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David Yates

Wikipedia is a rotten place to edit. I trimmed significant material from this article, which has clearly been written by fans. I should have trimmed more, but I got tired. It was full of excessive detail and tangential material. It even had a table for all of of his own appearances (I removed that entirely). The Directorial style section is principally a self-aggrandizing quote farm. I should have removed all three quotations but I only did the last as it was unsourced. At the same time, I corrected a plethora of formatting errors. I also deadlinked a Daily Mail cite in the Personal life section supposedly supporting that Yvonne Walcott is Yates's partner. Even if the DM cite were live, we should have better sourcing for that sort of material (then there's the trivia about Walcott). At the same time, I corrected the infobox so it doesn't say that Walcott is his spouse.

An editor came along and undid a lot of my changes, as a result of which there are now factual errors, unsourced material, and the list goes on. I undid their changes, but that was quickly reverted telling me to go to the Talk page. Not me. This post here is the only thing I'm willing to do, and if no one's interested, which I can completely understand, that'll be an end to it. In this area and in so many others lately I don't know why I bother.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd really like to go for a walk, but I still have this lingering nasty cough from my recent (and sort of ongoing) illness. BTW, our friend Sebastian still believes it's okay to call Walcott a spouse in the infobox. Other than warning him about 3RR, I'm not touching the article myself. MarnetteD: applause.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Can you confirm that you are taking responsibilities for edits like these on article's talk page here. I am not obliged to check every edit and remove the bad things, so instead of starting an edit war, you could have corrected and discussed it. No wonder why you are working hard on this article and haven't seen the other edits, such as HPDEATHLYHALLOWS4's frequent edits, and suddenly decided to take action. As for Drmies, I don't remember asking you to share an opinion about something that is irrelevant to you. Also, I am not your friend. Sebastian James what's the T? 17:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Sebastian James, you don't remember that? Maybe you didn't ask me. But maybe this is a collaborative project, and whatever you do can become part of the public discourse. And maybe I have an opinion anyway, especially since I'm an administrator and you made a totally assholish comment. If you wish to avoid being criticized for such comments, don't make them. Drmies (talk) 18:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe especially when no one cares about your opinion, "the less said, the better" should come to mind. Congrats for being an administrator. Sebastian James what's the T? 10:48, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Are you "semi-retired", Sebastian James? Enjoy your new hobby. I hope for your sake it requires less knowledge of guidelines and fewer interactions with human beings. Any time you want to stop this you can stop this by stopping this. Drmies (talk) 13:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, what are you talking about? As you can see, I am not as active as I was before, and I have definitely no time for you, so I am "stopping this" now.Sebastian James what's the T? 15:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mulligan, Simon (2017-02-21). "Harry Potter director David Yates named Citizen of Honour at Liverpool City Hall". St Helens Star. {{cite news}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

The irony is that it is so easy to find an alternative to The Daily Mirror that is even 8 years more up-to-date, to boot. The only slight problem is that people at the St Helens Star ridiculously don't put datelines on their work, so this is the dateline according to Bing. Uncle G (talk) 18:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • "His passion for film began when his mum bought him an 8mm camera after he was enthralled by the Steven Spielberg classic Jaws' as a teenager." Not much better than the Mirror. I don't understand what you mean by "dateline" or "Bing". Wonder when they married.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Let me help you with these peculiar terms, M. Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb. ☺ And with this sort of coverage, often the journalist gets to talk directly to the subject and have a conversation like: ″Hello, I'm Simon from The Star.″ ″Hello, this is my wife, Yvonne.″ Which is slightly better, journalistically, than consulting Wikipedia to check facts and finding that the subject has been married to Tony Stark for 10 years. ☺ Also note that both you and Doktoro have ″Mail″ and ″Mirror″ conflated. It is the former that is the deprecated one, whereas it is the latter that was being cited. Uncle G (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Shoot, did I? So I have been married to Tony Stark? Then again, in this case it doesn't matter very much since the quote was in there, and that indicated it was just a passing note. DM or DM, still a tabloid (and thus both deprecated, though one officially). Drmies (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • So dateline is what I thought and so is Bing (you use Bing???). The article has a dateline at the top. It just doesn't say when Yates, Walcott, Drmies, and Stark got married. Don't worry, though, I'll figure that out as soon as I find the cure for the common cold (in my case uncommon). Sometimes I think that all England has are tabloids. English newspapers are like big American law firms. They're all awful, but some are worse than others.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • As I have mentioned, I do not have any of this Main Beaming, Tex-Mex Lexus, and JSTORrery. I maligned the Star unjustly. It turns out that my WWW browser does not recognize <time>. Uncle G (talk) 20:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23, I need your help for a moment. Plz check your email in a minute, if you can. Drmies (talk) 19:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Well now, what an oddly long list of admins who are now former admins. Jimbo Wales, what on earth could be going on. Perhaps you can consider asking them to reconsider, or help create conditions that make them reconsider. These are the people who helped build the community you started. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User: War Operation Plan Response

The block should be amended. If they allowed to edit their own talk page they will just restore the libellous material and they are clearly an associate of the banned user User:Option 16. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 02:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimania 2020 Bangkok

Hi Klomp (that was actually the family name of my girlfriend when I was living in Amsterdam inn 1967). I won't be going to Stockholm most unfortunately, because I really can't afford $3,000 just for 5 days in the far north of Europe. I'll leave that trip to the Europeans and the 70-strong WMF junket. But next year Wikimania is right on my doorstep. I hope you will be able to come. I will be making absolutely sure that my friends who are able to come will have a great time. Regards, Chris. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Whoa. Oh dear, I'd LOVE to go--but I don't see it happening. On the one hand I'm not important enough to the WMF, I'm sure--I can't even get Jimbo Wales to respond to a ping. Actually, I've been trying for a dozen years. On the other, I doubt that I could swing it where I can argue to my employer they should pay for such a trip. But who know--I didn't even know, so thanks for telling me, and maybe it might happen. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:23, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If Katherine can travel to all those places she mentioned on her Talk page, I don't see why you can't. She's working on the budget now, isn't she? Make sure you get at least business class on the flight, first class on the hotel, all meals, and of course WP:ANI (Administrative noticeboard incidentals).--Bbb23 (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is the way it works at Wikimania, Bbb23: Back in 2012 in D.C. after the welcome party at the Library of Congress, the bus drove past the door of the ramshackle backpacker hostel were were forced to stay in (12-man rooms with bunk beds and a toilet down the corridor and a dysfunctional elevator), the WMF refused to let it stop, and it dropped us 14 blocks away at the WMF's luxury hotel. We had to walk back, and with 2m tall Mike Peel striding out in front, with the arthritis in my knees it was agony keeping up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good thing I never go.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Things change, it seems. This report from someone who attended both the 2012 D.C. Wikimania and the 2015 Mexico City Wikimania, had as one of their concerns, the issue that housing 2015 scholarship attendees in the Hilton was perhaps more expensive than would be appropriate. Presumably the toilet was closer and the elevators more amenable. MPS1992 (talk) 22:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hiltons have neither toilets nor elevators. They do, however, have tacky decor.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We all know it's only the Ritz for you, Bbb. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I spent one night in that hostel, Kudpung, one single night. I'm too old for that shit. Drmies (talk) 00:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your closure of the AN thread

At Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Abusive_behavior_and_controversial_edits_by_an_IP. While this started as my question on the applicability of talk page guidelines, I have grown increasingly concerned about Bbb23's behavior (i.e. lack of response to the question I and other have raised), and his refusal to discuss this on his talk page ([1]). I am sure acted 'to protect the project', but there are limits to such protection, particularly given the potential for admin abuse of power. I would not be pursuing this IF Bbb23 did not use the veiled thread 'this is an administrative action'. But he did. This all could have ended if Bbb23 said 'ok, I made a mistake, won't do it again', with a simple 'sorry' being nice but not necessary (my ego will survive without it). But given Bbb23 refusal to address this issue outside saying that Cirt socket, it seems to me that they have not demonstrated any remorse, or anything to demonstrate they made a mistake. This is worrisome. Admin abuse, where admins believe they are near perfect, have no need to explain themselves or apologize is a problem on Wikipedia. As an OP, I don't believe this issue is closed until Bbb23 explains themselves, apologizes, OR the community decided it is not necessary. Your closure of this thread, as a fellow admin, is sending a wrong message - that admins are beyond critique, and if critiqued, well, such threads will be closed by their fellow admin, no need for them to be stressed out and subject to such a terrifying thing as critique... Again, I am not seeking anything else but a simple statement from Bbb23 that they made a mistake and they won't do it again. If you are not going to reopen that thread, and in light of Bbb23 removing my posts from their talk pages, I'd appreciate if you would tell me which forum is applicable to pursue this matter further. Because while this started as a small matter, Bbb23 refusal to back down even a little bit suggest to me this may need to be investigated further, because this community does not need admins who are unwilling to accept that they can make an occasional errors. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Piotrus, I don't believe this is admin abuse (and the thread didn't conclude it was); in my view, the community has spoken. Forcing an apology from someone is rarely productive, and Bbb obviously doesn't think he did anything wrong. In the end, all this involves two things, as far as I can tell: talk page guidelines and how to handle edits by socks. (BTW, I fully understand that there was some dismay about the account not having been blocked yet, or marked as a sock. I'm glad that was handled.) Personally, I think we shouldn't overlegislate, but one can imagine some guidance on the TPG would be helpful. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have to say I am disappointed that you don't see how serious this is (as a symptom of a wider problem, the incident itself is very minor, of course). There are some people within the community who think that admins are "holy cows" and above criticism by peons, i.e. non-admins. This incident seems to me an example reinforcing such a belief. Invoking an admin status is a big deal. Not willing to apologize is not a sign of being a friendly mop'n'bucket wielder. Refusing to comment in a discussion where one behavior is disputed is likewise a bad sign, and a sadly justified attitude that 'non-admin criticism' is below admin's dignity to even reply, and surely it will be handled by other fellow admins who will just close this as no-action. Such attitude should not be ignored by other admins, but it almost always is. This is not how a healthy community should operate, with cliques protecting or turning a blind eye to their fellow mistakes. But, of course, I am talking about ideal world. In the real world, iron rule of oligarchy holds, and Wikipedia is not immune to it. I am not surprised that admins will protect their fellows, and try to brush aside their faults as minor things not worth pursuing (sure... just after years of such attitude, we end up at ArbComs or such). I am, however, disappointed, by the remainder that Wikipedia admins are, after all, imperfect, just like everyone else. You'd think after all those years I'd leave all my idealism behind, and got used to such corruption in the world, real of online, eh? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:10, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/Stupid_Rules

You might want to take another look at this. Besides [2] this, basically all their contribs are pursuing this fool vendetta from Talk:Romford. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I don't see much different in the (poor) level of contributions between the talk page jeering by MickGriff (talk · contribs) and the edit summarries of the other account. My personal view is that Wikipedia would be better off without both of them. 86.29.117.62 (talk · contribs) geolocates to the next town along. 31.127.146.196 (talk · contribs) is plainly from the edit summaries MickGriff logged out. They both do nothing else and neither presents the sort of case that Wikipedia needs. Uncle G (talk) 09:36, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Wiki would be better off publishing the fact that Romford is in Essex instead of incorrectly showing Romford as London. As for the sort of case that Wiki needs I would think up to date government and NHS websites stating Romford is in Essex is what Wiki needs but no Wiki via people with no connection to Romford are allowed to impose their fakery and have Romford showing as London. Reminiscent of the old Soviet Union. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickGriff (talk • contribs) 09:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Deep state in the United States

You feel like taking a look at this? Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ali Eisami

On 5 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ali Eisami, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ali Eisami (pictured), a Kanuri man, dictated his memoirs of his captivity to German missionary and linguist Sigismund Koelle, and helped him produce a Kanuri grammar? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ali Eisami. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ali Eisami), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Franz Kafka

Thank you for another good one. Slave memories, banned memories, admonished memories (short version, + hope is precious) ... thanks from cabal of the outcast. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever add Adriaan de Bruin and the other to the stats? Or do I have to do that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for 1 the Road

On 6 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1 the Road, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an artificial intelligence wrote a novel in the spirit of Jack Kerouac's On the Road? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1 the Road. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 1 the Road), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Long-standing errors

After over a decade and a half finally someone — me! — has read a book. I've related the unfortunate truth that I found out at AFD. Alas, I have things to do. Lurkers here at Doktoro's talk page might relish the challenge of reading books, and pick up where I left off. You'll discover that Aquapasto is a name of one company's product, for starters, and we probably could do with using the generic name for the stuff. Uncle G (talk) 13:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AfD Central

Pinging User:MaskedSinger and User:William2001: please look at this again: the AfDs, the associated pages, the comments here by Uncle G, etc. But for y'all's delete votes I could simply close them and be done with it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see what the issue is. The page doesn't have a single source or reference. In current form, it must be deleted or possibly redirected. If one is so vested that it stay, build up the page to reflect its importance, significance and notability. If one line in 15 years is the best that can be done. QED. Can I just say that the person who created this page was a known sock and all 3 pages cited above were ALL created by the same editor. MaskedSinger (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why, MaskedSinger, you should read the entire account. I hate to say it but you are wrong: please read Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. What matters not is what condition the article is in; what matters is whether the topic is notable in its own right. You are, essentially, arguing a. it was by a sock (but that's not a valid reason for deletion) and b. it's not a good article (which is also not a reason for deletion). Drmies (talk) 16:58, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No Drmies. I'm saying it's unsourced which means there's no justification for the one line. I wasn't arguing it was a sock - I added that as after the fact point. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is that you're saying "it's unsourced", and that is not a valid reason for deletion. "There are no sources" is a better reason, if indeed there are no sources. But for Surautomatism there are sources, as Spinningspark demonstrated, and for Sifflage/Soufflage a solution has now been found. For Aquapasto, Watercolor#Transparency might be a good target for a redirect. Drmies (talk) 17:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's unsourced and there are no sources are the same thing. If you think it should stay at the very least put a tag on it CAT:UNREF WP:ALS MaskedSinger (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MaskedSinger: I think what Drmies meant by saying "there are no sources" is that "a source cannot be found." William2001(talk) 18:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmies: Hello. What do you mean by "simply close them?" Close them as keep or delete? Are you telling us to reconsider our delete !votes? Just confused about what message you and Uncle G are trying to get across. Thanks. William2001(talk) 18:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've no idea what this conversation is about, but the key point for me in the AFD I'm involved in is that unsourced does not mean unsourceable. To continue to call for deletion after valid sources have been brought to your attention on the grounds that those sources have not (yet) been put in the article is downright disruptive. As Drmies said, AFD is not cleanup. SpinningSpark 19:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • In that case, Spinningspark, I think you know very well what's doing on, and thank you for your comments in the AfD. MaskedSinger, "it's unsourced" is a statement about the article; "there are no sources" is a statement about the reality of existing sources. The first is not a reason for deletion; only the second is. User:William2001, I don't see what confusion there could be. We have three articles at AfD, and for all of them you two voted "delete". One of them has been shown to be on a notable subject; the two others are valid search terms that are now redirects. Yes, I want to close them, keeping one as an article and keeping the titles as redirects for the two others. Yes I am asking you do reconsider your delete votes so that I can close them early--otherwise they're just going to be open for another couple of days. Uncle G and I are old experienced seasoned enough to smell where these AfDs will be going... Drmies (talk) 22:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This German bucket is from New Gallifrey, Doktoro, which we are told is at the end of the universe. I think that that might be a conflation with New Gallifrey, perhaps.

I don't know what seasoning Doktoro is covered in that makes xem smell, but all that I am asking is that people check out what is said in books so that we have what is right rather than what User:Daniel C. Boyer gave us. If pressed on the subject, I would argue that a prophylactic redirect at soufflage is the best course of action, because people are going to read these books that plagiarized Wikipedia and it is best that they get pointed to the right place. Maybe I am wrong about how much there is on the subject, but both the nominator and another person seem happy for a redirect to the section in the larger article. As for the others: please read sources and find out what is correct. I've been slightly busy with the ₹4,000 crore (equivalent to ₹50 billion or A$900 million in 2023) scandal that is threatening to rock the Karnataka government. I've even had to hand over the German buckets at User talk:Hans Adler#Respite, although it seems that the pigeons came home to roost there based upon my past history.

Uncle G (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Totally impertinent aside. Every time I see this thread, I think of Little Adolf (the pigeon) from The Producers. giving a tiny little pigeon salute.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Hey

Drmies I just Reverted it since an experienced editor put it back? Since the Nazi did persecute Clergy Just a Example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Barracks_of_Dachau_Concentration_Camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims#Roman_Catholics Jack90s15 (talk) 00:47, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK but Thanks El_C for still wanting to help!Jack90s15 (talk) 01:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jack90s15, if you have specific questions you could drop them on my talk page. Some very nice people stop by here occasionally, and they might could help you out. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks will do!!! Drmies

Pamela Geller

I intended to go through and restore edits we can agree on, one by one. And I started to do this. Most of these edits can no be undone on a single basis. What else could I do? Jason from nyc (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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