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"Racism is a relatively modern concept"

New to Wikipedia, not sure if I'm doing this right, but someone should change this statement because it's a completely absurd and ridiculous statement. Racism goes back probably to the dawn of mankind. For more "recent" examples check history of persecution against jews, which dates back hundreds or even thousands of years.

The rest of the section is problematic also. "arising in the European age of imperialism, the subsequent growth of capitalism, and especially the Atlantic slave trade".

Another ridiculous statement... "arising"... "capitalism". Racism existed way before European Imperialism and capitalism, and the arabic slave trade of blacks existed before whites got into the market. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreaskarlsson83 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

As the cited source explains, racism is not the same as ethnocentrism. Further, racism is contingent on the acceptance of racialism, which is relatively recent. Your example of Jewish persecution is reasonable, but categorizing Jews as a race, instead of as a religion, or an ethnic group, or even as a loose collection of different ethnic groups, is controversial.

Your example of Arab slave trade is often cited on the internet, but is far from as simple as you are presenting it, and I would suggest looking at some of the sources at that article for more.

"Race" itself is ambiguous, and can mean radically different things in different contexts. Racial categorization, as opposed to ethnic or tribal categorization, is tied to capitalism, per sources, and is relatively recent. Grayfell (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Slavery was originally, throughout history, a humane effort to avoid killing all prisoners of war outright, but rather merely enslaving them. The Arabs enslaved prisoners of war whether they were white, black, or yellow. So, earlier, did the Romans. The idea of race (as distinct from tribe, which goes back to the dawn of time) cannot be traced back to earlier than the age of imperialism, where racism was used to justify the exploitation of entire peoples based solely on skin color.

It is true that, quite recently, the term "racism" has been extended to other forms of bigotry, such as religious bigotry, but this is not the way the word was originally used.Rick Norwood (talk) 21:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Race Baiting

This concept was merged into Racism, but then not a single reference to it is found in its supposed new home. Why is this? Asgrrr (talk) 12:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Since this article is protected beyond my grade, I propose the following:

New item/chapter 2.8 in the article:

Race-Baiting is to utter or publish unfair statements about race, in the hope of provoking a negative response. Race-Baiting can consist of a racist attack on individuals or a population group, or portraying same as victims in a racial context without sufficient foundation. Race-Baiting can be compared to online trolling. Asgrrr (talk) 19:44, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I am in agreement that race baiting is definitely racism. In fact I think it is one of the worst forms (of racism) at the moment. It very often means stepping on the toes of those who are indeed against racism. I think (I would imagine) a lot of race baiting is directed towards "white people". It should be tackled as a very serious issue these days. Too often we are seeing race being inserted into the equation where it does not actually belong. An example could be a cop using excessive force against a suspect. If the cop is white and the suspect is black this does not automatically imply racism... it is just a cop and a suspect who has been arrested (and possibly treated brutally).--92.238.227.68 (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

See also

+ Historically black colleges and universities

23.121.191.18 (talk) 09:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Racism and coronavirus

There have been report of Asian-looking people being attacked because they are accused of spreading coronavirus. A baby at a store was stabbed, for example. This has been described as racism, but does the current definition in this article accommodate it?

"Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity."

23.121.191.18 (talk) 09:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The intro is disingenuous, the word "racism" is not some refined complex meaning word - at least anymore - it means prejudice involving race

The standard dictionary definition that pops up in a Google search and is in the intro is better than the part describing racism as a refined word about the significance of race. That dictionary definition that is in the current into defines racism as "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior".

This stuff about humans being distinguished by race can technically be identified as "racism" in the sense of an "ism" focused on race but the term that better describes that today is the term "racialism". This could be seen as splitting hairs, and it may be, but in modern political vocabulary "racism" is always associated with that that dictionary definition I described above explains, it is not about some nuanced analysis of the idea of race, the term as used now is about prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism involving race as described in the dictionary definition above. Earlier usage of the term in the manner used to what is now known as racialism could be briefly mentioned with a redirect to that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.44.55 (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

We are not a dictionary. And we go by what reliable sources say about a topic. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2020

In the last paragraph of the Ideology section, in the second sentence, change "address" to "addresses" (subject-verb number agreement [the Declaration addresses]). 108.223.8.32 (talk) 09:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Repair 2 dead links: ref name="KurzbanToobyCosmides2001ErasingRace"

Please repair the 2 dead links below (results from Internet Archive are provided). Thanks.

Dead Link #1

  |title=Can race be erased? Coalitional computation and social categorization
  |url=http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/papers/eraserace.pdf
+ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080615041555/https://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/papers/eraserace.pdf |archive-date=2008-06-15 |url-status=dead

Dead Link #2

  |title=(untitled)
  |url=http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/erasingrace.htm
+ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080627070117/https://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/erasingrace.htm |archive-date=2008-06-27 |url-status=dead

Chronull (talk) 03:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 04:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

The term "race" doesn't come from arabic or hebrew of which the aforementioned words ra' or rosh are unreleated to any concept of race but from old italian "razza", evolving from latin "radix" meaning root. https://www.etymonline.com/word/race Augure (talk) 02:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Read the source again: "Etymologists say no connection with Latin radix 'root,'"...

If you have a specific wording change, please quote the current wording in the article, and then propose new wording that better reflects information in reliable sources. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)