Talk:The Debarted: Difference between revisions

look leave the trivia section alone already, quite rearranging shit.

1. Assume good faith
2. It is not a trivia section as trivia sections are discouraged under Wikipedia guidelines
3. It is unsourced
4. It is not in any way notable for inclusion, they used a song, so what?
5. Please sign your comments by typing ~~~~ The Dominator (talk) 02:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

1. i assume nothing when it comes to wikipedia,
2. you knew what i meant...
3. well look who's the one not Assume good faith
4. by that logic nothing is
5. i'm aware of how it goes Blackdragon6

1. Then you risk being blocked
2. Fine... but I wrote that because you're using it as a trivia section
3. I think you do not understand the concept of good faith properly
4. Not sure what you mean? Episode guidelines discourage song listing
5. Then why didn't you in your last comment? The Dominator (talk) 03:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Other wikieditors: help

As anyone who has seen The Departed knows, the last line made by Wiggum was an explicit reference to the symbolism of the rat in the movie The Departed. I attempted to put this in but Ctjf83 kept reverting my edits first stating I needed a source (which I did add) and later saying that the source was not good because it didn't say that the line in the Simpsons refered to the movie The Departed (which is completely ridiculous since again, it is such an explicitly obvious line meant to go "by the way, if you didn't notice yet, this was a parody of The Departed"). Now a second account is reverting my edits and left messages on my talk page (which I blanked but you can check the history) by a user called Momusufan but is still signing as Ctjf83. Can anyone with a better wiki-fu than I tell me if people are allowed to create dual accounts to back up their primary and help me out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk) 05:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI, I have no relation to Ctjf83 first of all, second, you are violating WP:3RR by continuing to add false information into the article. If you continue to add false information, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Momusufan (talk) 05:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm hardly creating dual accounts, so get that out of your mind. Momusufan has an extensive history, so it is obviously not me. When people use sock puppets they are using either IPs, or an account with a new edit history, not a user whose edits go back 10 months, with over 3059 edits. Read Wikipedia:Citing sources to understand what needs to be cited. Just because it is obvious to you, doesn't mean it is obvious to everyone, so that is why it needs a source. The source you find needs to say the rat in The Debarted is a reference to the rat in The Departed! Ctjf83Talk 05:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

First off, sorry, one of his edits was a revert on my talk page but I didn't see it was a revert so I thought you were posting using a second account. A complete and utter mistake on my part. Second, to Momusufan, adding false information, what abosolute ridiculousness for you to think that. Shame on you first of all for assuming that information was false and you obviously have never seen The Departed or read anything about the topic. And let me ask you this: if the show goes "rat signified obviousness" and the director of The Departed says "the rat signifies obviousness" and the entire show is a parody of The Departed, what evidence are we lacking? If you're looking for a source that says "the final quote is a reference to The Departed" than why was the trivia bit about "this Simpsons show was a parody of The Departed" allowed when it also is not sourced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk • contribs)

It's not necessary to say that, it already says that the episode makes references to the Departed and that's enough. I also suggest you read some of Wikipedia's policies to learn more about editing. The Dominator (talk) 05:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

What source is there that says "this is a parody of The Departed." This is what I don't get. Why is the one unsourced (though screamingly obvious) factoid allowed but the other (screamingly obvious) factoid not allowed? It seems to me to be a double-standard here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk • contribs)

Why? Why do we need to include it? We know it's a parody of The Departed! The Dominator (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Source? This is incredibly hypocritical that some sourced statements are allowed and some others (which actually are sourced) aren't depending on the mercurial whims of the editors. What source do you have that says "This was a parody of The Departed"? None. And of course not since it is so incredibly obvious that you shouldn't have to source it. In the same vein, the end line is the one explicit reference to the film and was probably confusing for those that haven't seen the movie. However it is beyond ludicrous that though the implicit reference to the movie need not be sourced, the explicit (and confusing for those that haven't seen the movie) reference has to have a source. It's ridiculous and a double standard; either both references should be allowed or neither. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk) 05:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, like Dom said, it already said it parodies The Departed. I've never seen it, so it isn't obvious to me. Everything that is similar in the movie and the episode doesn't need to be said. We said it is parodied once, and that is enough. We could probably have 20 things that were parodied, but saying it once is enough! Ctjf83Talk 06:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This is utter hypocrisy! You don't need a source to say that this was a parody of The Departed but when I note that the last line is an explicit reference to the symbolism of The Departed (since otherwise, people might not get the line) as opposed to the implicit reference of the episode and I provide a source, it isn't good enough. This is complete hypocrisy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk) 06:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we just end this little dispute please? It's going nowhere. Lets please try and come up with consensus to this dispute. I agree with Ctjf83 about saying it's parodied once, lets just leave it at that. Momusufan (talk) 06:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Please remain civil. Your reference said absolutely nothing about the Simpsons episode. Thus it is not valid. A source is needed to say it parodies the Departed, because again, I haven't seen it, so I wouldn't know, and lots of people wouldn't know. Ctjf83Talk 06:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Just forget about it, is there a specific reason why that needs to be included? The Dominator (talk) 06:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

For the fourth time: "it's an explicit reference to the symbolism of the movie that will go above the heads of anyone who hasn't watched the film." My mistake when editing the article was that I should have further explained that "the last line of the show is an explicit reference to the symbolism of the rat seen at the very end of The Departed as opposed to the implicit references throughout the episode" instead of just saying it was from The Departed. Let me ask you people this: have any of you seen the movie? Those who haven't, did the final line make sense to you?

Dominik has a point, you did say it's already referenced so I wouldn't add it again. and to 72.1.222.140, keep your comments Civil. Read WP:Civil. Momusufan (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. You say my statement need to be sourced. Where is the source that says this episode was a parody of The Depared? Why is that unsourced statement allowed? And for the third time, as to why include it, it's an explicit reference to the symbolism of the movie that will go above the heads of anyone who hasn't watched the film. So people wondering what the last line was about will go here to find out. And how am I not being civil? and I wouldn't throw stones Momusufan, on this page it says of assuming good faith but you said that I kept adding "false information" which is itself patently false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk) 06:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Sigh! You've still not explained why it needs to be included. It says that it references the Departed, what else do you want? The Dominator (talk) 06:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I've decided to remove the reference to the line all together as it isn't essential to the plot. The Dominator (talk) 06:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thats a great idea Dom! It has nothing at all to do with the plot, and we don't list "one time" or quick jokes like that Ctjf83Talk 06:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

For the fourth time: "it's an explicit reference to the symbolism of the movie that will go above the heads of anyone who hasn't watched the film." My mistake when editing the article was that I should have further explained that "the last line of the show is an explicit reference to the symbolism of the rat seen at the very end of The Departed as opposed to the implicit references throughout the episode" instead of just saying it was from The Departed. Let me ask you people this: have any of you seen the movie? Those who haven't, did the final line make sense to you?

again, it really has no plot purpose...I just figured it was Ralph talk Ctjf83Talk 06:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)