User talk:Heptor

Welcome, and good link

Hi Heptor!: Though we have been arguing, I see that no one has welcomed you to WIkipedia yet, so I will now. So, Welcome! Someone less lazy than me can put up a box of helpful links here. Good link you put up at the 48 war page, I'm reading it now; the 48 war page should use stuff from it. Hope you read my comments at the AI page. I agree that there should be something that should be in the place of "fought to destroy" similar to earlier versions, but I've just been trying to find something well-source that would fit both your and Brian's objections, have ironclad indisputable sourcing and merge well into the article - I think my latest try is good. Again, hope you have a good time here, and keep up the good work. John Z 16:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I didn't want to loose it, so I added it to Wiki instead of favs :-) I think your last version is good one in the respect that it tells what happened: Arab coalition's intention was indeed to establish one state in Palestine. This plan would naturally involve removing Israel, and this should be written more clearly. I start to believe that we agree on the factual matter. How about 'The Arab states proclaimed their aim to remove the Israeli state and create a "United State of Palestine"'? BTW, what is the AI page?--Heptor 22:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Amusing about the link - me too, partly I write on Wikipedia for myself so I don't forget stuff later or have it lost in my bookmarks. Like I said, I am lazy, so I only wrote AI page instead of Arab-Israeli conflict. I wrote it that clumsy way because I wanted to stay close enough to the diplomatese in the cablegram, and not put words in their mouth. I am putting it up at Wikisource and will put in a link, look for it in a day or two. It's written in a very wordy way, and most of it is their view of the history of the conflict. They don't say "remove the Israeli state" or anything exactly similar, but very obviously imply it; the link I gave has much, but not all of the relevant parts. Maybe you, me and Brian should look at it once its done and we can agree on wording.John Z 14:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea to me. BTW, sorry I reverted your edits in the beginning. The revert was targeted at Brian and his edits. The entire set of edits made article hostile to Israel, underplaying the fact that Israel was forced into this war out of self-defence. I actually agree with Brian that "invaded Palestine" sounds silly. First, because them entering the region was not the cause of war by itself, then because Jordan itself was located on what was the British mandate of Palestine (map). Should be "entered Palestine to destroy the [new-born, newly-created, nascent] Jewish state". --Heptor 17:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia

I see you are a fairly new editor, and seem knowledgeable about the situation in Israel; I thought you might be interested in the discussion at Talk:Territories under Israeli control. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Warning! Watch out for the 3 revert rule!

Re the Mufti quote. Kriegman 16:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Halibutt

Since you stated in your vote that user Radiant's opinons matters highly to you, and in case you are not monitoring the vote as closely as I am (being the nomiantor at all), I thought I'd let you know that Radiant has changed his vote to neutral. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 23:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking time to review the new comments. Would you consider removing the # symbol from your vote, so it wouldn't affect the numbering (and thus counting)?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 14:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody already considered that for me :) --Heptor 21:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibu tt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1948 War

What do you think of Ian's recent addition to the Great uprising section. As always Ian has adaquately sourced all the controversial passages he has included. However, I still feel that much of it is inappropriate, I understand that it is reflecting the arab point of view but still referring to the war as "The Catastrophe" is ridiculous? What do you think about all this?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 08:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I consider the entire page a case of selective anti-Israeli propaganda. It is dominated by one-sided sourcing and wording. I believe an appropriate action will be to put up an extensive POV-because tag, with an adequate explanation on the talk page. Please see my draft. This is just a draft, feel free to expand and improve. I would like to know what other people feel about adding such tag before editing it further.

--Heptor 22:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

When I think over it, one could present the case to the arbitration comitee. It would be also possible to present Zero's abuse of his adminitration priviliges under WP:PPol#How, point 2, and repeated violations of Wikipedia:Civility. Anyway, I believe there should be a POV tag as well.

--Heptor 00:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

take a look at the Palestinian exodus page. I am amzed that a person that edits with such lack of civility (like Zero) is an admin. Zeq 16:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Unfortunatly I have to be away from Wikipedia for a while. I reviewed the discussion on Palestinian exodus. Just the same pattern repeating itself: Ian and Zero do extensive research materials unfavourable to Israel, add this information to Wikipedia and then prevent everyone else from adding more neutral sources or modifying the wording of the article.

As they clearly devote an enormous amount of effort to that end, it is will be hard to follow up on them. Still, at the least, those article should have an extensive POV-because tag. I hope you will review my draft intended for the 1948 Arab-Israeli war article. --Heptor 00:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I signed on your draft. Please look at this revert [1] best, Zeq 14:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Why do you refer to Ian Pitchford as Ian Aidens? Do you know something I don't know? Who is Ian Aidens? Kriegman 20:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did I do that? Where? If I did, it was by mistake of course. I usually write only "Ian" for brevity. And who is Ian Aidens? Do you mean Aiden Cathasaigh? He hasn't been on Wiki for a while... --Heptor 23:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please review

Talk:Palestinian_exodus#Reply_to_Doron Zeq 10:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aknowledged. But, I have to be away from Wikipedia for a while, so I may not be able to help with the editing. --Heptor 23:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Settlement Police

Hey Heptor, Ian Pitchford has pretty much edited to this article into a piece of propaganda, he has methodically taken the obviously wrong passages from the 1948 war article and placed it in this new article. It is a fact that Wingate couldn't really be classified as a "christian Zionist" the way that Ian insists, also he basically makes the group sound like evil men who terrify arabs for no reason. Anyways, I could really use your support edited the article.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 02:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1948 Arab-Israeli War

Zeq;Heptor – I’d like to clarify what is meant by a reference as you both seem to believe you have included them in the article. References to verifiable sources are normally given so that readers who are interested in a particular issue can go directly to the original source to verify that it does in fact make that claim and/or to find out more. The claims you are adding to this article do not have sources. For example, where would a reader go to find out more about the mufti being “one of the few identified leaders of the Palestinian Arabs”? Where would a reader go (i.e., author, publication and page number) to find the specific claim that the mufti made “radio broadcasts exhorting Muslims to ally with the Nazis in war against their common enemies” and how would they find and verify the specific quotation given? At the moment there is just a link to two entire books. It’s not clear whether the quotation is in both books and if it is there are no page references to make it easy to find the specific quotation. What source would a reader consult to verify that in “the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust, such statements by Arab leaders (along with the Mufti's violently antisemitic history) led to a widespread belief that the Israelis were facing a genocidal enemy.” Who is making reference to the Holocaust? Who claims that the mufti was “violently anti-Semitic”; who claims that there was a widespread belief that the Israelis were facing a genocidal enemy? Without sources readers have no reason to accept these claims and no way of checking them. --Ian Pitchford 14:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ian, please place this article-related discussion on the article talk page. Firstly, such discussions may become both lengthy and hot-tempered, and I want neither on may talk page. Secondly, any user who reads the article may be interested in the discusson. --Heptor 16:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Settlement Police

Heptor, please stop removing sourced content from this article. If you want to expand it using material that you have read then please do so. How does it make any sense to have two sentences following each other both referring to Wingate and both referring to the fact that he formed the SNS? Black does not say Wingate was a "renounced Zionist supporter" in the source given. He says that Wingate was a "fervent Christian Zionist". I even gave you a direct link to this source so that you could check it youself. Please don't alter the article to indicate that the source says something it doesn't [2]. This could be regarded as vandalism. --Ian Pitchford 18:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]