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A news item involving Viareggio train derailment was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 30 June 2009.

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Casualties

The two main italian newspapers (corriere and repubblica) both report 14 deaths, not 16. --Walkabout86 (talk) 21:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Italian article states 17 dead. I've seen a ref that says 14 dead and 3 missing, which would give 17. Best English ref we have at the moment states 16 dead. Total can be revised once it is confirmed. That is why there is a banner at the top of the article. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two more children have died, so now 16 are dead and 3 missing.[1][2] Mushroom (Talk) 07:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the death toll is confirmed at 18 or more, it will be the worst rail disaster in Italy since the Balvano train disaster in 1944. Mjroots (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the 1980 Lamezia Terme train crash took more lives (30 20 dead, ~100 injured). Mushroom (Talk) 09:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of it there. :-/ Mjroots (talk) 09:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed in the List of rail accidents (1950–1999), I'm looking for an English-language source. Mushroom (Talk) 10:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find it, but I have an Italian one: [3] It says 20 dead and 112 injured. It happened in Curinga, near Lamezia Terme. Mushroom (Talk) 10:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work there, ok, will keep eye on death toll. Could touch 20 yet. Mjroots (talk) 11:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Due to injuries (third degree burn on 40% or more in the body) of some people, 20 is an optimistic prevision.--79.25.173.225 (talk) 08:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another train involved?

The Independent mentions a second oncoming train. Did this train collide with the derailed wagon, or did it stop before a collision occurred? Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this article is out of date: after the accident there were 16 victims (not 13), yesterday there were 17 victims (someone has reverted to 16). All the oncoming trains were stopped in an safety distance.--79.25.173.225 (talk) 08:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I revert some Italian IPs changing 16 to 17 several times yesterday as any change requires a reliable source, else it's just rumour. This morning a source saying 18 deaths (albeit in Italian - there's no problem with this) as been added and I've updated the article. Agreed the deathtoll will raise over the next few days and weeks. Edgepedia (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doh, i forgot to insert an source yesterday... source--79.25.173.225 (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Fatigue

Axle breaks are commonly caused by fatigue, and some reference in the article would be relevant. Peterlewis (talk) 08:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst the photo shows evidence of metal fatigue, to claim that at this stage is WP:OR. Once a source states this, then we can add it in. We can state that the failure of an axle was the cause because the photograph has been published showing the failed wheel. Mjroots (talk) 09:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more cautious here. The photograph shows that an axle broke. It may not be the primary cause. Edgepedia (talk) 09:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Berlusconi

An IP editor removed the negative reaction to Berlusconi's visit (since reverted). It is important that Wikipedia accurately reports the facts, even if it does not show someone in a good light. Such reports to be reliably referenced per WP:BLP, as it is in this case. Mjroots (talk) 09:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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+An IP editor removed the negative reaction to Berlusconi's visit (since reverted). It is important that Wikipedia accurately reports the facts, even if it does not show someone in a good light. Such reports to be reliably referenced per [[WP:BLP]], as it is in this case. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 09:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)