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:{{reply to|Crossroads}} Hi both, thanks for reaching out. I created this infobox after I saw the use of {{tl|Infobox ethnic group}} used on the [[Hijra (South Asia)]] article and thought a better infobox could be made which encompassed key points of the article. When I began creation, I saw an opportunity to provide greater flexibility in the template to allow for not only "third gender"/non-Western gender-non-conforming physical communities but also a broader range of gender and sexual identities. It doesn't mean that it has to be used in all articles that fall into this category. Yes, infoboxes do not to provide additional information - their purpose is to act as an article summary. It is clear that many articles, especially non-Western "third gender" articles could do with infoboxes providing demographic data, definitions and more - and this can be extended to some Western identities. I also acknowledge your concerns around controversy and agree a balance needs to be struck - for most articles at risk of vandalism or controversy, controversy is likely to be generated regardless - but in others it may indeed be better to avoid an infobox. For example, if I were to want to put an infobox on one of the 'Big 4' sexual orientations I'd be 100% against not writing about it on the talk page first. For more niche articles on Western concepts where people are just looking for a definition and some demographics or flag information this infobox could be useful. Generally speaking, however, I expect it will be useful in articles on non-Western concepts with a Western audience in mind. Hope this helps [[User:ArcMachaon|ArcMachaon]] ([[User talk:ArcMachaon#top|talk]]) 13:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Crossroads}} Hi both, thanks for reaching out. I created this infobox after I saw the use of {{tl|Infobox ethnic group}} used on the [[Hijra (South Asia)]] article and thought a better infobox could be made which encompassed key points of the article. When I began creation, I saw an opportunity to provide greater flexibility in the template to allow for not only "third gender"/non-Western gender-non-conforming physical communities but also a broader range of gender and sexual identities. It doesn't mean that it has to be used in all articles that fall into this category. Yes, infoboxes do not to provide additional information - their purpose is to act as an article summary. It is clear that many articles, especially non-Western "third gender" articles could do with infoboxes providing demographic data, definitions and more - and this can be extended to some Western identities. I also acknowledge your concerns around controversy and agree a balance needs to be struck - for most articles at risk of vandalism or controversy, controversy is likely to be generated regardless - but in others it may indeed be better to avoid an infobox. For example, if I were to want to put an infobox on one of the 'Big 4' sexual orientations I'd be 100% against not writing about it on the talk page first. For more niche articles on Western concepts where people are just looking for a definition and some demographics or flag information this infobox could be useful. Generally speaking, however, I expect it will be useful in articles on non-Western concepts with a Western audience in mind. Hope this helps [[User:ArcMachaon|ArcMachaon]] ([[User talk:ArcMachaon#top|talk]]) 13:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

== "Gay genes" table ==

Hi ArcMachaon, could you please make the gay genes template table collapsed by default? It takes up too much room in articles, and I may make a new "gay gene/s" wikipedia article that includes it, rather than having it in the other sexual orientation articles. This is purely because gay gene studies have not found any candidate gay genes. I highlight the problems [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Homosexuality#The_'gay_genes'_table here]. Let me know if you can make that change. [[User:Sxologist|Sxologist]] ([[User talk:Sxologist|talk]]) 03:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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LGBT sidebar

Hi, I seem to have noticed a small glitch with the British LGBT sidebar you recently created. It seems WP Commons files are pushed directly below it. For instance, on the Isle of Man and Guernsey articles, the European recognition map is placed directly underneath the template, whereas it was initially located higher up in the article, same for the Pitcairn Islands article but with a different map, etc.. Do you know how to fix this? It's not much of a deal, but I do feel as if it clusters the page a bit, especially the Isle of Man one. Jedi Friend (talk) 18:34, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jedi Friend: Thanks for letting me know - I've had a quick look into the issue and it seems to be a problem with a lot of (all?) {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}}-based templates, meaning that this issue will affect a lot more than the {{LGBT rights in the United Kingdom sidebar}}. I'll have a more in-depth look as soon as a I can but you may have stumbled across something much bigger than you thought! Thanks Legendiii (talk) 23:30, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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SITH (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you should add this infobox to articles where the information in the article is easily found, especially in small articles. Take this case, for example. Exactly why is this infobox needed there? It doesn't tell readers anything that isn't already easily/quickly found in the article. Infoboxes can unnecessarily clutter articles, as it does in this case, especially since that article already had two infoboxes.

I'm also not sue why you created Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity.

If you reply to me on any of this, please reply here on your talk page and don't ping me. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do appreciate infoboxes for some topics, like nations or biological species, but gender and sexual identities are not a good fit for the concept. These topics are complex and volatile, and many of the entries on the infobox will be a controversy magnet wherever it is implemented. Crossroads -talk- 03:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Crossroads: Hi both, thanks for reaching out. I created this infobox after I saw the use of {{Infobox ethnic group}} used on the Hijra (South Asia) article and thought a better infobox could be made which encompassed key points of the article. When I began creation, I saw an opportunity to provide greater flexibility in the template to allow for not only "third gender"/non-Western gender-non-conforming physical communities but also a broader range of gender and sexual identities. It doesn't mean that it has to be used in all articles that fall into this category. Yes, infoboxes do not to provide additional information - their purpose is to act as an article summary. It is clear that many articles, especially non-Western "third gender" articles could do with infoboxes providing demographic data, definitions and more - and this can be extended to some Western identities. I also acknowledge your concerns around controversy and agree a balance needs to be struck - for most articles at risk of vandalism or controversy, controversy is likely to be generated regardless - but in others it may indeed be better to avoid an infobox. For example, if I were to want to put an infobox on one of the 'Big 4' sexual orientations I'd be 100% against not writing about it on the talk page first. For more niche articles on Western concepts where people are just looking for a definition and some demographics or flag information this infobox could be useful. Generally speaking, however, I expect it will be useful in articles on non-Western concepts with a Western audience in mind. Hope this helps ArcMachaon (talk) 13:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Gay genes" table

Hi ArcMachaon, could you please make the gay genes template table collapsed by default? It takes up too much room in articles, and I may make a new "gay gene/s" wikipedia article that includes it, rather than having it in the other sexual orientation articles. This is purely because gay gene studies have not found any candidate gay genes. I highlight the problems here. Let me know if you can make that change. Sxologist (talk) 03:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]