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:::::::::Whatever you say, if you say animals can be citizens then fine, even though you've not provided a scrap of proof. I suppose that means the mice in my shed are citizens too, yet I can legally kill them. [[user:RMHED|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Garibaldi Baconfat'''</font>]] 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC) |
:::::::::Whatever you say, if you say animals can be citizens then fine, even though you've not provided a scrap of proof. I suppose that means the mice in my shed are citizens too, yet I can legally kill them. [[user:RMHED|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Garibaldi Baconfat'''</font>]] 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I haven't said they are or aren't citizens. I said they have rights and responsibilities like human citizens, in response to your suggestion that the idea was controversial. You haven't provided any proof that animals aren't citizens either. I suspect proving that animals don't have nationalities would be very difficult. And of course animals don't all have the same rights. You can kill mice, but not monkeys, for example. I think mice do have a right to be killed humanely though. Like if you went around stamping on mice in public, you could be arrested. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 21:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC) |
::::::::::I haven't said they are or aren't citizens. I said they have rights and responsibilities like human citizens, in response to your suggestion that the idea was controversial. You haven't provided any proof that animals aren't citizens either. I suspect proving that animals don't have nationalities would be very difficult. And of course animals don't all have the same rights. You can kill mice, but not monkeys, for example. I think mice do have a right to be killed humanely though. Like if you went around stamping on mice in public, you could be arrested. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 21:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::If you want to add content that asserts animals have citizenship then the responsibility is yours to provide the reference to back it up, a Daily Mail headline just doesn't cut it. This is the UK, you can be arrested here just for minding your own business, then DNA swabbed, then stuck on a database, aint democracy wonderful. [[user:RMHED|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Garibaldi Baconfat'''</font>]] 22:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Revolutionary bacon
Your user page is looking good. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree it mights mighty tasty. MrMacMan Talk 10:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the above: Garibaldi is indeed one sexy hunk of man. -kotra (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
- Rumour has it he possessed a 13 inch cock. Garibaldi Baconfat 20:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, there's an article about that too ....... Pedro : Chat 20:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the above: Garibaldi is indeed one sexy hunk of man. -kotra (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
This ref [1], as found in the dog's article, states that the dog is British. Do not remove this info again from the deaths in 2010 article, as it is perfectly legitimate. No ref is required there for nationality, only for the death itself. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- So you're saying Otto is a British citizen? Garibaldi Baconfat 21:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- The ref says the dog was British. No mention of "citizenship" is required in refs for any other subject on that article, nor is it required for this one. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- The top of the Recent deaths page gives listing criteris as : Name, age, country of citizenship and reason for notability, established cause of death, reference.
- You'll be removing all nationalities of the other entries then. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- No, I just find it rather controversial to claim that an animal has a nationality unlike a person where it's the norm. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it's controversial at all. Nationality is ascribed to people via passports or place of birth. Plenty of animals such as dogs, all racehorses and sporting animals, and many zoo animals have passports, and all animals have a place of birth. Citizenship carries with it rights and responsibilities, which animals are subject to, like humans. Animals have rights that are given to them by the state, and they are also subject to its laws, via their owners. Generally, an animal's nationality is irrelevant to its life, but in cases where the animal is notable, a nationality is often used. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well the next time you see an adult animal at a polling booth I'd love to know. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Being a citizen of a country has nothing to do with voting rights. Children are citizens of a country but have no vote. Prisoners etc.. it's a non-sequitur. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Whatever you say, if you say animals can be citizens then fine, even though you've not provided a scrap of proof. I suppose that means the mice in my shed are citizens too, yet I can legally kill them. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't said they are or aren't citizens. I said they have rights and responsibilities like human citizens, in response to your suggestion that the idea was controversial. You haven't provided any proof that animals aren't citizens either. I suspect proving that animals don't have nationalities would be very difficult. And of course animals don't all have the same rights. You can kill mice, but not monkeys, for example. I think mice do have a right to be killed humanely though. Like if you went around stamping on mice in public, you could be arrested. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- If you want to add content that asserts animals have citizenship then the responsibility is yours to provide the reference to back it up, a Daily Mail headline just doesn't cut it. This is the UK, you can be arrested here just for minding your own business, then DNA swabbed, then stuck on a database, aint democracy wonderful. Garibaldi Baconfat 22:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't said they are or aren't citizens. I said they have rights and responsibilities like human citizens, in response to your suggestion that the idea was controversial. You haven't provided any proof that animals aren't citizens either. I suspect proving that animals don't have nationalities would be very difficult. And of course animals don't all have the same rights. You can kill mice, but not monkeys, for example. I think mice do have a right to be killed humanely though. Like if you went around stamping on mice in public, you could be arrested. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Whatever you say, if you say animals can be citizens then fine, even though you've not provided a scrap of proof. I suppose that means the mice in my shed are citizens too, yet I can legally kill them. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Being a citizen of a country has nothing to do with voting rights. Children are citizens of a country but have no vote. Prisoners etc.. it's a non-sequitur. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well the next time you see an adult animal at a polling booth I'd love to know. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think it's controversial at all. Nationality is ascribed to people via passports or place of birth. Plenty of animals such as dogs, all racehorses and sporting animals, and many zoo animals have passports, and all animals have a place of birth. Citizenship carries with it rights and responsibilities, which animals are subject to, like humans. Animals have rights that are given to them by the state, and they are also subject to its laws, via their owners. Generally, an animal's nationality is irrelevant to its life, but in cases where the animal is notable, a nationality is often used. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- No, I just find it rather controversial to claim that an animal has a nationality unlike a person where it's the norm. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- You'll be removing all nationalities of the other entries then. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- The top of the Recent deaths page gives listing criteris as : Name, age, country of citizenship and reason for notability, established cause of death, reference.
- The ref says the dog was British. No mention of "citizenship" is required in refs for any other subject on that article, nor is it required for this one. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)