User talk:EdJohnston: Difference between revisions

Zukertort

I provided sources for the edit, and user:Quale was fine with the edit after it was modified, check his talk page. I don’t »hop ips«, that’s my provider and it’s beyond my control. I wasn’t edit warring, the other party was. Lots of accusations and unfounded claims on your part that you used for an arbitrary move. Good to see in which direction Wikipedia is headed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a04:4540:641d:4900:4d1f:aa0d:b168:3d47 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

This must be about

• WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive410#User:2A04:4540:641C:4500:3D5E:C88D:1074:EF93 reported by User:MaxBrowne2 (Result: Semi).

Feel free to post on the article talk page and try to persuade others to support your preferred edit. IP-hopping in a dispute is not helpful, and it can easily be avoided. Thousands of people successfully edit with accounts all the time. From a look at User talk:Quale it is unclear if he supports the version you want. You could discuss it further there. EdJohnston (talk) 14:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Suspected socking case

I noticed you've blocked me for three months. However, the recent edits that have been traced to me aren't actually mine. I've only been editing UFC event pages and articles pertaining to the ICC Awards lately, so I suspect foul play is involved here. Most of this disruptive editing hasn't really been done by me and I'm hoping you'll unblock me when I next log out. — 29cwcst (talk) 06:05, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Is your IP in the range Special:Contributions/2001:8003:4141:CE00::/64? If so, is there some reason you can't edit with the account you are using now? If you make large numbers of edits especially on fight-related topics, disputes may occasionally arise, and wide-ranging IPs are nearly impossible to contact via their talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 14:07, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Yes it is, judging by the names of articles and pages that have been edited. However, you leave me no other choice but to log in and edit via my account by not removing this block. Is that really necessary, especially for the next three months? — 29cwcst (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Your behavior is not against the WP:Sock policy though it does make it harder for other people to follow what is going on. In this case, there is a vandal editing from a large /35 range and you have the misfortune of having IPs in that range. So you are working at a disadvantage. In my opinion it is not practical to lift the large rangeblock at this time. Unfortunately there is no option to selectively unblock subranges. EdJohnston (talk) 02:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Seriously, is being a Wikipedia editor really this thankless? Don't answer that by the way, it was a rhetorical question. — 29cwcst (talk) 03:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for swiftly blocking User:2600:1702:1450:2BE0:5DF7:662A:5535:BAE4. Cheers. JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Dispute about Nicholas II of Russia

• Nicholas II of Russia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Mattia332 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hello. There is a slow motion edit war dispute occurring on Nicholas II of Russia [1] between several users. It is over whether the term "execution" or a change to the term "murder" (and their variants in the article) is the correct term to use regarding the killing of the Tsar. "Execution" appears in the stable version prior to the dispute [2] and the term used at Execution of the Romanov family.

I have not become involved because I'm not sure how to properly mediate the issue. Since you are involved in the edit war boards, I figured the best course was to ask, watch, and learn. Thank you in advance.   // Timothy :: talk  01:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

It appears that User:Mattia332 keeps changing the article to replace 'execution' with 'murder'. Their first change was probably this one on 10 June. I'll notify them of this discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, i have to say that im just applying the outcome of basically all discussions on the matter on the talk page of the Nicholas II's page, indeed im sad to beging called in a "slow motion edit "war" " But indeed, the term murmer have been chosen de facto when he was declared innocent by the russian court of Justice, and even if this would have not outcurred the term is becoming day by day obsolete, but, apart this fact, simply the word "Execution" means an systematic thing, the Romanov family murder was not. It happened in a basament, informally, and many of the murders were drunk. I hope you will understand this, cheers - Mattia332 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Disputes are settled here by consensus. User:Mattia332, can you give the name of even one editor who agrees with you on usage of the word 'murder'? If you revert again, you are risking a block. EdJohnston (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I did some checking with the two sources I have. Robert Massie (Nicholas and Alexandra: The Classic Account of the Fall of the Romanov Dynasty) and Robert Service (The Last of the Tsars: Nicholas II and the Russia Revolution) use both terms.

@Mattia332: I apologize if my use of "slow motion edit war" was offensive. I honestly intended no disrespect to anyone and was simply trying to find a way to mediate this. Please forgive any offense as it was unintended. I have also modified my original comment.   // Timothy :: talk  02:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: Thanks, and don't worry, i just wanted to say that it's kinda strange call this a "war". For the sources, here: (Quoting the Court decision; this article for example use the words slaying, murderand kill/killing https://www.france24.com/en/20081001-last-tsar-czar-nicholas-II-russian-revolution-justice . Also, to make this short, it's was a murder since it had no legal means and was plus recognized as such, on 1 October 2008, as the Supreme Court of Russia ruled that Nicholas II and his family were victims of political persecution (sources BBC News. Russia's last Tsar rehabilitated. Retrieved on 1 October 2008, "Last Tsar's family rehabilitated". Russiatoday.com. 1 October 2008. Archived from the original on 24 January 2009. Retrieved 7 September 2009, "Russia's Last Tsar Declared Victim of Repression". TIME. I also sadly suspect that somebody is using VNPs to enforce his term over mine, because the non-create profile of 70.74.206.47 has just one edit, and it's just for Nicholas II in this question, so again sadly this made me suspicious.. (Also i wanted to say that really many talks, since 2014, have made about this matter, and most of them ended with the murder term support, for the several reasons i quoted about) - - Mattia332 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hello Mattia332. In Wikipedia terms this *is* an WP:Edit war. You are advised to wait for talk page consensus before editing the article again. Your own reasoning from your preferred sources doesn't decide the matter; you need to persuade the others. For this kind of dispute, the judgment of mainstream historians would be most relevant. Where can we find the "really many talks since 2014" where "most of them ended with the murder term support?" You should be able to link to some of them. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Users that agree with me trought the Talks held the the discussion page of Nicholas II of Russia, with either the terms i proposed of assassination, murder or killing... : Averell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), FlaviaR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), MJFroggie (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), 122.106.255.204 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Keltara (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Jeanne Boleyn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Sdsures (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Федоров (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), 71.114.16.212 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I hope this will list will be useful. -- Mattia332 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Mattia442, thanks for trying to summarize. However, some of these opinions are very old (2008), and a couple of the people you listed don't exist (maybe they are misspelled?) The best way get a decision on consensus is to open a WP:Request for comment on the talk page. If you want to do that, I can assist. Please WP:SIGN your name properly. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 12:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I see, then i thanks you and hereby ask to help me in that of Nicholas II's, neutrally speaking deserve more than outdated word that for for dictionary means a formal and legally recognized thing... Cheers. Mattia332 (talk) 9:49, 18 June 2020 (CET)

Blocked account

• Michael773623 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi Ed, not sure why, but it seems you Blocked my IP address Michael773623 (talk) 10:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

What address? If you don't want it publicly known, send me email. EdJohnston (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Michael773623 (talk) 21:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

That exact address has no edits. But /64 does have edits and it is probably yours. So far, the /64 has only two edits, while you have made 364 edits with your named account, Michael773623 (talk · contribs). You can still edit using your account even though the underlying IP is blocked. (It is only a soft block). Does that pose an inconvenience? The rangeblock I placed is intended to stop a vandal, who is obviously not you. EdJohnston (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I tried to add some Citations yesterday, I could enter the data but the Edits didn't appear, so it seemed to me it was a full block - I'll try later today to see if it works :-) Michael773623 (talk) 22:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC) Confirming, EdJohnston I am still not able to Edit Michael773623 (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

What article were you attempting to change? Are you trying to change it with your registered account or with your IP? EdJohnston (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I tried to add citations to existing text re Marc Newson, and add new text to The Saturday Paper but the citations won't load there either. I have been Logged In both times Michael773623 (talk) 05:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I see you have been able to make edits at Loreto Mandeville Hall on 19th June . If you got an error message at one of the other articles, what did it say? EdJohnston (talk) 12:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks EdJohnston - I was testing what was possible, I can Add and Delete text but I can't add a Citation. The Citation dialog box appears, I enter the data and press Insert, and I land back on the Edit page but the Citation hasn't loaded. I guess the issue is that if I can't add citations, I can't really Edit. Michael773623 (talk) 00:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

You are using one of the programs listed in Help:Citation tools, or the WP:Visual editor? EdJohnston (talk) 03:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I believe I'm using the Visual Editor, I haven't learnt how to manually add citations Michael773623 (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Consider asking at the WP:Teahouse. There is also a WP:Help desk. Since I don't generally use the Visual Editor I wouldn't be of much help. EdJohnston (talk) 03:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi EdJohnston, I've worked out how to manually enter Citations - thx, feel free to Delete this chain of msgs Michael773623 (talk) 03:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Punjab Sports University

On 6 September 2019, you indefinitely semi-move-protected Punjab Sports University due to its history of move-warring by IPs over the name, and as per a rough consensus that Punjab Sports University is the common name. However, it seems that it has a longer name again. It appears that User:Anthony Appleyard has also been trying to clean up the mess that these IPs are making. Are they gaming the semi-move-protection again somehow? Please figure out what is going on, and do whatever needs to be done. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

They are gaming the move-protection by inserting a redirect at the top of the page. The fix to that would seem to be to semi-protect Punjab Sports University to prevent these side-door moves. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I've semiprotected the article and kept the semi-move-protection. Hopefully that takes care of it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

That is what I thought we needed. It seems that inserting a redirect at the top of a move-protected page is a species of bean that one can stick in one's ears or feed to the duck. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Konli17 Block

• Konli17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Tell Abyad (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear EdJohnston, I have noticed you have blocked Konli17. But he actually has explained his edit around the disputed Washington Post quote rather good at the talk page, and it makes sense to me. Tell Abyad was surely not detached from the Raqqa Governorate "unilateraly" by the SDF/YPG in 2015. The capital of the Raqqa Governorate was at the time Raqqa, and Raqqa a large territory surrounding it was Governed by the Islamic State well into 2016. Raqqa fell only in October 2017. The rest is explained at the Talk page. Maybe you could have a look at it there, too. I think he should be deblocked.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Konli7 can use the {{unblock}} template if he wants to and then other admins will review the block. EdJohnston (talk) 01:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ed, sorry for keeping you busy with this, but please follow the this Talk page. User Paradise Chronicle is just taking over the edit-war campaign, although in a more civilized way. Please see the arguments presented and judge for yourself! Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

My block of Konli7 followed a discussion I had with him at User talk:Konli17#June 2020. Even so, Konli17 is not the only one whose edits cause concern. I have alerted User:عمرو بن كلثوم to the community sanctions under WP:GS/ISIL. I hope that the Tell Abyad article will settle down because it is annoying to have to work with those community sanctions, as we did at Rojava. The sanctions, especially the 1RR, make editing more difficult for the participants. It is a good idea for editors to use WP:RFC or WP:DRN for contested issues. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Edits

I'm responding (I think) to this issue, that I don't really see as an issue