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I ask in all seriousness: Is Valmiki a historical figure, or a character of legend?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.199.133 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 9 July 2005

Removed to talk.

Removed following portion. Valmiki is a prime example in the disproof of the caste system as a religious system, seeing as he was a low-caste in the caste system showing this to be social rather than religious. Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him. This has been proven otherwise by a contemporary study carried out by the late Dr Julia Leslie of the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and is set out in her book Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki.

When Lord Rama asked Sita to leave his palace because the subjects of his kingdom suspected her purity during her abduction by Ravana of Lanka (present day Sri Lanka), she obeyed the wish of Lord Rama and the people and was granted sanctuary by Lord Valmiki at his ashram, which is located in Amritsar and is currently known as Ram Tirath. It is here that her children Lava and Kusha were born. Rohitbd 15:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Legend of Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra...

Removed the portion referring to Valmiki being unable to pronounce "Rama".

The legend that Narada asked Valmiki to chant Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra... which turns out to be the same as chanting Ra-Ma-Ra-Ma... (i.e., Rama's name) is incorrect, as this is applicable only when written (and perhaps only in English), since the name "Raam" (the 'aa' is phonetically the sound of 'a' in the word 'ah') is written as "Rama" in English. This is an artefact of trying to write Indic words in English. In Sanskrit and most Indian languages, the true pronounciation (phonetic) of "Rama" is Raam or Raama (the 'aa' is phonetically the sound of 'a' in the English word 'ah') - the last 'a' (which occurs after 'm') is not uttered. So, saying Raa-Ma-Raa-Ma (which is correct if the 'a' in 'Ma' is not uttered) is neither compatible with Ma-Ra-Ma-Ra..., nor with Maa-Ra-Maa-Ra..., nor with Maa-Raa-Maa-Raa.... Additionally the legend holds true only in Hindi and Marathi where Maraa indeed means dead (in Hindi) and die (in Marathi), so Ma-Raa-Ma-Raa... is compatible with Raa-Ma-Raa-Ma Rohitbd 09:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

When was Ramayan written by Bhagwan Valmiki Ji

Ramayan was written in Satyug. He taught the lessons of Ramayan to luv and kush also. So how that Ramayan reached to us when it was written at that time?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyam (talk • contribs) 12:17, 11 November 2005

Agreed. At least, that should reflect in this article as Indian perspective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

yes it true say premi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.253.216.113 (talk) 03:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Clean-up article

The article needs a large overhaul. For example, it constantly refers to the "Valmikis" which I'm guessing is a religious group, however they are not introduced anywhere in the article, but rather are just constantly referred to. Secondly, there is a lot of overlapping information regarding the Ramayan. Please keep in mind that a summary is not required - The Ramayana has it's own page. Finally, please refrain from using the name "Bhagavan/Bhagawan Valmiki" as it can be considered POV. Chopper Dave 01:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to know, what exactly is a POV? Valmikis are a group of devotees that follow the teachings of Bhagwan Valmiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (User talk:talk • contribs) 16:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

POV means "Point of View". Eg If I wrote "Jesus is God", then this called "POV", as it's would be from my POV. Wikipedia doesn't allow POV articles. All articles must be written with a neutral tone.

In regards to Valmikis, great, however the article doesn't note this. Also, what is the difference between Valmikis and Balmikis? Chopper Dave 21:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Bhagavan doesn't always need to mean God. In samskritaM, "paramAtmA" means the supreme God, and that is not often used with anyone with a physical body. Bhagavan, on the other hand, can also be used as a title to indicate that he/she knows significantly lot about God himself. Of course, Bhagavan is also used to to address God himself, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Valmiki/Balmiki

Balmiki is often the preferred way of spelling Valmiki by people from the state of Punjab in India. The correct spelling is Valmiki not Balmiki, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seema Chohan (talk • contribs) 23:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Valmikis/Balmikis is the name given to devotees that follow the teachings of Bhagwan Valmiki as portrayed in the Yogavasistha and the Ramayana. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.7.144.65 (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Discrimination by Hindus against the Valmiki community is still prevalent in modern day India. Please click on the following link:

http://onkar.blogspot.com/2006/10/im-dalit-how-are-you-this-is.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Legend about valmiki

I edited the birth history of Valmiki he is not robber as every one thinks he is called agni shrama. There is external link : moralstories. Bhagwan Valmiki is frequently and ignorantly labelled as a robber by Hindus, there is a tendency to over-look hard facts please see the articules by Dr Manjula Sahdev under Writings and Articules on the following link:

http://www.bhagwanvalmiki.com/main.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC) Further evidence of this disproof is also provided by a contemporary study carried out by the late Dr Julia Leslie of the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and is set out in her book Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 17:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the section on Valmiki's early life should be expanded to include all the various views on him as well as sources backing up these positions. e.g. adivasi assertions that Valmiki was either a Bhil or born in a Bhil house, vs. the story below... 173.70.192.62 (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)R.E.D.

Bhagwan valmik ji was the son of the great King Varuna.Valmiki was born into Raja Varun's family due to his request.Valmiki incarnated his divine self on this earth a numerous amount of times.Another time he incarnated himself was due to the request of his disciple Rishi Bhardwaj.Valmiki is considered as the almighty,the creator of the universe and all living beings.Before the world was created there was nothing but water Bhagwan Valmki sat on the lotus flower and created the universe. Valmiki was the first poet hence the name Adi-Kavi(which means prime poet).Valmiki is famous for composing the ramayan and the shri yog vasisht however the true versions of these books which hold the key to enlightenment are not available today they are available in an impure form.This is due to the numerous amount of changes and variations made by the Brahmins who injected false stories into them, such as Valmiki being ratnakara (a dacoit) who praised rama and achieved enlghtenment this did not have anything to do with Valmiki this was the story of Balmik batwara who was a dacoit Valimik and Balmik were two completely different people.This is explained in detail in the Shri Ramayan Ad Dharm Granth also known as Adi vasi Dharm Granth.(which means the Granth of the native people) This was all a plan to bring down the name of Valmiki the almighty god and to make Aryan king Rama worthy of worship. Because all of Valmiki's creations have been altered another Ramayan has been given to the world by Bhagwan Valmiki it is called The Shri Ramayana Ad Dharma Granth.this was given to the late sant satguru Gurdev Singh ji Maharaj in Sachkhand (heaven)and written on earth.It is a true holy book which contains not only the bani of Bhagwan Valmik but a numerous amount of Hindu gods such as Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva ji etc godesess such as Lakshmi, Parvati etc, The Sikh Gurus and other Sikhs such as Baba Jiwan Singh (Bhai Jaitha) who managed to capture the severed head of Guru Teg Bahadur Ji Jiwan Singh was of the Valmiki caste and the reicarnation of Matang Rishi as stated in the Shri Ramayan Ad Dharm Granth. It also has the Bani of Bhagats such as Dhanna Bhagat,Parlhad Bhagat,Kabir,Farid and it also contains the bani of Satguru Ravidaas who was the saviour of the downtrodden. It speaks very highly of Satguru Ravidaas and tells us how he made the River Ganges flow in the opposite direction.It brings together all religions it even refers to prophets of christianity and Islam and there is no form of discrimination unlike the Guru Granth Sahib which says Valmik is "The killer of dogs and lowest of low".It tells us how Valmiki created the world, how all gods such as Bramha,Vishnu,Shiva ji,Rama,Krishna, Hanuman etc bow to Bhagwan Valmiki and gives us proof that he is the almighty.This is the Ramayan in its purest form.whoever recites from the adi vasi dharm granth and abides by its rules will be enlightened and approach the gates of sachkhand. The Shri Ramyan Ad Dharma Granth as stated above was given to the late Sant Satguru Gurdev Singh Ji Maharaj in heaven.In the Sachkhand (heven) the holy Shri Ramayan Ad Dharm Granth was placed in water by Bhagwan Valmik ji and dissolved.Sant Gurdev singh bathed in this water therefore the Ramyana entered his body and dwelled there he had absorbed all the knowledge which was given to him by Valmik ji.It took 14 years for Sant Gurdev to write the Shri Ramayan.For Sant Gurdev Singh to write this was a miracle in itself because as a child coming from a poor Mazabhi sikh family in the punjab he was not able to go school, he had not been eduated whatsoever so how did he write this sacred holy book of all books? the answer to this is that Bhagwan Valmiki had chose him to fulfil this holy task and with the grace of Bhagwan Valmik ji an illiterate person was able to write the book of all books. This is a miracle as was when Valmiki had created Kush(the twin brother of Lav)out of hay also the time when the son of Draupadi, Abhimanyu was killed and crying at the gates of hell Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva ji and a numerous amount of other Gods were called to play the sankh(a large shell) for the gates of heaven to be opened for him but they were not able to fulfil this duty all the gods had said only the almighty Bhagwan Valmik can play the sankh to open the gates of heaven.So Bhagwan Valmiki was called and sankh was played and the gates of heaven had opened for Abhimanyu.This proves that Valmiki is the almighty,all knowing,creator of the universe and all living beings.Another time where Bhagwan Valmik ji's shakti(power)has been displayed is when the sons of Rama twins Lav and Kush two young boys defeated their uncles Shatrughan,Bharat and Lakshman and their whole saina(army)Sita cried and begged Bhagwan Valmiki to do something So Bhagwan Valmiki accepted Sita's request and prepared the first amrit(holy water) and showered the army of king Rama with it and were revived.Reference to this has even been made to this in the Guru Granth sahib Ji by guru Arjan dev "Har har har aaraadhheeai hoeeai aarog || Worship and adore the Lord, Har, Har, Har, and you shall be free of disease. Raamachandh kee lasattikaa jin maariaa rog ||1|| rehaao || This is the Lord's healing rod, which eradicates all disease. ||1||Pause||.This again proves Bhagwan Valmiki is god because only God holds the key to life and revivingsouls and only the amrit of Valmik can cure King ram chandra's army. After bringing back to life the army of Rama Chandra Bhagwan Valmik Ji buried the remaining Amrit (holy water) under a beri(tree)which is called the Dukh Bhanjni Beri.It was in Kalyug that it was discovered by Bibi Rajnhi who's disabled husband had seen crows dip into the sarovar which the holy water had formed and come out as doves due to seeing this he decided to jump in himself to cure his diseases.With going into the water it had freed him of all his sins and diseases and he came out cured.This is where the sikh golden temple now stands.The city in which the Amrit was buried had been named after this hence the name Amritsar.It is due to this that it is considered as the pavitar tharthi (pure land).Valmik Ji's ashram is also situated here . Valmik's Amrit was the first, before this there was no amrit and it is from there Guru Gobind Singh got the idea of Amrit and included it in his own sikh religion.According to the Ad Dharm Granth and also the sooraj Parkash Granth Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh were later incarnations of Lav and Kush they wer descendants of the Sodhi,Bedi dynasty the charan sewak(disciples that bow to the feet of guru Valmik)of Valmik ji.It is because of the amrit which Valmiki Ji had buried there that big temple complexes have been erected there it is all with the grace of Valmiki that this has been able to take place.

[edit] First Poet and the First Sloka

Some time after Narada left, Valmiki went to the river Ganga to bathe. A disciple by name Bharadwaja was with him carrying his clothes. On the way they came across the Tamasa Stream. The water in it was very clear. Valmiki said to his disciple, "Look, how clear is this water, like the mind of a good man ! I will bathe here today."

Valmiki was looking for a suitable place to step into the stream, when he heard the sweet chirping of birds. Looking up he saw two birds flying together. Valmiki felt very pleased on seeing the happy bird couple. Just then one of the birds fell down hit by an arrow. It was the male bird. Seeing the wounded one, its mate was screaming in agony. Valmiki's heart melted at this pitiful sight. He looked around to find out who had shot the bird. He saw a hunter with a bow and arrows, nearby. The hunter had shot the bird for food. Valmiki became very angry. His lips opened and words came out:

mAnishAda pratishTAtum samagah ssAshvatIssamAh yat krouncha mithunAdEkam sokam avadhIm kAma mOhitam

"You who have killed one of the bird engaged in the act of love, thus, may you not yourself live long!"

The form he used is called a 'sloka' in Sanskrit. It means a couplet. A sloka was born out of his mouth automatically in a mood of sorrow. [5]

Later Valmiki composed entire Ramayana due to the begging of Lord Brahma in the same meter that issued forth from him as a sloka. Thus this sloka is revered as the "first sloka" in Hindu literature. Valmiki is revered as the first poet, and the Ramayana, the first kavya.

This is all explained in much more detail and in pure form in the Shri Ramayana Ad Dharm Granth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.39.217 (talk) 22:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

5000 years

have tagged the statement about Valmiki being 5000 years old as dubious. pls provide a quote from the cite work to substantiate this claim. Doldrums 16:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

BHAGWAN VALMIK JI - OUR PATH FINDER

The life and times of Guru Valmik Ji are shrouded in history. Ancient Indian history, lacking authentic recorded material and frequently archaeological arti-facts, present us with a problem when analysing the period of Aryan and Dravicham struggle. History if one can call it history, was 'recorded' by this Victor Aryans who naturally depreciated the Nagas and Dravidians. I say 'recorded' because most of the hindu texts were first memorised and later after hundreds of years were written down with much distortion, mythical symbolism and sometimes down right lies. There is much chaff and little wheat in the Hindu texts but never the less it is still possible to piece together the life and mission of Guru Valmik from fragmentary evidence of the ancient texts and modern archaeology.

Guru Valmik is famous for - the Yog Vasistha and the Ramayana. The Ramayana and Yog Vaisitha in their present forms have had been completely distorted. We knew for a fact that parts of Ramayana were later deleted, distorted and added to by the crafty Brahmin priests and writers.

Here I quote Valmik who himself praised Ravana on several ocasions- 'Ravana was a great and good man. He was magnanimous and handsome. But he (Ravana) chastised Brahmins whenever he saw them performing Yagarns and drinking Soma juice.' (Ravana and his Lanka (Hindi) by Chander Parsad Yagiasu)

But in Hindu Ramayana's Ravana is described as a notorious demon king, while Valmik mentioned Ravana as a great learned man a great saint, a master of scriptures, I quote Ralph T.H. Graffith, translator of the important work of Valmiki Ramayana in English. Graffith has written in introduction of Ramayana of Valmik, 'There is every reason to believe that the seventh book (Uttar Kanda) is later addition.

Hence the original Ramayana of Valmik Ji is some what older and altogether different from Hindu texts. Ramayana is essentially the story of the so called Aryan expansion into South India. This expansion was facilitated by the use of iron tools and weapons and his use of iron in North and Central India was introduced round about 1000 BC and 250 years. Many people may disagree with the date of Ramayana but I have archaeological evidence.

I feel that in our community there is a tendency, from self respect viewpoint; to ascribe as older date as possible for Guru but this thinking can only discourage the younger generation from learning about their culture and history and hence it must be avoided.

Around about 1500 BC the Nomadic barbarian Aryans invaded N.W. India and over ran an already ancient, by decaying, civilisation later known as the Indus Valley Civilisation was renowned for many features it gave to the Indian society e.g. architecture, drainage system, waterlocks trade, system of standard weights and measures, granaries, written script, astronomy (the Nak-Shatrya system) medicine Lokayata philosophy etc. etc,. The first 10 chapters (mandalas) of the R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.37.231 (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I would beg to differ. I would think of two points here to raise:

• The Wikipedia, in my opinion, should reflect both perspectives of ancient Hindu beliefs and "modern" research and findings.
• When making such claims as above, or in fact any claims about ancient India, it would be good if we can quote some from ancient Indian texts themselves. Otherwise, the text on Wikipedia would remain as oriented towards western perspective.

First, I would like to have a list of links to publicly available resources, source of research for Julia Leslie's work "Authority and Meaning in Indian Religions: Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki". I have a lot of doubts in this context.

The name "vAlmIki" itself is so common, it cannot help a researcher to easily pin point the author of works like "shrImadrAmAyaNaM" in the vast history of ancient time. Also, from "shrImadrAmAyaNaM" itself, it is said it was never written. According to the same, vAlmIki just narrated the entire poem to lava and kuSa, the twins, who then spread the poem around.

From the "yOga vAshisthaM" and "SrImad rAmAyaNaM" works, Valmiki appears contemporaneous to vasishtha. "vEda vyAsa", who wrote "mahA bhArataM" along with many other works such as "purANA"s and "itihAsa"s, is said to be great grandson (at least) to vasitha:

vyAsaM vasishtha naptAraM SaktEH poutramakalmashaM parASarAtmajaM vaMdE Suka tAtaM tapOnidhiM

व्यासं वसिष्ठनप्तारं शक्तॆः पौत्रमकल्मषं पराशरात्मजं वंदॆ शुकतातं तपॊनिथिं

(I pay honor to vyAsa, who is son of parASara, grandson of Sakti and great grandson of vasishtha)

Though there are other factors, which I can easily pull out from the "yOgavAsiShTha" book itself, I would like to start with the fundamental question. If "mahAbhArataM" was written by "vyAsa", written around 400BCE (from Wikipedia itself, again based on western only perspective), how come vAlmIki live around 400BCE???

Also, from many Indian philosophers, "vyAsa" is a designation to someone who contributes a lot to Hindu dharma. This can be verified from "yOgavAsishThaM" itself. That is another side.

For responding to what should be reasonably latest date for Indian works, I would think of the ancient Indian philosophy "if someone does not want to believe, let them not". If we all have to believe that any and all culture, knowledge and civilization came in to existence only around Christian era, I am not entirely sure if any of Indian intellects comprehend with that. Many intellects with open mind strongly believe rich cultural heritage of India has it's roots much much more deeper than Christian era.

Also, as many a research support Aryan Invasion theories, so are enough to prove it otherwise.

When talking about ancient Indian topics, particularly the ones like the current ones, I would ask for both Indian and Western opinions to be presented to the reader without taking any side.

I would propose to add the following to the article, please let me know your objections.

== The Indian Perspective ==— Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:13, 26 August 2010

Statement in intro

A statement keeps being added to the introduction by an editor. This statement reads, "Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him. This has been proven otherwise by a contemporary study carried out by the late Dr Julia Leslie of the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and is set out in her book Hinduism and the Case of Valmiki" This statement begins with some original research, "Valmiki is wrongly said to have been a forest brigand, till the day Narada enlightened him." I do not know where this is from. Also, Dr Julia Leslie's book may be a reliable source, but exactly how and what she proved "otherwise" is far from clearly stated. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Julia Leslie's work is a reliable source (WP:RS) but the anonymous editor needs to study the text to understand what is said there. The offending statement (that Valmiki was a "forest brigand") wasn't in Valmiki's original text. It came from later writers, and thus it became a story habitually attached to Valmiki. The anonymous edit introduces a distracting and extraneous issue here.Fconaway (talk) 22:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Kindly give the source of information, research resources and other reliable information based on which Julia Leslie's work is based on. The book itself is not available in public domain. Also, while there are millions of books from Indian intellects, it is really interesting why none of them is mentioned here, at least to reflect Indian belief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guttina (talk • contribs) 13:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

The contentious Sambuka story

I have removed the following text:

"This stage also produced a pronounced emphasis on Varna- Dharma: Sambuka, the Sudra ascetic, is killed by Rama in order to bring a Brahmin boy back to life."

Reason for this edit is that Sambuka story is highly controversial, and there is no established authority to say either/or. The Hindu circles don't believe that this incident took place, where as the non-Hindu circles, especially the christian missionary circles, continue to believe and spread this story as a fact in India. Either way, in order to put this incident here on the Wikipedia, a strong "factual" reference is needed as per Wikipedia editing guidelines. No point in putting things here on hearsay.

R. Patel (talk) 03:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

VAlmiki Tirath - Amritsar

I believe that the article must have information about Valmiki Tirath, Amritsar. This is the place where Valmiki Ji gave shelter to Mata Sita and where Lav and Kush were born. This is the place where he completed Ramayana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No reply ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

If I do not recieve reply to this discussion then I will have to add Ram Tirath part into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.223.161 (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Indian Perspective

I am planning to add Indian perspective and views of some of southern Indian intellects to this article. If anyone can contribute about northern Indian intellects perspectives, it would be great. I would like to first post the article here (below) and once it comes to a good shape, move it to the main article.

Also, those who have objections, please raise and discuss.

Guttina (talk) 13:37, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Moved to talk for discussion

Looks like we've conflicting sources, or is it different accounts perhaps? --Ronz (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Early life

Valmiki was son of Prachethasudu. His birth name was PRAACHATHASUDU(ref.VALMIKI RAMAYANA UTTARAKANDA AND SRI DEVIBHAGAVATHAM BY SRI VEDAVYAS). VAlmiki was never a robber or highwayman.(ref;punjab and Haryana highcourt judgement -The Times of india ,dated 22 May 2010).An authentic and reliable data was produced by Punjab University regarding the lifehistory of Maharshi Valmiki by making Research,considering all the available Vedas,puranas,Upanishaths etc; since A.D.9 th century.Valmiki was 7 th son of Prajapathi Prachethasudu.Valmiki told himself to Lord SriRama that he never spoke a lie nor did a sin but he did Thapassu for several years with which power he could Know all present,past and Future.In SriDevibhagatham VedaVyas wrote that Marshi Valmiki was his Guru from whom he learnt SRISARASWATHI Beejaashkara om Im Hreem Kreem Kleem .He also mentioned the Vamsha Vrushkam of Prachethasudu .The false stories written and published many other authors is not Authentic.(Prof.C.Gnaneswar- email id gchippagiri @yahoo.in mobile no;9440224383) PRACHATHASUDU went into a deep penance while reciting the Lord's name. Soon, an anthill grew around him. After a long penance, a divine light came upon him and said that he was free from all sins, and that he was to be called "Valmiki" from then(Valmiki meaning 'one who sits in an anthill' in Sanskrit). <ref name="Joshi"/> Rem achates (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC) I noted a slight discrepancy here when i read another post on Kayastha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayastha wherein Valmiki is referred to have been one of the 12 son's of Chitragupta and a mother with a different name. It leaves me a bit confused and one of the posts need correction. Rem achates (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2014

To whom it may concern

I have been reading the article on Wikipedia regarding Valmiki Religion and would like you to edit the content of the article.

I strongly dispute the article stressing that Valmiki was a robber and killed people before robbing them. This is not correct and whilst you have used the resources listed this is not a accurate reflection of the history.

It is not advisable to slander any religion or beliefs based on books that have recorded their accounts.

I would like this to be removed immediately.

Thank you. small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdevi13 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

The story is now part of the Uttara Khanda of the Ramayana. The reference and the article says so. There is no reason for removal. Also, the tale is regarded to be the archetypal example to demonstrate the power of God's name. Vaishnava saints (like Kanhopatra for example) refer to how the robber turned to saint by repeating God's name. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Genius Valmiki

Who do you think Valmiki influenced the most? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.160.66.154 (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

{{subst:RMassist|Valmiki|MaharishiValmiki|reason=Please change the title because Valmiki is the title of a schedule caste in India.you can verify here< http://socialjustice.nic.in/scorder1950.php?pageid=3> and this article is about the writer of Ramayana and this article'title shoes him as a caste.Some community worship him as a lord and this article hurts their feelings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.236.124.6 (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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{{subst:RMassist|Valmiki|MaharshiValmiki|reason=Please change the title because this article shows biography of Ramayana's writer Maharshi Valmiki Indian newspapers and Indian government also recognize him as Maharishi valmiki you can verify on given link

This articles subject is recogned as Maharshi Valmiki in india by government of india and indian newspapers

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Oppose His WP:COMMONNAME is Valmiki. Maharshi is a WP:HONORIFIC. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: declined (page not moved). Consensus is clearly against the proposal as per WP:HONORIFIC, WP:COMMONAME and the reliable sources referred to by editors opposing the proposal. The sources stated by the proposer (whose account has since been blocked for engaging in sockpuppetry) in support of the proposal are far less reliable, if in fact it can be said that they are reliable at all. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2015 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Valmiki → Maharshi Valmiki – because this article is about a saint whose common name is Maharshi Valmiki,i can give you 1000 ref links you can verify.>,as well as Mahatma Gandhi,The real name of Mahatma Gandhi is Mohan Das Karamchand Gandhi but his common name is Mahatma Gandhi even then Mahatma is also a honorific.the meaning of mahatma is 'Great Soul.Such like Mahatma Gandhi,The real name of this saint and poet is Valmiki,But his common name is Maharshi Valmiki.

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Volt60x (talk) 07:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:HONORIFIC, there are more than 1000 ref links which use the name Valmiki without "Maharishi". --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 07:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose (edit conflict) WP:COMMONAME [7]

• Britnnica
• The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism: N-Z
• Religious Celebrations: An Encyclopedia of Holidays, Festivals...
• [8] Encyclopedia of Hinduism
• [9] Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 07:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose per Honorifics as well as other references. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 11:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015

Your text say: As God's incarnation The Vishnudharmottara Purana says that Valmiki was born in the Tetrayuga as a form of Vishnu

The yuga is called "Treta" - not "Tetra".

217.209.214.87 (talk) 07:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- haminoon (talk) 08:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2015

Hi, in the 'valmiki' of english wikipedia, it is shown that the poet valmiki was given the name as he was meditating for many years and 'ant-hill' grow around him. But some other languages, eg:malayalam wikipedia, it is shown that it was not the 'ant-hill' but the 'termite-hill' was formed and such the name 'valmikam' was given. english version (The robber meditated for many years, so much so that ant-hills grew around his body. Finally, a divine voice declared his penance successful, bestowing him with the name "Valmiki": "one born out of ant-hills" (Valmikam in Sanskrit means Ant-hill).[5]) this is the malayalam version 'വല്‌മീകം' എന്നാൽ ചിതൽപ്പുറ്റ്. വല്‌മീകത്തിൽ നിന്ന് വന്നവൻ‌ വാല്‌മീകി ഇങ്ങനെയാണ് പേരിന്റെ ഉത്പത്തി എന്നാണ് പൊതുവേയുള്ള വിശ്വാസം. please clear this doubt.Thank you Dhinesh ravindran (talk) 15:17, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Amortias (T)(C) 19:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

DOB?

I am just wondering why no DOB is listed, even an approximation of any kind, and it seems nobody has tried to contribute anything on that note either? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.57.215.206 (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

On a quick search I haven't found any traditional date of birth associated with Valmiki. If someone finds some good source attesting to such a belief, it can be added to the article. Abecedare (talk) 16:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Abecedare, Thats why I wrote "He 'supposed' to be lived", I did not made firm statement. In pure sense, we can't say if such personality named 'Valmiki' really existed or he wrote some epic novels. Everything is based on mythological belief and as he said to be wrote Ramayana we can say that he may have lived during 1st mil BC when Ramayana said to be written, I'm not writing firm date, I'm writing big range. --Human3015 16:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Read article Ramayana, that article itself says with references that Ramayana is written around 4th-5th century BC, means in 1st mil BC. Thats why Valmiki is supposed to be lived in 1st mil BC. --Human3015 16:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Added his approx time period from reliable source.--Human3015 16:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Human3015: Broadly speaking there are two point of views to consider here:

• Historians/academic scholars who date the Ramayana to sometime in the first millennium BC and consider Valmiki to be a essentially a mythological figure (though there may have been a person responsible for compiling significant portions of the extant Ramayana; this is still debated).
• Traditional belief, which holds Valmiki to be a real person who lived in the times of Rama et al, ie in the Treta Yuga

The problem with the claim you added ("He supposed to be lived around the beginning of the first millennium B.C.") is that it took the belief of a "historical Valmiki" held by the the latter group and assigned it a date roughly in line with the findings of the former camp. This was not really your error, but more a problem with the source article itself, which is written by a a non-expert and is not a reliable source on the topic. As I said above, if we can find a reliable source on when Valmiki is believed to have been born, we can add it the article. A good place to search for such information would be scholarly writings on Uttara Ramayana, since that is the text in which Valmiki's own life is discussed in most detail. I'll try to look up some sources later today. Abecedare (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare:, we have to go by historians views, these treta yuga or Rama are mythological terms, As historians discovered timeline of India and earliest civilization was before 5000 years ago that is Indus valley. Treta yuga dates backs even before Indus valley. Historians do have proofs for their claims, Even if story written says it was happened millions of years ago, still historians or scientists can find out when really it was written. I can give more sources for that. --Human3015 17:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

To make it simple and to close this discussion, we can write both views, We can write that "According to mythology he born in Treta yuga(you can add specific epoch in this), and according to historians he lived around beginning of 1st mil BC." (And we can't insist for our personal views if one firmly believes in Hinduism as religion). --Human3015 17:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with much of what you say, except that you (as well as the about.com article) seem to be conflating the fact that Ramayana was composed in the first millennium BCE with "Valmiki lived in the 1st millennium BCE". To spell it out:

"Ramayana was composed in 1st millennium BCE" (as historians hold) + "Valmiki composed the Ramayana" (as Hindu tradition holds) ≠ "Valmiki lived in the 1st millennium BCE" (who exactly believes this?)

I support adding both the school of thoughts in the article. It is a matter of finding appropriate sources and wroding the claims correctly. Best to find and discuss these sources on the article talkpage, instead of potentially reverting each other repeatedly in article-space, especially since we broadly agree on what needs to be added. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The book source I have given is reliable and it is taken from article Ramayana and it has not got deleted or reverted there because it is reliable. 286 editors are watching Ramayana according to xtools. And all of them don't have any issue with that source. It is well established fact. And yes we should write both views. We can write it this way, "He supposed to be lived in Treta Yuga and contemporary of Lord Rama, while historians claims that he lived around beginning of first mil BC." Cheers, --Human3015 17:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Or this will be better, "According to tradition he lived in Treta Yuga and contemporary of Lord Rama while historians claims that he lived around beginning of 1st mil BC." --Human3015 17:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Can you explain how this source you cite (which while not the best available source on the topic, is fine for the purpose) supports the claim that historians believe that Valmiki "lived around beginning of first mil BC"? I believe we are talking past each other, and it would really help if you read my comments more carefully and let me know if something is not clear. Abecedare (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

This source, which I took from article Ramayana which has 286 watchers. According to you what should be the best source???

See well established Indian history starts with Indus valley-Buddhism-Maurya empire-many minor empires-Mughal empire-British India-Independent India. We have to fix Valmiki somewhere in this timeline. Mythological history may talk about treta yuga so we are writing about that too. If we only write about Treta yuga then western readers or science oriented readers will think that Valmiki was just a mythologocal figure and never existed. So we should write that historians proved his existence and he lived around 1st mil BC. Read source carefully which I provided and approved on Ramayana article.

You are saying well proved history is "debatable" but "Treta Yuga" is not debatable. We should write both real history and mythological history. Cheers. --Human3015 18:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Now read this source by BBC BBC-Ramayana which says Ramayana is more than 2,000 years old, now please don't deny BBC. It is most commonly used source on wikipedia. --Human3015 18:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

After BBC, now read The Guardian, read 5th paragraph which says, over 2 millinia Ramayana is inspiring everyone, so here also they are saying that it was written more than 2000 years ago. All sources I have provided saying that Ramayana written in 1st milinia BC. --Human3015 18:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

After BBC and The Gaurdian, this is reference by Oxford, read Oxford Reference- Ramayana which says Ramayana is composed in 300BC means again in 1st milinia BC.

Also read Britannica article on Valmiki Britannica-Valmiki which again says 300BC. also read Britannica-Ramayana, again 300BC --Human3015 19:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare:, I have given many reliable sources and now I'm making changes, and please don't revert sourced well matter. Cheers, --Human3015 19:48, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Please wait a day or so. It would be better to include well-sourced content based on scholarly sources on the topic, rather than popular news sources or brief mentions in tertiary works. As I noted above, I will be happy to look up the information when I can devote some time to it, ad it would be best to avoid edit-warring (or violating WP:3RR). Abecedare (talk) 20:07, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you think that Britannica, Oxford are not reliable? What else you want?? We are discussing since hours and no one is participating, for now don't revert my work because its highly sourced. If you still have some issues you can go to resolution board. How you can deny Britannica, Oxford, BBC and Guardian?? Please Don't involve in edit war or I have to go to dispute resolution for content. --Human3015 20:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Temple claims

I have just removed some stuff here that relates to a temple. The temple itself appears to be non-notable, the writing was mostly gibberish and the only bits that were sourced appeared to be extraordinary claims made by the temple. We really need independent sources, and things need to be fairly closely related to the main focus of the article, ie: Valmiki as a person. - Sitush (talk) 05:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Valmiki Temple section simply removed by sitush .Might be instead of temple if i add church he may get satisfy?!!.why that section should notbe appear here.Please tell ?!Eshwar.om^{Talk tome} 05:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Eshwar, the issue with the content again is sourcing and relevance. In particular, the first paragraph of the content you were edit-warring over cited the temple website, which quite clearly copied content from wikipedia's Marundeeswarar Temple article (the giveaway evidence being the sentence, "Inscriptions can be found in the shrine of Tripurasundari Amman dating back to the 11th century during the period of Rajendra Chola.[3][5]"). Such circular sources are disallowed on wikipedia. And the second and third paragraphs were verses that had no direct/apparent relation to Valmiki, the subject of this article. That is the reason the section was rightly removed.

That said, if you can find properly sourced information about temples dedicated to Valmiki, that would be worth mentioning in the article. Best to discuss the sources here though to avoid further edit-warring and disruption in article-space. Abecedare (talk) 05:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Date of birth of Sage Valmiki

In the introduction part of this article it says Sage Valmiki is believed to have lived between 300 to 100 BCE and references used for that are all western ones/foreign ones and it is now widely known that western so-called historians distorted the real history of India and presented Indians history to Indians in such a manner so as to make Indians believe that before the so-called Aryan invasion no civilisation really existed in this country. And the Britishers did this for two reasons: first to justify their colonial rule and second to prove that everything before 6000 years was simply a myth because this is what biblical myths say that universe was created 6000 years ago. But now with improvements in modern scientific tools and techniques we know that on both accounts British were wrong. No Aryan migration from Central Asia to India happened and universe is obviously not 6000 years old.

New and modern scientific research clearly reveals us that Lord Rama was born on 10th January 5114 BCE which is about 7029 years ago. This date was reached at by using advanced planetary positions telling softwares which uses the positions of various heavenly bodies as mentioned in the epic Ramayana. And through Ramaya we also know that Sage Valmki was a contemporary of Lord Rama. So it is clear that Sage Valmiki lived about 7029 years ago and not 2300 years ago as this biased article falsely teaches. And here is the evidence of latest scientific research on this subject - Historicity of era of Lord Rama 45.117.181.119 (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Historical information on Wikipedia is created according to reliable sources as defined in WP:HISTRS. The nationality of the sources is entirely immaterial. If you have WP:HISTRS sources that give different information, please provide their full citations. The above document does not meet the requirements. - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

In short only those sources are considered as reliable which support the western/Christian point of view and all non-Christian and non-western references and sources are unreliable, isn't it? And nationality of the sources is completely material because so-called historians paint history from their own brush which is often from the point of view of their own nationality. And unbiased and completely neutral point of view cannot be expected from such scholars. Many western people believe whatever they think is history is history because they want to prove that west is superior from antiquity to this day. So how can you expect neutrality from such people? Also it is now well known that the Britishers propagated the myth of Aryan invasion which has now been discredited. In short we can say Wikipedia is not unbiased but greatly suffers from biased point of view. It is a tool of western propaganda presenting itself as the greatest repository of human knowledge which is just a farce. By the way tell me is the universe 6000 years old? 103.18.72.20 (talk) 04:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2015

Please change 'Early Life' section to ' Sage Valmiki has written in Uttarkanda of Ramayana that :

प्रेचेतसोंह दशमाः पुत्रों रघवनंदन। मनसा कर्मणा वाचा, भूतपूर्व न किल्विषम्।।

means O Ram!! I am the tenth son of sage Pracheta has never done violence either by voice, heart or Karma. This shloka was said by the Sage Valmiki when introducing himself in the court of Rama when he brought the Rama's sons Love and Kush in front of him and talking about the sacredness of Sita. Maharishi Valmiki was never a dacoit- Punjab and Haryana High Court

Atuldhawan90 (talk) 05:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 09:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)