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S.Twa also indigenous, like Kwisi etc. (Inskepe). Kwisi may have once had cattle?

upload new rongorongo R photos.

finish to-do at Template talk:Braille.

Third edition (2013) World Braille for download.

download link. VanIsaac_{WS Vex}^contribs 11:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! — kwami (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

revert? why

Can you tell, why you revert my edit on Bengali language.i'm not understand. thanks--Aftab1995 (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, there. I fixed the font (use Siyam Rupali font which is standard bengali font & this font used in bengali wikipedia as a default font)--Aftab1995 (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Those fonts are just ugly. They look like they were drawn with a pencil. The original font wasn't great, but it did make the page more attractive, and it was more in line with how Bengali typically looks in print. Usually when we add text at huge font sizes, we try for something that looks good up close. — kwami (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a lot better. There are probably even more attractive founts out there, but that one's not bad. — kwami (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

saraiki language

You have my posting in jhangvi dialect. I have given reference. kindly look in to matter Saraiki is a language, Multani, riasti, thali, Derwali may be deleted please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sraiki (talk • contribs) 05:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Please take it to talk. There's already a merge discussion underway. — kwami (talk) 05:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

New Mandarin article (Mandarin (late imperial lingua franca))

Hi, a new article was just created recently by Kanguole titled Mandarin (late imperial lingua franca). Since you are a long time contributor on the Mandarin Chinese article, you might want to take a look at it. I think the new article could easily be merged into the main Mandarin Chinese article, given the timeline and information in the new article isn't all that different and many aspects are already covered in Mandarin Chinese. Thanks.--TheLeopard (talk) 11:22, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I just saw that. Personally, I like having specialized topics like this spun off, so I'm fine with it as it is. More accessible, IMO. We could always reduce some of the info in the main article if there's too much overlap.

My main quibble is that I'd think "Middle Mandarin" would be a more appropriate title. — kwami (talk) 11:29, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Hyphen vs. endash

You may be interested in the following requested move: talk:Epstein–Barr virus#Requested move, which partially involves the suggestion of using a hyphen where an endash is technically appropriate (in "Epstein–Barr virus", because it was discovered by Epstein and Barr). --JorisvS (talk) 16:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Move the Mandarin Chinese article

Hi, I noticed that a user The Holy Four has started a request move on the talk page of Mandarin Chinese; requesting the article to be move to "Mandarin dialects". You and other users might want to check it out.--TheLeopard (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Tamil Language

Can You Please contribute and build the wikipeia pages of Tamil Language and Tamil Language Generic ? Please It will be highly hlpful . Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.218.50.104 (talk) 02:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking, or what the second page is. — kwami (talk) 02:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Angle bracket

Hi, I just saw you were rolling out that new {{Angle bracket}}. For me, the math-coded brackets look rather tall and disrupt the line spacing. Do you think that could be improved? I recognize using normal directly inserted unicode characters may meet with some difficulties owing to font coverage. I remember we had a discussion about them some time ago on Talk:Greek alphabet/archive 2. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The nice thing about the template is that we can change all the articles at once. I'm not sure how much a problem direct input actually is: We have tons of angle brackets at Greek alphabet, which is a high-traffic article, but I don't recall any complaints. It's not a matter of font coverage: All 22 of our test fonts display them just fine. The problem is Microsoft OS's such as XP, which are, well, Microsoft.

Sure, we can play around with line height if we can figure out what's causing the problem. What would be nice would be to test for the reader's OS and only generate sub characters if it's XP or Vista, but I doubt we can do that. — kwami (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I obviously quite agree with the idea of using a template for this. I've added a comparison of possible solutions at Template talk:Angle bracket. If we aren't actually aware with any concrete display problem with directly inserted Unicode characters, shouldn't we just go for those instead of the math code? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure. And if it's just one person, we can't be expected to customize WP to him. Also, if we decide against this, we can always revert it w a bot. — kwami (talk) 13:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've tried using the unicode characters. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, so the talk was going on. Anyway, as long as the changes are not fleshed out into something stable (at the right talkpage), the template should not go in article space. AND & OR, changing back to the original (bad) brackets makes this template and its background sort of a useless addition (except maybe for the minor single-point-change argument, which is asking for flip-flop conclusions). -DePiep (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

We'll get more feedback if it's in some high-traffic pages. What works for the people who have problems now might not work for others. — kwami (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Origin of ŋ

It seems the First grammatical treatise in old Icelandic was using a letter ǥ (or g̶ or g̵) to represent the sound /ŋ/. I’m not sure if there are other old Icelandic using a letter for /ŋ/, or more specifically if there is one using ŋ. --Moyogo/ (talk) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope you're able to find out. That's not the kind of statement that many people would catch if wrong. — kwami (talk) 01:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Better to assume no clue than to escalate ad hominem argument

Kwami, with all due respect, don't be an ass. If the user says he has a problem, assume he has a problem. You can assume no clue, but there is no need to make the argument (more) personal. Cnilep (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't calling him an ass for having a problem, I was calling him an ass for accusing people of bad faith and conspiring to conceal his problem. — kwami (talk) 04:21, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

As I read it, the user didn't actually accuse you of bad faith or dishonesty. S/He did make the argument somewhat personal ('but you don't see it, so does it mean it doesn't exist??') but also allowed that the problem might be his/hers ('What OS are you using?? I'm using Win XP.') The IP's behavior was somewhat inappropriate, but there was no need to escalate. Cnilep (talk) 04:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Tyrannosaurus

With all due respect, generally at WP:DINO we try to form consensus before removing an image from articles, so the removal of Dinoguy's T.rex with only the explanation "del. image as OR. Sure, it had feathered relatives, and may have had feathered young, but large animals tend to not have thick coats unless they live in the Arctic. Any RS that T. rex had anything like this?" is jarring, considering most images deemed questionable go through [review on this page] before being removed from articles. Dromaeosaurus is best dinosaur (talk) 14:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

With such obvious OR, wouldn't the proposer need to find consensus to include it? — kwami (talk) 14:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Generally in the biological sciences, phylogenetic bracketing isn't considered OR, though, and WP:DINO follows that mindset as a rule of thumb. OR, in WP:DINO terms, is like saying "Dilophosaurus posessed venom because of the notch in it's jaws" rather then putting up a single image of a feathered tyrannosaur and saying it's supported by phylogenetic bracketing. And the artist, Matt Martyniuk, is a well-respected prehistoric bird expert, as well as the fact the image recieved little biologically sensible complaints (and the fact me, Funk and Matt himself all agreed it better to put in then the image originally there), it already had consensus when it was posted into the article, which was a positive one, with only three complaints, two of those being IP users and Rob, who's only gripe was it looked like a bad photoshop job and not the integument itself. You also dredged up a month-old conversation just because you didn't like the image and didn't even consult anyone on the Dinosaur WikiProject about it; just up and removed it. I know you're a former admin but you still need to develop a consensus on matters like this before removing images. Excuse me if I sound a little agressive, I've had a little trouble sleeping as of late and thus I've been a little grouchy. Dromaeosaurus is best dinosaur (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You don't sound aggressive or grouchy.

I assume T. rex had feathers of some kind. That would be supported by bracketing and I doubt is very controversial. But there's a big difference between drawing an elephant and a wooly mammoth, though they both have hair. The OR is not in supposing that it had feathers, somewhere or at some age, but that it had such a thick coat as an adult, and that's where I suspect most paleontologists would take issue. There's a general principle that massive animals have sparse insulation to prevent overheating, except in cold climates. If "feathers" means anything goes, we might as well attach a peacock's tail. — kwami (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Serbian language

Why did you revert my edit? Let's discuss it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albatalad (talk • contribs) 19:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Bosnian too, right? And Montenegrin? — kwami (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Bosnian officially uses both scripts but Bosniaks never use Cyrillic. Bosnian Wikipedia doesn't have Cyrillic.

Montenegrin does not as commonly use both scripts (not an "ACTIVE" digraphia) as they mostly use Latin, but I'd accept the argument.

Anyway, how about you change the whole sentence because the article is on Serbian language not Serbo-Croatian!

Maybe change it to "Serbian is a language with an active digraphia" ?

That's fine. We could maybe say it's more active with Serbian than with the others. — kwami (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Fair Enough :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albatalad (talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin

You may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin.
—Wavelength (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected

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WP:3RR

Reacquaint yourself with it. You're not only the one edit warring at Help:IPA for English; you've actually violated it. In the future, go to the talk page (or check the actual OED, which gives the pronunciation I am using).

When I revert your unhelpful edit tomorrow (WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM), do not revert them three times without having established a consensus or I'll have to take it up with the 3RR board, including today's violation. If you can find other examples in actual common English use, I'm fine with using those instead. — LlywelynII 08:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read the intro to the OED so you understand what it says. Also, you're the one changing the key, so you are the one who needs to come up with consensus. Come on, this is kindergarten stuff. — kwami (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

As a side note, I still can't find any footnote there that is actually on point. I assume you had one in mind: what was it? (And, in the future, in your edit note or on the other editor's talk page, it's probably good to be more specific when a page has as many notes as that one does.) — LlywelynII 08:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you're referring to either. Where is "there"? — kwami (talk) 22:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

3:rr board

Please see [[1]] about a situation you may be invovled in. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I was running up against 3RR myself. — kwami (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Mandarin RM

I have reverted your close. The fact that the RM was started by a banned user is not a sufficient reason for a close if editors in good standing have commented (see Wikipedia:Speedy keep for a similar situation). It's doubly inappropriate for someone involved in the discussion to be doing it. Kanguole 01:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

That's fine. — kwami (talk) 01:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Gallo-Romance

Hello, why did you take out the maps, that are exact ? Most specialists of Romance languages say nowadays there are only 2 Gallo-Romance languages. Occitano-Romance and Gallo-Italic are transitional languages between Ibero-Romance and Italo-Romance. Concerning Dalby, he is not a specialist of the Romance languages. Better sources have to be foundNortmannus (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Discussed at Talk. I reverted several changes that made the article incoherent, such as removing French, until we get this sorted out & coordinated with other articles. Meanwhile the article shouldn't contradict itself. — kwami (talk) 06:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic_groups_in_Pakistan

Kindly change the map, Existing map is wrong. Upload the map showing Saraiki.

• http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Ethnic_groups_in_Pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.80.221 (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

You want the language map. That's the ethnic map. — kwami (talk) 16:57, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you're an expert to make fake linguistic maps to scam readers.--113.168.109.185 (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Uh, I didn't make the map. Do try to have some awareness of what you're talking about. — kwami (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Symbol ">" in historical sound change

Dear Kwamikagami, I see you changing the ">" symbol to "→" (referring to historical sound change) in a number of articles, and I wonder what might be the reasoning for that. I know that the symbol ">" has a different meaning in mathematics ("is greater than"). But I am also aware that ">" ("shaftless arrowhead") has been traditionally used in historical linguistics for many decades, to mean "becomes" or "is replaced by". In fact, I am aware that, for some linguists, the symbols ">" and "→" have contrasting meanings: ">" for historical sound change, and "→" for symbol replacement in a (synchronic) phrase-structure grammar. Can you cite some precedent for the use of "→" as a symbol for historical change? Respectfully, Kotabatubara (talk) "_in_historical_sound_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Megalai Ehoiai

Hi Kwami, I just saw your edit to Megalai Ehoiai. I haven't added a lot of IPA, so I probably formatted it incorrectly, but your AWB edit added a tag that read "tone was wrong", and I don't understand that since when I look at Help:IPA for Greek it appears that what was in the article previously matches the guidelines. So, what do think needs to be addressed here? Thanks a bunch for any help you can give,  davidiad { t } 18:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)