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Thomas Ball

Here are some links describing Thomas Ball (activist), mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers%27_rights_movement .

http://archive.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/07/10/divorced_dad_leaves_clues_to_his_desperation/?page=1

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/leader%E2%80%99s-suicide-brings-attention-men%E2%80%99s-rights-movement

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=512 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rationalize (talk • contribs) 15:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Consensus

If you are reverted you are not supposed to add material back you (you not the remover) are supposed to make a case on the talk page. You are right, I am now in danger of edit warring, but I would suggest that you would most likely get criticized too for not following procedure. Hop=ever accusing me of vandalism is a PA, and that is unacceptable. It is not vandalism it is a content dispute and I ask you to keep a civil finger on your keyboard.Slatersteven (talk) 16:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I did not accuse you of vandalism, read it again I merely brought it to your attention that if you reverted me a 3rd time it would be considered vandalism under the WP:3RR policy... That paragraph as I found it did not detail the controversial nature of the event or the people who were the ones being accused of antisemitism. It therefore downplayed the controversial statements said at the event by excluding all reference to them and just listed a long list of unnecessarily detailed quotes from Corbyn in what I can only guess was a fabled attempt by the original writer to distance him from the other speakers. The very reason the paragraph exists on that article was therefore strangely absent from it, so all I did was expand it slightly by giving the reader the reasons behind the controversy without touching the quotes from Corbyn. There is nothing unreasonable or unconsensus about what I did (you may want to read it again [1]). ThinkingTwice ^{contribs | talk} 17:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

'This text is about antisemitism, its an event organised, chaired and attended by Labour members where speakers made antisemitic statements.'

That is an inappropriate edit summary in a revert since it is contended that 'antisemitic' statements were made, not proven.Nishidani (talk) 14:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

It has been proven, feel free to read the widely reported RS articles which quote the statements or watch what people recorded of the event, you can clearly hear the antisemitism being spoken. ThinkingTwice ^{contribs | talk} 14:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I've read them all. It's not proven. What was said was more or less identical to the following remark by Maj.Gen. Yair Golan in 2016

'“The Holocaust must lead us to think about our public life, and more importantly, it must lead everyone who can, not merely those who want, to carry public responsibility. If there is something that frightens me about the memory of the Holocaust, it is seeing the abhorrent processes that took place in Europe, and Germany in particular, some 70, 80 or 90 years ago, and finding manifestations of these processes here among us in 2016. Yoav Zitun IDF backs chief of staff candidate after Lieberman urged not to appoint him Ynet 13 August 2018

That was precisely the point made by speakers at the 2010 meeting. For listening to them, Corbyn is branded an anti-Semite. Having made the same analogy, an Israeli general is now appointed head of the IDF.Nishidani (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Its shocking how people will defend racism by pretending its not racist - yet it is. Unfortunately for Labour, Corbyn can't even see the antisemitism when he is quite literally staring at it in a painted mural in front of his eyes. ThinkingTwice ^{contribs | talk} 16:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)