trivia. Not worth mentioning, in my opinion, in the article. Joelito (talk) 13:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about adding a "See also" section with links to Puerto Rico's "Did you know?'s" which could list that and stuff about the Chupacabra and so on? Well, now that I think of it, there is a link to the Portal which already has something like this. I just think there are so many interesting things related to Puerto Rico and it's kind of hard to get to or find it if you don't already know about it and expressly look for it. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 13:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a link to Did you know in the see also section. Joelito (talk) 15:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apples to oranges to papayas

The economy section was comparing three very different entities and trying to draw a conclusion based on this comparison. Apples to papayas: Per capita GDP is different from median household income - in three different ways:

Per capita means "per person". "Household" implies anywhere from 1 to ... use your imagination... many people.
Per capita GDP divides total GDP by the number of people and thus implies an average (mean). "Median" is a different concept.
GDP is the total value of all goods and services produced by a state. Income is how much money people have to spend (before taxes).

Apples to oranges: Per capita GDP vs. $14,412 from the Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund: Promoting Justice for Latinos. I didn't find this in the source, and it seems a little low. I think we would have heard about it if the growth rate of the economy had been greater than 11% for the past four years. Maybe both numbers are wrong, though.

I tried to clean it up to compare GDPs, as I didn't find information on income for Puerto Rico. Ufwuct (talk) 23:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

Why is the size of Puerto Rico compared to US states such as Connecticut? Wouldn't a comparison to nearby islands make more sense? There is no reason to assume that every reader of the English articles of Wikipedia knows the general size of US states; indeed, it changes the perspective of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.154.29 (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think it would make more sense to compare the main island with Hispaniola and Jamaica seeing that they are a lot more easier to compare in a geographical map, but when Joel removed it under that argument it was quickly restored back, unfortunatelly as is the case with many other issues in this page most edits are politically based. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As HQ said above I believe that a geographical comparison with the Greater Antilles is more appropiate than with a US state. However, some people believe otherwise. A quick look in any book will reveal comparisons with the Greater Antilles. Joelito (talk) 12:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. A comparison with Connecticut would be appropriate if this was a text aimed solely for people from the US. Although I'm sure that the majority of the people who read this could be from the US, I don't think that's the aim or purpose of this article. --Madgirl 15 (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Rico - Name

In an article for Primera Hora, Jesús Omar Rivera indicates that the island was named Puerto Rico by Juan Ponce de León after finding gold in the bay of San Juan. Should I wrestle that into the article's history section? ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 17:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should go for it. I wanted to find another source to back this up and did. See: http://fcit.usf.edu/Florida/lessons/de_leon/de_leon1.htm It's probably aimed at younger students but it's from a resource provided by a University so I think it's valid. --Madgirl 15 (talk) 01:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OTEC near Punta Tuna

There's a cool fact about Puerto Rico that might be possible to place somewhere in the Geography section. Puerto Rico has one of the most ideal locations for a method for generating electricity/renewable energy called Ocean thermal energy conversion (OTEC) located at less than 2 miles from the shore of Punta Tuna in Maunabo. See Renewable Energy from the Deep Ocean. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 00:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, a single plant can produce 800 million KW in electric output, it should be mentioned in geography, we already mention the trench but there isn't much oceanic information outside of that. I remember hearing that Puerto Rico is the only place in the world where fluorescent water can be observed throughout the year but I have no idea where to find a reliable source for that. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If by "fluorescent" water you mean bioluminescent water, it can be seen on moonless nights at Mosquito Bay in Vieques, the Punta Las Cabezas Lagoon in Fajardo and the Phosphorescent Bay in the La Parguera area of Lajas, the latter being the most polluted and less luminiescent of the three.Pr4ever (talk) 04:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fluorecent, bioluminicent, radioactive... they all glow, the only difference is that "bioluminicent" has a "biological" factor behind it, anyway I was thinking about "Flourecent bay" which is a term that I have heard in the past. However, the relevant aspect is that Puerto Rico may be the only place in the world where this can be observed the entire year. - Caribbean~H.Q. 14:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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