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List of operas by Grétry

I'm wondering how you think we should (sort) tag the 'composed but unperformed' items (premiere date column)? (There are many of them in this table.) With performed operas by date, or separately? How have you done them in the past? Also how do you code vague circa dates? Thanks. --Kleinzach 01:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

On similar events in other lists I picked a sort tag which would correspond to the date of composition, with the aim of keeping the work in its position when sorted. E.g. for Grétry's Le connaisseur I would use {{Hs|1768-06-00}}. I have no firm views on this approach; it just seemd to me that this would preserve the chronology, which seemed more important to me than the unperformed attribute. Also, for neatness' sake, I like a table to have a sort term which will bring it back to its original order and "Première date" is normally the only column able to do that. Let me know if you want the unperformed works treated differently. Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm certainly in agreement with that, but how do you code a sort tag for say 'ca, 1783-1785'? --Kleinzach 03:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. I saw one tag with {{Hs|1939-99}}. What does that do? --Kleinzach 03:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The term {{Hs|1939-99}} indicates something at the end of 1939. The argument to {{Hs}} can be anything, and {{Hs}} is completely unaware of what you feed it. When it comes to sorting, a lot depends on the sort term in the first row, whether it's alpha or numeric. Something like "1803-02-15" is merely a compromise between a human-readable and a computer-sortable format. Instead of going through the elaborate creation of date-based {{Hs}} sort tags we could simply number the rows 1…n and have the same effect — until the table gets revised by adding a work or changing a date.

To your first question: Again, I would pick a term which would preserve the natural table order. E.g. in Grétry:

L’officier de fortune	{{Hs|1792-99-99}}
Roger et Olivier	{{Hs|1793-00-01}}
Séraphine …	{{Hs|1793-00-02}}
L'inquisition de Madrid	{{Hs|1793-00-03}}

Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. I've had a go at doing List of operas by Grétry. Hope I've got it right! --Kleinzach 06:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks alright to me. I hope you don't insert those sort fields by hand. As I wrote before, I have a tool which inserts date fields for complete dates automatically, leaving just partial dates to be done manually. Similarly for title and librettist sort terms (omitting (in)definitive articles and first names), a macro in my editor only requires a highlighted word and a key stroke will insert the appropriately filled {{Hs}} template. Admittedly, I have been sidetracked by a number of things recently and haven't worked on any list since 20 January, but I have not forgotten the project and will attend to remaining tasks of adding tags and re-ordering columns real soon now. Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes, I have been putting them in by hand. No rest for the technologically challenged . . . . Your help will be appreciated! --Kleinzach 07:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm starting on Telemann, Traetta, and Weill now. Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

If you thought Erwin Schrott was bad...

Take at look at this little brouhaha ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to add 'voice part' column to List of operas by Handel

You may remember we talked about the 'voice part' column in List of operas by Mozart and whether to do similar ones for other lists. There's been a proposal to do one for the List of operas by Handel. I'd be grateful if you could have a look here. P.S. I don't think those proposing this really understand fully what is involved, re castrati etc. --Kleinzach 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)