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Please let me know below if you have any general feedback about our recommendations. Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 05:26, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cool thanks User:Bobo.03. Still on holidays but will take a look. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:57, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Doc James, I update the recommendation list sent to you earlier. I fixed some bugs in the previous version (as you might have seen that some editors on the previous list were not quite active). Very sorry about it, but now, everything should be good! Please take a look, and let me know what you think! Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Side Effects

There is already an existing consensus on the meaning of side effect and adverse effect. According to wikipedia entry for "side effect": "In medicine, a side effect is an effect, whether therapeutic or adverse, that is secondary to the one intended; although the term is predominantly employed to describe adverse effects, it can also apply to beneficial, but unintended, consequences of the use of a drug."

Thus, the terms "side effect" and "adverse effect" are *not* interchangeable.

Many articles about drugs have a section about therapeutic effects of drugs and a separate section about harmful effects of drugs. This section on harmful effects of drugs is most accurately titled "adverse effects."

Please accept the consensus definition of these terms, as indicated in the wikipedia entry for "side effect." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbelknap (talk • contribs) 17:19, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We use the two interchangeably per here. If you want to propose removing side effects as an option the discussion goes there. In common language they are used interchangeably. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Patient" vs "person", in WP:MEDMOS

Hi there! Thank you for the correction in the "Prader-Willi" article. You referred me to MEDMOS while reverting my edit which changed "person" to "patient". Sure enough, MEDMOS identifies "use [of] the word "patients" or "cases" when describing those who have a medical condition" as one of the "signs of writing or editing for (other) healthcare professionals", and therefore, undesirable. Fair enough. But further down, in the section entitled "Careful language", MEDMOS says "Sometimes positive and negative medical test results can have, respectively, negative and positive implications for the patient. For example, a negative breast cancer-screening test is very positive for the person being screened." (My emphasis.) Note that MEDMOS itself is referring to the person being screened as ... [drum roll, please]... "THE PATIENT", violating its own guideline! I hope this is as amusing to you as it is to me.

Best wishes, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 10:48, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MEDMOS really doesn't seem to address this issue clearly. The basic point is that a patient is a person who is undergoing active treatment by a health care professional. Merely having a condition, or being screened for a condition, does not make one a patient. The word should only be used when it is helpful to convey that the person is being treated for the condition. For example, it would be very confusing to change a sentence that refers to the doctor-patient relationship to "doctor-person relationship". Looie496 (talk) 14:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
RE: "Merely having a condition, or being screened for a condition, does not make one a patient."
I'm not so sure about that! "Patient" is Latin for "one who suffers". HandsomeMrToad (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We generally use "person with X" rather than "patient with X". Makes Wikipedia more general in tone IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Latin derivations don't always reflect the current meaning of a word. Wiktionary and every other dictionary I have checked define a patient as a person (or animal) receiving, or scheduled to receive, medical treatment. "Sufferer" is sometimes given as an archaic meaning. Looie496 (talk) 14:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The ICD stuff in food allergy articles

I noticed you moved the ICD-type information in Peanut allergy from the infobox to the end of the article. As part of the GA nomination of the Milk allergy article the reviewer had asked me to put it in the infobox. Personally, I don't care, but I think the location should be uniform across the food allergy articles. Current situation is at end for Peanut and Food allergy; versus infobox for Milk allergy, Egg allergy and Tree nut allergy. Soy allergy has neither. I leave to you whether this is worth an effort.

I am currently poking and prodding Peanut Allergy, Vitamin E, Nutrition and pregnancy, and Dietary supplement. At some point I may nominate PA or VE for GA, but the other two are too close to being COIs for me to try GA. I am glad that several people have combined efforts to get Dietary supplement to B-class. David notMD (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Am happy to make it consistent. There has been a push to update to the new infoboxes. This will likely take more years to fully roll out. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dyslexia

should you have a moment, could you look at this edit[1], thanks(BTW put this together(<span style="position:absolute;top:-130px;left:-185px;z-index:100;background-color:" class="noprint">[[File:WHO Rod.svg|110px|link=Main Page]]</span>)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not a great source. Moved to neuroanatomy section as it is undue weight for it to have its own. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:43, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

text

<span style="position:absolute;top:-60px;left:-65px;z-index:100;background-color:" class="noprint">[[File:Med logo sylouette.svg|40px]]</span>...I changed it this might work[2]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:23, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes it does add the logo. But it overlaps a bunch of text to the left? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
now 40px(even smaller)[3], no overlap(would it be ok to place at "announcements" WPMED/talk now or further changes?)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hum I see it way over to the left on top of the Wikipedia logo. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Doc Jameson the right then?[4]..let me know if you like the idea, if not we'll just drop it/revisit the idea in the future, thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Should we put the picture of the rod in the teal box? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:37, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
perhaps best just simple[5]...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The rod in that picture still overlaps the Wikipedia logo for me.
Are you wanting the rod to overlap the Wikipedia logo? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
[6]?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay that is not overlapping ":-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ok, Ill post at "announcements"--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OTRS, but for once, not a request to handle a ticket

I mentioned your name (in a favorable way) in a recent café post so it's only fair that I let you know. here.S Philbrick(Talk) 19:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks User:Sphilbrick :-) Agree. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deprodding of K. M. Cherian (doctor)

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from K. M. Cherian (doctor), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Doc James. Just to clarify things, I did not de-prod the article myself. I only saw User talk:Explicit#Deletion of K. M. Cherian (doctor) and did a little post deprod cleanup on the article's talk page. When I saw that you had not been notified, I added the above template as a courtesy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have clean up some more unreffed stuff. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I tried to do a bit of clean up myself. My take at the moment is that this person is probably notable enough for a stand-alone article, but all of the unsourced content was cluttering things up a bit. He also seems to be a research MD as well [7], but I'm not sure how to incorporate that properly into the article. I stumbled upon this via the talk page of another editor, and articles about medical practicioners/researchers, etc. are not really my forte, so not sure how much more I will be able to improve it. There article's, etc. online about him, but most of the recent stuff looks like it might just be regurgiating what was in the article; so, I've been trying to find stuff prior to the article's creation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding page number where content appeared in reference

I have e-mailed you required information. please look into it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakeshsingh4146 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks. See it now. Will look at it further in a bit. Depersonalization_disorder Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leprosy in Malta

Thank you for your help with this :) Beckettnoti (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Just minor adjustments. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Corneotherapy

Corneotherapy article appeared out of the blue. It looks very suspect to me - cosmetic skin treatment masquerading as science - but I am no expert here and would value a more knowledgeable pair of eyes on the topic if you have a spare few mnutes. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk   11:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Have redirected. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Doc James

Thank you for your contribution to this article. I appreciate your edits. However, contrarty to what is said, corneotherapy is not "cosmetic skin treatment masquerading as science". As an experienced dermatologist myself, I have taken time to write this article on my computer and read about Wikipedia for quite some time. The Corneotherapy article introduces real medical research that has been around since the 1960s. The article published has a sufficient number of solid academic references to back this up. It is not promoting in any way a medical product nor is it an alternative to moisturizers. Therefore, as suggested to me by another experienced editor who pointed me to WP:BOLD, I am reverting your lastest change. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. Jornie09 (talk) 03:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many sources equate corneotherapy with moisturizers. Have added that to the talk page Talk:Corneotherapy
I imagine you also are associated with the The International Association for Applied Corneotherapy? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Doc James. I appreciate your explanation that makes me understand better your perception of Corneotherapy. It made me smile a bit. May I suggest that you take few minutes to read the entire review article "Corneobiology and Corneotherapy – a final chapter" written by Albert Klingman, the father of Corneotherapy himself. It is in that seminal review that you picked up the section title: " Emollients and moisturizers: the beginnings of corneotherapy". It is available here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2494.2011.00644.x/full .

Klingman and his associates have written extensively about Corneotherapy and corneobiology in academic venues since the 1960s. The word "moisturizer" is a modern commercial name that appeared in the 1990's as a derivative line of products from existing science that predates it. Corneotherapy, sometimes associated with corneobiology is solid research that started in the 1960s and is still being carried out in several research institutions. Thank you. Jornie09 (talk) 13:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You still did not answer by question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Doc James. I am happy to notice your continuous interest in the topic of corneotherapy. I am a dermatopathologist who is very much aware of the existence of the Internal Association for Applied Corneotherapy (IAAC). Although I am not member of this association, I did attend a couple of its conferences in the past as I consider corneotherapy a related field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jornie09 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Internet in a box/Swahili

Hi, I left the following on your talk page at swwiki but am not sure if you saw it: All in all the Swahili set of the articles is very much a mixed bag. I appreciate highly that many of the articles stemming from your project attract high readers' interest, a number of health entries are always in our group of much searched articles. On the other hand there are still too many really bad translations (sometimes incomprehensible gibberish) and the translations have not been coordinated as far as terminology is concerned. If you started today I would have some advice, because now I know the available specialized dictionary that could and should have been used by all the volunteer translators. (who often decided on (or even made up) terminology on their own)

After seeing the text you ask to translate, I think there should be

a) an information that a number of the entries is still at a test stage and that we appreciate any help to make them better.

b) a clear adress where to send proposals.

What do you think? Plus: Did you just take the entries from your project or all entries in the relevant catagories? Kipala (talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kipala
Happy to have the wording adjusted :-) We do say "Join us and make the next version even better." but we could use stronger wording. We could say something like "Content may be of variable quality, please join us and make the next version even better"?
Thoughts?Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "Did you just take the entries from your project or all entries in the relevant catagories?" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have a category "Afya". I tried some time ago to connect all articles and categories like "magonjwa" (diseases) as subcats here. I am not sure if I got all from your project because a number was not categorized. Plus some unconnected categories introduced which hopefukky i have discovered and connected.

Theh there are also entries which did not arise from your project (together with thematic doubles, as the project translators rarely checked what was already existing). --- Plus for people who access the content offline I appreciate if you provide an email adress where to send comments. Kipala (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kipala The project would have benefited from a Swahili Wikipedia directing which articles should and should not be translated by the volunteers at TWB. As without that I agree we likely ended up with some duplications which are unfortunate.
You can find a list of the articles this project was involved with translating here
Emails can be sent to wikiprojectmedgmail.com
Thanks for your help and guidance. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I see the value of your project unfortunately we are still too few reliably editors active to deal with such a project. From time to time I clean up a bit, I think Riccardo too, but there is so much other things around.
As for choice, I think it would be appropriate to use the content of https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamii:Afya for your selection (I just separated chakula=food which had been in here as a subcat, following the example of enwiki). Some of the existing entries from outside the project are definitely better than some of those from the project, although of course the basic approach of the project was a much higher standard. Otherwise it would not be right to claim that the selection are the health related entries from swwiki. As you cannot understand nor control anyway what the translators delivered maybe you just trust my advice in the selection. Kipala (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The though was to put the entire Swahili WP on the device. We go with just the English medical articles as we do not have room for all of EN WP. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:46, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, if the complete swwiki will be in the dataset then the text has to be different. I put an alternative English version below your proposal. This evening I can upload the list of present health terms (as looking thru cats and subcats is not sooo easy for a newcomer) and then translate the text.Kipala (talk) 08:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have adjusted the original wording. Noticed a mistake their. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Swahili translation is done. You might check if the data storage you want to use for distribution has sufficient capacity to carry the swwiki together with the English medical articles. Swahili only will be nice for distribution of swwiki; as far as the medical content is concerned it will be better to give them English, too. The situation is in flux. Medical personell have their training in English and will have problems to fluently read the medical sw-content. But they have to (or at least many try to) explain to patients in Swahili. Situation will be similar in other languages which are the main medium of communication in their area but personell is trained in English/French. Kipala (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. SW WP is about 303 Mb. The device will hold about 32,000 Mb. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think about bringing COTW back?

Hi Doc James,

I noticed that WikiProject Medicine used to have collaboration of the week (COTW) events a long time ago. Looks like the cost of coordinating to select articles to focus on was a main reason to make COTW stop, though COTW seemed pretty effective in engaging project members working together. I am thinking to create a tool to help recommend articles to WikiProjects. Just wonder what do you think about it? Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 20:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bobo.03 The group of medical editors is small and often has specific interests within the area of medicine. I think COTW faded due to more than just trouble selecting articles. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What's your view on its fading? Bobo.03 (talk) 06:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many things on Wikipedia are maintained by one or two people. If those who do the maintenance move on it often fades which I think it what happened in this case. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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