Talk:United States Grand Prix: Difference between revisions

Non-Formula One races

The first line of this article says, "The United States Grand Prix is a Formula One event." I think including so many other US races that have used the term "Grand Prix" obfuscates the topic. I think it should be limited to F1 races, but I'm interested to know how others feel.

Rdikeman 21:25, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

The USGP has been an IRL race and part of various other series when the F1 folks weren't interested - IRL races are called Grands Prix as well. As this is the only USGP page I think it should record all winners of the event - perhaps with a clarification in the first line, "is currently a Formula One event" or whatever. User:Rdsmith4/Sig 18:54, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Every link to this page is Formula One specific. Please point me to an example anywhere on the web that includes non-F1 races under the topic "United States Grand Prix." Rdikeman 01:22, May 11, 2004 (UTC)

An event entitled "United States Grand Prix" was run at various (non-Indy) courses from 1908 to 1916 as part of the "American Grand Prize" series - see [1] for USGP history and [2] for general AGP information. A non-F1 USGP event appears to have occurred in 1958 though I cannot come up with confirmation from a quick Google search (winner Chuck Daigh in a Scarab car). Apparently the Indy 500 was not clearly separate from the USGP through the 50s.

As for the other F1 grands prix held in the USA (USGP West / Long Beach, Las Vagas GP, USGP East / Detroit, Dallas GP), perhaps they should get their own pages which include the results from F1 and non-F1 races. User:Rdsmith4/Sig 00:25, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

The American Grand Prize races of the early 20th century deserve their own article. While the Indianapolis 500 counted in the Formula One World Championship from 1950-1960, it was not a "Formula One" event since the cars did not meet the "formula." Very few F1 drivers ever participated, and its inclusion was simply a lame attempt to justify the title "World Championship." The 1959 race at Sebring was the first World Championship event held in the United States with Formula One cars and drivers, and it is typically listed as the first running of the United States Grand Prix, as the term is usually understood and used today.

Certainly, I think it would be great to have articles about the great American road racing venues, including Sebring, Long Beach, Detroit, etc. and all the different types of events that have been held there. I just think the term "United States Grand Prix," while used in other ways (including motorcycle races and horse jumping), is most commonly understood to refer to a Formula One event that has been held at several different locations as part of the World Championship. Rdikeman 01:42, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

I have returned the results from all the United States Grands Prix to the table of winners. This does not include the USGP East/West or Las Vegas GP, which now have their own pages, United States Grand Prix East, United States Grand Prix West, and Las Vegas Grand Prix. The single Dallas F1 race was officially titled USGP, so I added it to the USGP results chart.

This means that there are non-F1 results there as well. I maintain that they belong on the USGP page since they were, in fact, United States Grands Prix. I have changed the opening sentence to indicate that it is not just an F1 race. Since USGP refers most commonly to the car race, the motorcycle and horse jumping events mentioned above should be disambig'ed accordingly if anyone ever creates articles on them. I hope this is all satisfactory. User:Rdsmith4/Sig 05:45, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Race Reports

Links to a "report" on each individual running of the USGP have been added to the article, and I have created one for the 2003 event, but I need a bit of a nudge from the "community" to feel comfortable about creating 40+ more. I have reports that I wrote for other sites and can easily adapt them to appear here, but is this material appropriate for an encyclopedia? Please take a look at the 2003 article and let me know what you think about having a similar one for each USGP event. Thanks, Rdikeman 14:24, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

2005 race + opinion

"Many doubt that a United States Grand Prix will be held in Indianapolis again"

The race isn't over yet, and though it's a fiasco, isn't that coming to a conclusion too soon? --Madchester 19:02, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

Why is MS given a Maris-like * ? He, and his team, followed the rules. Nothing is tainted about his victory. --SamC 02:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I added the *. What do you mean nothing was tainted about the victory? The race was run in substantally different cirumstances than a normal F1 race, and that made it significantly easier for MS to win. The fact that he only beat five other drivers, one of which was his teammate, is signifcant enough to warrant mention. --160.102.72.223 12:19, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree. A complete fiasco. And I think I it will be unlikely that we ever see a F1 race at Indy again but this is far from fact yet.