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Meelar (talk) 08:07, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Yuber. I think you may be being just a little too bold in adding Category:Arab history to the pages of the Arab countries. There is already a Category:History of the Middle East which links specifically historical articles about Arabs and others in the region.--Pharos 05:40, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

True, i guess with the Arab League category it is kind of redundant.--Yuber

Then do you mind if I delete this category?--Pharos 04:15, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No problemYuber 04:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Good to see someone editing more Arab-related topics. Have you checked out ar: yet? - Mustafaa 03:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey, although i speak arabic fluently, i'm not that good at writing or reading. I mean , i know how to work out words phonetically and i know all the letters but i am not proficient enough for something like an encyclopedia :(. Anyways, thanks for your encouragement, i'll continue editing arab-related topic here on the english site :).Yuber 03:58, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think you have a problem with the article I created called Islamic fascism. If you do perhaps you could discuss it with me. Walkingeagles 06:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Discussion forum for Souria.com

Hello Yuber. You mentioned in talk:Syria that their is a heated discussion in the English forums of Souria.com. I tried to find the link, but couldn't. Do you happen to know the address for this exact link? Regards, --Gramaic 02:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey, here is the link to the discussion forums in English

http://www.souria.com/club/sb_forum.asp?forumid=3

Many of the topics got deleted, they were posted by Lebanese people trying to stir up trouble. Register if you want, we need more people on the forum :).Yuber 02:40, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Yuber, I really appreciate it.--Gramaic 03:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

False flag revisions

It's debatable whether Irgun was a terrorist organization; I might even be convinced that it was. But the next time you make a change like that and flag it as "minor," I'll report you for vandalism. --Leifern 14:04, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Categorization is almost always flagged a minor edit, and I think the Deir Yassin massacre proves they were a terrorist organization. The Zionist Terror Organizations category was finally made after a long debate, it's time to start putting it to use in a fair way.Yuber 15:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Yuber, this is not the point. The point is that you've made multiple edits, flagged as minor with no description, which actually impact serious issues. I can only conclude that you're doing this to sneak around. Do it again, and I'll be the first to support Leifern's charge of vandalism. Mikeage 23:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Once again, I am fairly new to this and I didn't know that a categorization of a group regarded terrorist by almost everyone is not a minor edit.Yuber 04:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Yuber, I think you're much smarter than that. I could argue that "almost anyone" thinks that Yasser Arafat was a corrupt, degenerate imposter, but that doesn't give me the right to flag such a categorization (if it existed) as "minor." --Leifern 13:36, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Islamofascism

Hello. You always keep on asking on the Islamist Terroism page on why this word has anything to do with Islamist Terrorism. I wish for you to read this posting that I wrote on the talk page: "Islamofacism The word has been used in the article before, not as a direct reference to Islamist Terrorism, but as an article of interest of those who want to read up on the entire issues of terrorism. What happened this morning is that a user by the name of Spastika took the word out, called it a POV. I reverted it, since nearly everything he did was reverted because of his possible pro-Arab pov pushing. I am not sure when the word was added to the article, but all I wanted to do is bring it back to a previous version. Zscout370 (talk) 23:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)"

Basically, all the link there was place there is just for those who are reading the article on Islamist Terrorism might be interested in the debate about Islamofacism. I agree with people that it is a word recently made up and made popular by "right wing nuts" like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, but I believe it is a valid link to be put at the end of the article. Plus, as I mentioned before, I was reverting vandalism by a user who was vandalising many pages. Zscout370 (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh ok, that's fine.Yuber 04:39, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Plus, I know the word is a slur and made up, but I was wondering if you, myself and others can agree to add the link to the article page. Dispite of what I told you and what I said on the talk page, it feels like I might have started an edit war over that word. What can we do to stop this editing war? Zscout370 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Another question: do you think the comments by User:KaintheScion seen to be odd? Though this person has an account since (probably) this weekend, it feels like this person has been here before. The person's first comments were to defame (or attack, depending if the accusations are true or not) User:GraceNote. I do not know if this is getting bad, but if it does, I can have you talk to a few folks. Zscout370 (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that bad so far, just strange... For a user that just registered yesterday to have all the knowledge of the events of the past few weeks is fishy. He claims he's just a "lurker" that decided to register and get in on things. I don't think anything needs to be done now as he just is trying to argue his POV in the talk page.Yuber 17:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree, it is strange. I still think it will be valid to at least mention when the term was coined, the person who coined it, where it was first used, where it is used now and the objections of Muslims. If an article about Judeofascism comes up, I will have no problems with it. Zscout370 (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Syria Ribbon

Question, I am wondering why you put that on your user page. I have no problems with it, but I just want to know why you did it. Zscout370 (talk) 18:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Just to make my bland user page a bit more aesthetic.Yuber 21:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Thats more of a Pan Arab ribbon though, no? same colours as Egypt and iraq, and maybe others (I was always bad at flags!) --Irishpunktom\^talk 20:47, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Well, the two green stars represent the Syrian version of the Pan-Arab flag. But yes, almost all Arab countries (except for maybe Tunisia and a few other North African ones) share the Pan-Arab colors. Many of them also use Saladin's eagle as their state symbol (Egypt, Iraq, and Syria).Yuber^(talk) 21:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re ChantingFox's reversions

As I gather from his talk page, ChantingFox is fairly new to Wikipedia, and was immediately praised for his work in reverting articles that had been vandalized. He's decided that what you and I see as vandalism is a serious edit and that you and I are the vandals, so he's determined to revert. I've left messages on his talk page. I dunno if I got through to him. Zora 20:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Nope, I was wrong. There's another message from ChantingFox on the vandalism alert page, saying that someone is spoofing him, and asking to have this IP blocked. So my initial guess (recorded on his userpage) that there was some skullduggery going on, was proved right after all. Zora 21:01, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I had a feeling something was strange when his contributions section showed that he only created his account today and already acquired a barnstar after editing a few Islamic related articles..Yuber 21:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

From checking the Page History, ChantingFox himself redirected Yuber's user page to douche, then switched it back. I do agree that there have been people who have been impersonating users on Wikipedia, but this edit was not by an imposter. Zscout370 (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Please note the difference between my username and his. This user copied my userpage AND talkpage completely, and redirected my userpage to the same one. --Chanting Fox 21:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh man, please accept my apologizes about that one Chanting. I realized now the same vandal has done the same thing to ClockworkSoul, copying the user page and all. If his IP was blocked, then the vandal must have been using a proxy, which is hard to block. However, a notice on Long Term Alerts on the Vandalism in Progress page should be warrented, since this vandal is causing many problems. Zscout370 (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Jizyah

Very nice work on this -- and no small amount of diplomatic skill, I notice.

I have made some minor style edits, hope they are helpful, let me know what you think. BrandonYusufToropov 03:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Klonimus and Jayjg were going off interpretations by Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye'or. After their changes, the article basically read like one of those two's books. Thanks for your edits, but Klonimus and Jayjg will probably be back trying to push POVs again.Yuber 03:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I think I recall reading somewhere that there was a community that petitioned the Caliph (or somebody) for the right to pay jizyah -- they wanted protection, in other words. Of course, I don't have the source now. Ring any bells? BrandonYusufToropov 14:59, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I think it's already in the article, the Christian Arabs that wanted to pay twice the amount of jizyah to express their gratitude. It might have to be made clearer. It seems that Klonimus and Jayjg's editing style is to remove all quotes and examples that might shed a positive light on the actual history to the bottom and put the interpretations from Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye'or to the top.Yuber^(talk) 22:30, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Saudi Arabia

Is there any reason to delete the text in Saudi Arabia, for example I don't find this paragraph POV:

"Highlights of mutaween activities in the news include instances where they prevented women from leaving burning buildings because they did not have proper Islamic headgear on, and numerous instances of religious persecution of non-Muslims for the "crime" of not being Muslim in Saudi Arabia."

since all of it is based on facts. -- Eagle 16:36, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

I hate the mutaween just as much as you do (have family living near dammam), but that paragraph was highly pov. For example, it claimed that the mutaween were found in most muslim countries (the only ones I can think of are Saudi and Iran). It also claimed that the burning building incident was a "highlight", a highlight is usually a good thing. If that paragraph was re-written in more NPOV language, I would see it as useful to the article.Yuber 16:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, now it's clear. Though I still believe it would be better if it was rewritten instead of having it deleted. -- Eagle 16:50, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing user pages

Vandalizing the user page of an admin will get you blocked. If you do it again, I will block you. RDsmith4 00:19, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Who are you trying to kid? It's obvious you are an impersonator.Yuber^(talk) 00:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Impersonation

Thanks! Any idea whose sockpuppet it might have been? User:Rdsmith4/Sig 01:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Go [here] for the latest info on the "impersonator vandal" aka the "doppelganger" Yuber^(talk) 01:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

User:KaintheScion

This user has been engaging in POV-pushing on several articles, and upon overviewing his contributions I've noticed that he has also engaged in personal insults against you on several occasions. If you want to file a WP:RFC against him, I would be willing to co-sign it. Firebug 00:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Yuber, KaintheScion is entitled to remove messages from his own talk page. Please don't revert him again. Many thanks, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:23, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yuber, you're the POV pusher, and stalking my contrib page to revert me is getting really old. Knock it off.KaintheScion

I actually didn't stalk your contrib page, but two of your edits came up on my watchlist. When I went to leave you a message, I saw that your talk page was cleared. So I reverted to the last version (and there is no rule against this).Yuber^(talk) 00:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

YOU POV PUSHING REVERT MONKEY

Stop reverting things when you could make edits, you stupid POV-pushing revert monkey.KaintheScion

Kain, stop the personal attacks. That is getting nobody nowhere. Zscout370 (talk) 03:17, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

ZScout, so far I've seen plenty of bad-faith revert pushing and POV pushing - not to mention screaming for references on every single syllable of the edits he's trying to push a POV into - out of Yuber. I've put a notice in the Dhimmi talk but I'm letting him know as well here, if he throws around another revert like that without bothering to explain why in the talk, I'm reporting him for vandalism. ElKabong

That is your call, however, you could have said to please stop the inserting of x,y and z, because we believe this is against NPOV. With the statement by Kain, I just think that was a bit over the top and uncalled for. POV pushing can be handled in several other ways. Zscout370 (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

I just want to point out that ElKabong and KaintheScion are the same person, this has been proven by admin jpgordon. I will not respond to either one of them from now on because they are sockpuppets of each other.Yuber^(talk) 14:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Yuber. Is there a discussion of this by jpgordon and others that I can view? Zscout370 (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Right hereYuber^(talk) 14:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Other than that one thing, I do not see anything much for sockpuppetry. However, give me some time and I could see what I can find. Zscout370 (talk) 14:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

RFC against User:KaintheScion

I have opened a RFC against KaintheScion due to his repeated use of personal attacks and false accusations of vandalism. You are free to endorse it if you so choose. Firebug 05:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I just endorsed it, haven't been here the past two days, thanks.Yuber^(talk) 21:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Credible sources

Thanks for providing sources for the quotes you insert, but please use more credible source than whatreallyhappened.com. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:30, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Most of those sources were Israeli/American and were well-cited, they were not from a "hate-site". You should try to accept the fact that secular/leftist Israelis are quite good sources for revealing what the heroes of Zionism have said over the years. Although those sources might have been from what you consider a "hate site", they were all well-cited in Israeli/American books.Yuber^(talk) 13:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

3RR

Yuber, you were reported for 3RR at Golan Heights and, because you've been warned many times about 3RR, I've blocked you for 24 hours. If you feel this is unfair, please feel free to contact me using the "e-mail this user" function on my user page and I'll get straight back to you. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 10:38, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Yuber, I see you've started editing-by-revert again. We don't have a right to revert each article three times in 24 hours: it's an upper ceiling, but we're not meant to take advantage of it. This post to Jay is the wrong attitude: "Um, please look at the edit history. I made an edit today, then you reverted. Then I reverted, then you reverted. Then I reverted again, then you reverted. You're on three reverts, I'm on two." All that's going to happen is that someone will do an RfC on you, then it could go to the arbcom, where you could be placed on revert parole, blocked from editing certain articles, or blocked entirely for a period. If your edits matter to you, then make them stick by following our policies and making sure you have good sources. And if they don't matter to you, why bother making them in the first place? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 23:33, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Jay reverted my edits within 3 minutes of when I had made them, perhaps he is the one editing "revert by revert". His claim that I have made 4 reverts and that he has only made 3 is a very shaky one. If you would check the edits you would see the first sentence is sourced.Yuber^(talk) 23:40, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

You were reported for a 3RR violation at Jizyah and have been blocked again for 24 hours. The first edit you made was a revert to a previous version, so it counts as your first revert, not your first edit. Regarding the content and the fact that you supplied a source: violating 3RR gets you blocked even if you're right, and to be honest, I haven't even checked out the content closely, because we're not supposed to take content into account when blocking for 3RR. If in future, you feel your edits are being unfairly deleted (because, for example, they're properly sourced), there are other steps you can take, and I'd be happy to discuss those with you, but you mustn't keep reverting. In addition to the above, you were offered the chance to self-revert. As before, if you feel this block is unfair, please feel free to e-mail me. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:11, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Arab scientists

I have an un-edited list of Arab scientists with a paragraph of biographical description for each. These are neither Persian nor Persian related. And Wikipedia doesnt have these folks listed.

I cant find the time to write an entry for each and put together the list. Im still working on the Persian list. And I have 60 other projects to finish and tend to.

Where do you want me to send this list to? (Or perhaps paste it somewhere?)--Zereshk 21:49, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Resafa

Hello Yaber. Thank you for your message and for letting me know that you have used one of my picture. I went back to Resafa this spring and under this link on my web site you will find frameless pictures of that trip. The one you've selected comes out best on a black background. --Zelidar 18:42, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

Category:Presidents of Syria

Hello Yuber. Since you work a lot with Syrian related articles, I thought you may have some pretty good ideas in how to expand this category. As you can see, the only presidents that are listed are Hafez and Bashar al-Assad. Other Syrian presidents that could be listed, I don't know, maybe Amin al-Hafez, Nur al Din al-Atassi, Nazem al-Qodsi, etc. So, what do think? Regards, --Gramaic 07:44, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

• Note: Yuber, I'm having this category listed as an external link because there seems to be a small technical difficulty when I'm listing it as an internal link. --Gramaic 07:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, there are plenty of articles about Syrian past presidents that should go in that cat.Yuber^(talk) 02:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

سفيرق

Never heard of such a surname... Aramaic, maybe? Greek "Spheric"? - Mustafaa 18:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Weird... what's the context? - Mustafaa 00:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

So it's pronounced Suqayriq? I don't know... maybe Turkish? I'll ask around. - Mustafaa 00:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

3RR

You've been blocked for violating the 3RR. --nixie 02:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing others' user pages

If you vandalize my user page again, I will report you for it. I have given Mel Etitis the same warning. Enviroknot 04:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

You have been identified as a sockpuppet by many admins and other respected users.Yuber^(talk) 04:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

No, YOU have accused me and your fellow conspirators have followed your lead. You have posted no proof, only vague accusations. That is slander and vandalism.Enviroknot 04:02, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Islam and other religions

Thanks Yuber for the message. I'll appreciate that. Cheers -- Svest 12:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

It's good to know

Just making sure you are aware of disussions Concerning you. Guy Montag, Humus sapiens and Jayjg (of course) seem to have let you get under their skin. Be aware they intend on reverting everything you do that they disapprove of. See here for details... and here too! --Irishpunktom\^talk 15:02, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

They are also reverting me on articles that have nothing to do with the conflict and that they have no knowledge of. It is getting quite ridiculous and they are making themselves look stupid. Anyways, thanks for pointing those discussions out for me.Yuber^(talk) 15:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Enviroknot

I'm out of reverts, so the sockpuppet template will remain deleted unless someone else joins in. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Does the 3RR rule apply to him on his own userpage as well? At least 3 different editors have kept putting that template back in.Yuber^(talk) 17:37, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

I have reported your vandalism.Enviroknot 20:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Khirbat

The word comes from the root خرب, and means "ruin". The Lisan al-Arab defines "kharab" as ضِدُّ العُمْرانِ, the opposite of civilization; in Algerian dialect, خرّب means to make a mess, or destroy. I believe it has a Hebrew cognate "Horvat"; probably Aramaic as well, but I'm not certain offhand. - Mustafaa 17:40, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

According to a book I've been reading, it refers specifically to an extension of a village, built beyond the edge of town. - Mustafaa 16:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

3RR

User:Enviroknot has reported you on the mailing list for 3RR at Dhimmi, claiming that you're also editing as User:199.181.178.37. I know of no evidence linking you to this IP address, and so there appears to be no violation. However, I ask you once again to stop reverting so often on so many articles. I protected three pages yesterday as a result of revert wars apparently triggered by you, and if it continues, it's likely that you'll eventually be placed on revert parole or even banned from editing certain articles. I urge you to reconsider your approach. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 23:33, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee case opening

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/KaintheScion et al. has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/KaintheScion et al./Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 18:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza

Hey, I'd like your input on the Banu Qurayza article. As it stands I believe it to be inherently POV, and containing Factual errors caused by this bias. I have detailed this on the talk page, however, I could easily be missing something, and as you were the one who put up the {{totally disputed}}, I'd like you to point out any errors you also see. Cheers man. --Irishpunktom\^talk 14:58, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

I did some editing and I pointed out some errors/inconsistencies. I will do more when I have the time.Yuber^(talk) 00:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gaza Strip

I take it that you've read the talk page on Gaza Strip and come to a contray decision to everyone else regarding the relevance of the photos you keep reverting in? Josh Parris ✉ 03:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copyright tag

Could you please add source and licensing information (as well as a copyright tag) to Image:New community on the Golan .jpg →Raul654 08:33, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Airports of Palestine

I created this category, and placed the note at the top of the page to inform people of the status of Palestine (not currently a country) as all the other first level categories are countries. Please don't remove it. If you wish to discuss a better note, do that at the top of the talk page. Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 09:11, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

SomeThing personal??!!!

what do u got against the name Intifada of independence? anything personal? coz i beleive u r nt acting reasonably by removing it every time from the lebanon page; even u dont want it side by side to the name u reclaim to be the best, say "cedar revolution" that is.