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Citing IUCN References

Greetings, fellow editors.

I am a new Wikipedia editor and my goal is to help contribute to editing articles on threatened species (mainly Australian Proteaceae and parrot species) to help make knowledge more accessible to the general public, as many people rely on Wikipedia as a source of information. I am currently in the process adding IUCN conservation statuses to species articles that lack them, as well as taking information from reputable and up-to-date sources and adding that information to the species articles.

However, I'm not sure if I am citing my IUCN Red List references correctly, as I have seen some people do it differently. Would anyone be able to help show me how to cite information correctly?

As an example, I will be using the citation for the IUCN Red List status of my most recently edited article, Hakea pulvinifera.

For my citation, I included the title, URL, access date and publisher, using "The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species" as the publisher.

I am not confident that this is correct, which is why I am reaching out for input before I edit any more articles so I can go back and fix them all with the correct information if I am incorrect.

Here is the article I sourced my information from for the IUCN status: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/113088579/113309795

Here is the article I am referring to: Hakea pulvinifera

Thank you for your time. I hope I hear back from someone soon and I hope my edits have been helping to make a positive change for Wikipedia.

Best regards,

Lord.of.the.Proterozoic Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 07:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lord.of.the.Proterozoic. I recommend that you also add the common name as the IUCN listing does, as Lake Keepit Hakea: Hakea pulvinifera. I think that 5 February 2019 is the best publication date. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Cullen328

After reading your suggestion, I decided to look at the IUCN citations of featured plant articles, as well as a page I found on citing IUCN Red List statuses, and noticed that I left a lot out and did it in the wrong format. It is supposed to be done as a journal citation, rather than a website citation. It wants only the scientific name and year of publication included in the citation, as well as the assessors, access date and some numbers, including what is known as a Digital Object Identifier, or DOI.

The assessment date could be done years before the publication date, so I suppose the publication year is the better option.

I will use the information I learned from featured articles, the Wikipedia Cite IUCN template and the recommended citations that are directly on the IUCN assessment sites, all of which I discovered yesterday, and will incorporate it into my recently edited article then seek additional confirmation to ensure it is done correctly.

Would there be any support pages on Wikipedia relating to IUCN citations where I can reach out to?

Thank you for your time and your support. Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lord.of.the.Proterozoic Issues about the template itself can be raised on its Talk Page at Template talk:Cite IUCN or you can just use the standard help desk at WP:HD. Many other pages relating to citations in general exist and they all have Talk Pages but some will have few watchers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull. I suppose I'll ask my question in both pages. Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 10:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

how edit cited reference in form

When editing an article, I know how to create a cited reference (cite; (templates) cite book). This brings up a handy form so I can fill out all the info. But after I create the citation, I want to go back & edit it. I know I can edit the source code, but it would be easier to edit the form. Can that be done, & if so, how?

I know if I want to use that same citation, I can reuse it (named references). But what if I want to use the same reference but a different page number? I know I can copy/paste the source code & change the page #, but is there a way to copy/paste & then access the form to edit it there?

If I want to use the same source in another article, do I have to copy/paste the source code, or is there an easier way? Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 05:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sunandshade: regarding page numbers in references, see WP:CITEPAGE.

AFAIK, once the citation has been created, you can only edit it manually, not by relaunching the cite tool. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade On using different page numbers, there are more than one way. If you're using ref-tag style citing, you can use Template:RP, you can see a couple in Marlowe portrait. Another way is using Help:Shortened footnotes, like History of Christianity. A third way is described by User:SMcCandlish in this discussion. If I have the choice, I use RP since I'm used to it and named refs, but the "rule" is to follow the established citestyle in the article.

Same source in a different article, copypaste is the only way I know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Insertion dialogs are easy, editing dialogs are difficult. The edit screen needs to 'understand' the wikitext in order to provide such dialogs. Visual Editor can do this, because its whole point of existence is to understand what the wikitext means. So in VisualEditor you can edit a reference with a dialog once inserted. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow, that got complicated. I read all the articles mentioned but for some, I didn't understand all the terms & for the discussion noted, there so was much "do it THIS way ... no, do it this OTHER way", that I could not follow it. Looks like the mantra is to do it the same way as others for that article. Sounds good to me.

For the article (Lagomorpha) where I want to add a few references (same reference, different page number), there were no Notes so that option was not used. Also didn't see any shortened footnotes in the Reference section so it looked like there were no cases of same reference with diff pg #s. But it could still be the case where a reference was repeated in full with a diff pg #. That would be difficult to find, as I would have to look at an author & search the entire reference list for that author, then repeat for all authors. Is that how it's done? But actually, in the help article mentioned, it says that option is deprecated anyway so I assume that should not be used. If it IS used, is it ok to use a different type for my new references?

For the comment about editing an existing template in the Visual Editor, that was a great help. Sunandshade (talk) 07:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted biography

Singer the Jr:s

Hello,

There was a profile on William Henry Singer Sr., a steel baron in Pittsburgh. Someone deleted it. Can it be retrieved?

Thank you. 2601:547:CA81:8F30:844A:3B93:8F0D:94A3 (talk) 06:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a deleted article with that name, but if you know the specific name of the article you can try an undeletion request to retrieve its contents. However, the article won't be put back on the site if its subject isn't notable. Remsense留 06:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. What's the exact title? I tried looking at William Henry Singer, William Henry Singer Sr., and William Henry Singer Sr (without the period); none of them appear to have any record of being deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There is a William Henry Singer who "was the son of Hester Lared Harton and William Henry Singer, a wealthy steel magnate who started producing cannons and other weapons for Union troops during the Civil War had become rich." (google translation). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I found this obituary. Retired millionare guy from "Pittsburg". His son was a painter, so if we're doing that article on him, I propose we merge them into "William Henry Singers" or something of that sort. Most of the search results for "William Henry Singer sr Pittsburgh" are for his son, maybe the article could be on William Singer Jr with a section about the father. 71.112.180.130 (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Is William Kelly (inventor) perhaps the same person? Tollens (talk) 06:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I ask because Singer Laren mentions that the person in question sold the "Pittsburgh Bessemer Steel Co.", with a link to Bessemer process, which has no mention of the person. It does, however, mention William Kelly several times. I have no idea if they are the same person though. Tollens (talk) 06:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

No. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Singer-1158 --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Just found that as well – these are certainly not the same person. Tollens (talk) 06:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The image (right) is of William Henry Singer Jr, the artist, copied from the German Wikipedia article about him. His father was the steel baron. David notMD (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Correct, I read that wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There is also https://www.geni.com/people/William-Singer/6000000013941977298. I couldn't find a trace in wikidata, which there might have been from a deleted 'pedia article. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 08:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Should we do something special for Christmas?

I had been thinking about this and it sounded like a fun thing to do. What do you think? Frittle (talk) 14:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Are you inviting me to your Christmas party? Gosh. Remsense留 14:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Lol. I mean something fun. Like we could make a page each year talking about our accomplishments. Frittle (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Am I also invited? I'm mostly free this Christmas. FunLater (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Frittle (talk) 14:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about the idea? Frittle (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

But what do you think about the idea? Should I ask someone else or what? Frittle (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we can do much. If you have something nice and specific that you think of, we may be able to do it. But I can't think of anything, really.

Changing the logo and things like that are most likely out of the question, though I may be wrong. FunLater (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Is my wife (not a Wikipedia editor) invited, too? She is a vegetarian and allergic to nuts. David notMD (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll make vegan, nut-free food. :) FunLater (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is in charge of events or the person that would be best to ask? Frittle (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Frittle, and welcome to the Teahouse. Nobody is in charge of events: these things are determined by community consensus. The best place to discuss this would be one of the subpages of the village pump; but I suspect that it is too late to firm up an idea and get consensus for this year (I may be wrong). Also, note that many users frown on suggestions to use Wikipedia for purposes other than creating an encyclopaedia, though there are some humourous essays, and there are April Fools. ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I kinda like changing to logo, although I think doing for solstice or new year's is much better (non-religious). Cremastra (talk) 21:16, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@FunLater and Frittle: Cremastra (talk) 21:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Frittle - Wikipedia has no sense of humor. It thinks it does, but that has not been verified by valid references. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I would say probably not, because that would be less neutral for those who don't celebrate Christmas (or holidays at all). (meta:Logo#Temporary logo variants) However, temporary logos for things like Wikipedia's 20-year anniversary is fine. ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 17:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@2NumForIce: Hence my suggestion of new year's instead of christmas. Cremastra (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Frittle, if you mean something for the broader base of readers, the Did You Know section of the main page will have a day of Christmas-connected hooks. The prep area is here for now: Template:Did you know/Preparation area 7 If you want to help out you could click on any of those articles and see if they need any type of cleanup. If you're not sure where to start, you could ask at the DYK talk page, Wikipedia talk:Did you know. For doing something about Wikipedia, you might want to ask at the talk page for Wikipedia's internal newsletter, Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost. Good luck! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is the highest person in charge of Wikipedia that has an account?

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Frittle (talk) 20:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Frittle. No one is "in charge" of anything on Wikipedia. It is a collaborative, volunteer run project. User: Jimbo Wales is a founder and the most famous Wikipedian, but it has been many years since he has bossed anyone around. Cullen328 (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

This edit was made by Christina Koch while in earth orbit. Maproom (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

But wouldn't that make her the lowest person? FunLater (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, so in a sense their CEO Maryana Iskander is "the highest person in charge of Wikipedia". She has a staff account, MIskander-WMF, though it has only made 8 edits to the English Wikipedia. Several members of the WMF board are from the broader community and are therefore much more active editors: I think Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (Rosiestep) is the most active on the English Wikipedia. But while the WMF has overall responsibility for Wikipedia because they run the servers, they don't have any involvement with the day-to-day running of the encyclopedia: as Cullen says, the project is collaborative and volunteer-run. On a day-to-day basis, highly-active administrators probably have the most social capital and ability to make consequential decisions. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Suitability of the topic 'history of tidal power' as a new article

Hi, I'm considering creating an article to cover the history of tidal power development. There have been many companies that have developed and tested turbines. Individually, a lot of these would be questionable in terms of notability. However, I think the topic as a whole is notable.

The pages Tidal power, Tidal stream generator, and List of tidal power stations have some of this information, but there is a lot more detail that could be added which would possibly make these pages unwieldy, and I'm not sure exactly fits there anyway. Many of the devices that have been tested are no longer generating power, but I think it would be useful to document these in one place.

My proposal would be to have a short introduction, a section on companies with a paragraph or 2 on each (or a link to their page where notable), and a section with a table with details the turbines that have been tested (what, where, when, etc).

I'd appreciate some feedback on this before starting, hence this post. Thanks :) Drnoble (talk) 11:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

A number of reliable sources deal with the subject "history of tidal power" so it would seem to be a notable subject. Seems like a worthwhile direction to head in. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, will start to develop a draft & some notes offline then make a new page Drnoble (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

About making statement

I know that Wikipedia is uncensored but while quoting from sources, can I add terms such as "King of X begged to the King of Y for mercy" if the source is saying so? The reliability of the source is agreed upon the discussion at reliable source noticeboard. Imperial^[AFCND] 11:45, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why WP:CENSOR would apply? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I want to make sure that if there would be any issue if I use "X begged to Y". Can I use that if the source is saying so? Also, I am aware that if Wikipedia view that as a non neutral POV statement. Imperial^[AFCND] 14:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fine if that is reported by a reliable source, though it is not good English. It ought to be "X begged Y". Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I just showed a demonstation. Imperial^[AFCND] 15:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I am curious as to why WP:CENSOR could potentially cause a problem. Cremastra (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I thought words such as "Begged" would come under Wikipedia:Offensive material because WP:CENSOR states that "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so." Therefore I thought if someone takes it as offensive, it would be a problem. Thats why I asked this. Thank y'all for your help. Imperial^[AFCND] 05:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Division of totality of human knowledge

I want a division or classification of totality of human knowledge If I imagine totality of knowledge As a circle What would be its divisions I mean a list all disciplines or subjects in entirety of human knowledge Stupidity9870 (talk) 11:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Stupidity9870 you might be looking for WP:VITAL1, the classification of articles seemed 'important'. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See also Outline of knowledge. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Philip Cooke (Historian)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Philip Cooke (historian)

Can you please revise that page? I don't understand why I have comments on that page which dates back to 2020 and 2021 when I have created the page only today. Also, please let me know what I need to do to improve it and have it approved. All the info are true and verified: I have created the page for a person I know (I was NOT paid), and he has checked the info personally. Apparently, the disambiguator was supposed to be lower case (apologies), I am not sure how to change this at this stage. many thanks! Neolinguista (talk) 15:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

You need to find independent sources that cover him in-depth, your sources are primary. I have fixed the lower case problem. Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks for the disambiguator!!

independent as in not created by him or directly related to his university website? Ok, I will try and find them, but it is not easy. Thanks. Neolinguista (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

"Independent" as in "not written, published, edited, commissioned, or based on information from, him, his associates, his employers, or his institutions". See WP:IS. Note that his approval is not required, and the criterion for including information is not whether he says it is right, but whether it is supported by reliable published sources (and, in most cases, by independent sources).

Ideally, the subject of an article has no role whatever in creating the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Neolinguista: presumably by "comments" you mean maintenance tags; itseems you added (the first two of) them yourself when you created the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

you are right, it was my fault...how can I fix this now? Thanks for your help in this matter. Neolinguista (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, ok, that was easy, I have done it thanks Neolinguista (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) You seem to have added the 2020 and 2021 dates in your first edit - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Philip_Cooke_(historian)&oldid=1190054129 - perhaps by copying from the Stephen Gundle article as the basis of your article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, I have written Gundle's article a while ago and I have used it as a model for Cooke's one (they had similar carrers). I did not realize I was copying the maintaince tags too - apologies, this happens when you create a page every two years, you never get truly good at it! How can i solve this problem now? Thanks for your help. Neolinguista (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I have solved that problem, which was ridicolously easy to solve...sorry to have bothered you. Neolinguista (talk) 17:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Selected publications (how-to add)

Perhaps this topic already exists - if so - please redirect.

I would like to add a 'Selected publications' list to a page/article. The publications can be found on the internet using the automatic citation engine - and added to the References list.

I would (also) like to excerpt a few of the citations from the Reference list and past them into the body of the article without re-formatting them. However I am unable to, for example, copy + paste individual entries from the References list.

I've tried the templates - but there is no automatic citation engine available.

NOTE: I have tried "+" 'references list' - but can only import the full complete references list, and not select individual references.

Hope this makes sense. Thank you! Science and such (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Heh, ok answering my own question:

am able to go into the html source and cut & paste from there.

Is that the best solution? Science and such (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I see you are using visual editor. Click on the reference that you want to paste, press 'edit', and note what template it is using.

You can then press + -> Template and then use the appropriate citation template, which will generate the body of the reference (though not a reference itself).

Of course, why are you doing this in the first place? That should probably be asked first. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:06, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.

To answer your question: I am reviewing the examples provided by the Reviewer, which include 'Publications' and 'Selected publications' sections in published articles. I assume to demonstrate Notability. Science and such (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Science and such. Publications don't demonstrate notability. The impact of those publications does, either by multiple reviews or citations by other scholars. I see you are struggling with a draft article. Sheldrake has written one successful book, about which we have an article. That is not enough notability for a separate article about him. You may add information about him to the book article. He is young. Later, when he has other well-reviewed books, will be the time to have an article about him. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello StarryGrandma,

Thank you. Interesting. I don't actually know how old Sheldrake is, although many people do many different things at different ages, Greta Thunberg for example.

The reason that I am interested in demonstrating notability in a separate article is that there are numerous publications regarding Sheldrake which are not directly related to the book he wrote in notable sources.

Are you suggesting it would make more sense to place these non-related works such as an IMAX film, and profiles in places such as New Yorker, New York Times, Emergence, The Telegraph, Der Spiegel, The Telegraph, and The Observer in the article about the book?

If that is the case, then why do the criteria for creative professionals who have written a notable book not apply here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals

Thank you for your patience. Science and such (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

A case for notability can be made for Sheldrake, not least in refs 6, 14-17, (perhaps others) and the book reviews per #Creative_professionals. There was an AfD in September 2020, but clearly that did not account for the 2023 articles now being used as refs. Whether it's enough is open to debate, but it's reasonable to say that interest in him has been sustained for the last few years. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft as stands has too many references saying the same things. Which of those many sources is about Sheldrake, not his book, not written by him, and not an interview? Writing a successful book results in a lot of interviews. Publishers see to that. A brief biography would make a good addition to the book article. The interviews are fine sources for that, but do not show notability independent of the book. Coverage must be all three at once: in depth, reliably published, and independent of the person to have a separate article. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Edits to page

Hi, I am trying to update a photo on wiki and change wording in the bio. It updates on my end but not on the page. How do I fix this? Carahtx (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Carahtx see WP:Upload wizard to upload a file. You can't just 'attach' a file like you would on social media. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Carahtx: Welcome to the Teahouse! Your edit summary in this edit leads me to wonder if you have a conflict of interest that you should declare. If you are the person who has taken the photo, and therefore are the copyright holder, you may use WP:Upload wizard to upload your photo, and then add an edit request on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Ivan Melendez). If you did not take the photo, you may ask the photographer to do so, or follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. GoingBatty (talk) 02:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

What tool/app to use to create maps?

Hi. I want to update some outdated railway maps. What tools or application can I use? Are there ready tools for that? Thanks. Aredoros87 (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Railway diagrams are created with {{Routemap}}, with the maps themselves created on seperate template pages (for example, the diagram at Rewanui Branch is located at Template:Rewanui Branch) and embedded in infoboxes. Actual maps are linked to OpenStreetMap via the {{Maplink}} template. Cheers, Mach61 (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Aredoros87 (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Stereotypes of African Americans (edited)

This isn't for me, but may be needed for the newer editor who created it. It looks to have been copied from somewhere else? I'm not sure if it should be deleted or merged or if it could be salvageable, but maybe someone could work with this editor to see what they were trying to accomplish? BOZ (talk) 22:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I've moved it to Draft:Stereotypes of African Americans. It seems to be an unattributed copy of Stereotypes of African Americans, so it's unclear what's going on. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Abukun, Brianda (Wiki Ed), and Helaine (Wiki Ed): may be able to throw some more light on the issue, since they'd leading the course which has resulted in this thing - https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/courses/St._Mary's_College_of_Maryland/Seeing_Race_(Fall_2023) --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

In particular, @Abukun:, you have peer reviewed this unattributed copy ay User talk:Tonydavis05 and found it generally good? That seems ... surprising? Please explain. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Abukun has since updated their peer review, but it would be helpful if they could respond to the copyvio concerns here as well. JoelleJay (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It's very unfortunate. @Abukun, Brianda (Wiki Ed), and Helaine (Wiki Ed):, I have marked the draft as a copyright violation of Stereotypes of African Americans; possibly it will be deleted now. I'm sorry that none of the leaders of this course have chosen to communicate with us here nor to address the concerns arising from unattributed copying and the odd situation of developing as a draft an article already in mainspace. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I feel I should note that WP:G12 speedy deletion has now been declined twice, including once by me, as the draft is not eligible for G12 speedy deletion, and the correct procedure is instead to repair insufficient attribution. The page is also ineligible for WP:A10 or for WP:G6 as explained by WP:NOTCSD point 16. If the draft ceases to be actively worked on then it should be redirected as a Template:R from Draft, but otherwise users are permitted to copy material to userspace or draftspace while actively working on a major overhaul/rewrite of an existing page. If only one person works on the draft then it suffices for them to copy the rewrite directly onto the existing page once finished, as no attribution issues will occur, and redirect the page. If more than one person is responsible for the rewrite then there will be some need for additional care for attribution, either with a histmerge if easily feasible, or with Template:Copied if not. WP:STALEDRAFT point 5 also makes this point. However, even if this is not immediately done upon copying back the rewrite, attribution can still be repaired later as the redirect from draftspace will have attribution information in its history so not getting it right on the first try is an easily fixable problem. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:105:1578:26D:6233 (talk) 03:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Clear that User:Tonydavis05 copied Stereotypes of African Americans into own Sandbox without attribution of the source, added content, renamed it Stereotypes of African Americans (edited), and from there it ended up as Draft:Stereotypes of African Americans per action by User:Tagishsimon, who afterward properly identified it as an unattributed copy. The cleanest action I can recommend at this point is that the draft either be Speedy deleted by an Administrator or else tagged by Tonydavis05 for deletion. If Tonydavis05 believes there is properly referenced content that was added to the original article, that should be copied - quickly - to his Sandbox, to be added to the existing article. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I concur — the student copied the material into his sandbox in order to edit it. He should have only copied portions at a time. He then added some unattributed material that duplicated information in parts of the original article. While I wish he had taken the assignment seriously, he did not, so you were right to nominate the work for deletion. Sorry for any lack of communication on my part, but I assure you, I have been working with the student offline to explain why his work was unacceptable. Abukun (talk) 17:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

télécharger une photo pour illustrer ma page dans bibliographie

j'ai téléchargé une photo portrait personnel mais refuser pour des questions de droits d'auteur? Alors que c'est une photo portrait de mon PC? comment faire? merci Superka2711 (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Bonsoir Superka2711. Cette page-ci apartient ni à Wikipedia français ni à Wikimedia Commons, mais à Wikipedia anglais. Ce serais peut-être mieux de demander vers fr-wiki ou vers Commons.

Vous avez téléchargé C:File:Hervé Baudu Ensm.jpg. Je ne vois pas où on y a élévé de problème de droits. Mais est-ce que c'est vous qui a pris ce photo? ColinFine (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Superka2711, welcome to a help page for English-language Wikipedia. You're asking about a matter for "Wikimedia Commons". You've asked about H_Baudu_wiki.jpg at commons:Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#H_Baudu_wiki.jpg. That was the right place to ask. Just wait there for a response. (But one little point for your draft: It's not "http(s):\\" but instead "http(s)://".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I will answer in French on the French Wikipedia. Yann (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Image size at London Purchase Farm

Could someone have a look at the gallery at London Purchase Farm? I think these images are too big, but I'm not very experienced at working with images. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I've removed them per WP:GALLERY: "Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons. ". --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

New draft awaiting revision

Hello, I tried to post a wikipedia page over a year ago, which was rejected for failing to provide links. Recently I put a lot of citations up on a new draft and am hoping that someone will be able to check it out and let me know if the listing can be posted? It's about the author, artist, and botanist William A Emboden. There are already a ton of articles on wiki linking to him and I'm hoping to get one made for him - ashe deserves to be listed here for all the writing and research he did - especially on botanics that are still being used and influenced many things being used to date. I understand it can take awhile to create a new profile, but I think I added enough citations for it to get posted. He wrote numerous articles I am still in the process of citing, but I have over 20 sources already. I hope someone can help. Thank you. JasonReBegin (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Articles for academics in general have to pass one of two standards: WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC, and specifically Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria. It is not clear to me that User:JasonReBegin/sandbox meets either, but you are welcome to disagree and to point to the references that support GNG, or to the NACADEMIC criteria you believe he met. Citing multiple papers &c is not enough on its own. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you - as this is my first creation of a wiki from scratch, I am simply not very good and will continue to research how to make improvements. JasonReBegin (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's a tip, JasonReBegin. Your draft starts by saying that your man "was a world-renowned ethnobotanist, writer, editor, professor, lecturer, artist, and poet". Few people are world-renowned poets; extraordinarily few are world-renowned editors or lecturers. I simply do not believe this statement, and I don't suppose that other reviewers will either. True, it doesn't have to be referenced: it's in the lead, and leads can (and probably should) summarize what follows. In the body of the draft we learn that yes, he edited and lectured, but there's no evidence that he was world-renowned at either. Indeed, there's not even commentary on his editing or lecturing. And neither "poet" nor "poem" appears. So the lead comes off as puffery, rather asking for the draft to be declined. Remove anything that might look as if it's aggrandizing your subject. -- Hoary (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JasonReBegin: I have moved your sandbox to Draft:William Emboden and restored the deleted history from your previous draft, which appears in the contribution history but not the current revision. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

JasonReBegin, I agree with the comments above by Tagishsimon and Hoary. I also notice that your reference list generates 17 error messages. Please fix those. The list of publications is excessive. Trim that list way back to only those that have been widely cited in the scientific literature. Cullen328 (talk) 08:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

.... and in the bibliography of his works, please don't use external links but instead use {{cite book}} with the relevant ISBN. There is no need to have a separate footnote for these, as you are merely listing them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - I was copying over a list of publications from a copy of a bio I had and as this was my first piece I figured someone would simply delete what didn't work - and it seems that is the case. In appreciation JasonReBegin (talk) 17:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - i fixed that puffery JasonReBegin (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

i did a contrbution and u undone it im asking why

i did a contrbution and u undone it im asking why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Shady_(disambiguation) 186.153.48.190 (talk) 03:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You added a long textual insert, almost certainly a copyright violation, into a disambiguation page. Please learn a little about wikipedia before making your next edit. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP: Copyright to learn about copyright policy. Cwater1 (talk) 03:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 'cause that's not what a disambiguation page is for. It's to help readers find the article they're looking for and distinguish similarly named ones. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this disambiguation page needed. It only tells the reader about one person: Eminem. So really there is no confusion possible. BlueWren0123 (talk) 04:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

There are three (four if you count the section link) articles that have "Slim Shady" in the title, so yes, I'd think it is necessary. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The data backs Tenryuu up. To be clear, the base pagename Slim Shady redirects to Eminem, but in October 2023, a nonzero number of people clicked to the disambiguation page [dab] from Eminem, and a nonzero number of them went from the dab to a different Slim Shady page (Real, EP, or LP). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Should I change the URL?

I wrote an article in the past and the URL of a reference has changed. The old URL is a dead-link, but the reference is still online, just under a new URL. An archive link to the wayback machine is already included in the article. Would it be a good idea for me to update the reference URL, or is that unnecessary? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 06:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Lights and freedom, Welcome to the Teahouse. You can completely remove the old reference/url with the archive link, and then cite the new url. Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Make sure you update the |access-date= parameter also, as that helps future maintenance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Paywalled sources

I'm working on an article that was reviewed and needs further revisions based on the sources available. Can sources be deemed inadequate if they are paywalled? And are paywalled sources still considered when evaluating an article? ESGenthusiast (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It's perfectly allowed to use paywalled sources, and often the best sources are difficult to access, either because they are paywalled or because they are only available in print. WP:PUBLISHED and WP:RSC are relevant here. That said, if important sources are hard to access then you might have to wait longer to find a reviewer. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ESGenthusiast See also WP:PAYWALLED. Many long-term editors (and reviewers) are members of The Wikipedia Library and hence have access to such sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Images for Go! Puzzle

I'm not sure if this fits within Teahouse, but I thought even if it's not someone could point me in a direction of where best to get an answer.

I did a major overhaul of the Go! Puzzle article last night, and was wondering the best way to go about adding some images to illustrate the three games. It's a 2007 PS3/PSP game which I managed to emulate and take screenshots of - however, I think there are a limited number of screenshots available for the game online.

Is there any way under fair use that I can upload images of this game, and if so, what license can I use for that? EphemeralPerpetuals (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

A stroll through Category:FA-Class video game articles suggests that 1-3 gameplay screenshots in an article is the norm. Original images are allowed. Please review the Non-free content criteria before uploading. Mach61 (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@EphemeralPerpetuals: As Mach61 says, you can look at other game or puzzle articles and see how it's done. Generally you use a low-resolution image, state that it's fair use, and is to be used only for that one article and nothing else. See Chickapig for example, which I created. Also, you don't upload the image to Wikimedia Commons as is usually done, but upload it to Wikipedia. Commons can't be used for non-free images. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

That's really useful - thank you both! EphemeralPerpetuals (talk) 15:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

About Wikipedia

is Wikipedia like IMDb OneLastTruth (talk) 15:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, OneLastTruth, welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure exactly what you're asking about; in what respect? This is a forum for getting help with editing Wikipedia, so we'd need more information on what you mean and what aspect of Wikipedia editing you're talking about. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an on-line encyclopedia, IMDb is a movie database, so there is not much similarity, except that both are user-generated. We have articles about Wikipedia and the IMDb where you can find out more. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is user-generated, but does not accept IMDb as a valid reference because it is user-generated. In addition, Wikipedia does not accept Wikipedia articles as references because those are user-generated. Go figure. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

OneLastTruth IMDB is time-consuming, however once the information has been added, it's very hard to get it removed, unless it's incorrect and you can prove it's incorrect, or you're me (a Top 100 Contributor) of course. It's also very unlikely that it will be changed by someone else in future. Adding information like credits rarely needs evidence, however you always need evidence to correct a title/name, or add things like birth/death details, two of which I've added this week for a guy in his 20s and a guy in his 30s, both of which have died in the last few years.

Wikipedia is even more time-consuming, as you need to prove everything you add, and have edit every reference. If you add things to a popular article, it will no doubt be checked by someone in less than a day, and will removed if it's false information. Popular articles are constantly changing. It also has people who like to remove referenced information, and use explanations like "the article is too big" to justify their needless removals, plus it has people who get involved in articles they know nothing about, so end up changing them for the worse not the better.

That is why I prefer IMDB over Wikipedia.

In the last week or two I've; Merged 100s of duplicate profiles (as usual); updated countless profiles with things like external links/birth details/death details/birth names/nicknames etc; Created a few posters from title-screen images for shorts which don't have posters, which I've then added; Added a 2023 computer game; Added a 2002 feature length history documentary; Added a 2015 feature length history documentary which has 3 different versions for different countries (although I've still got most of the credits to add); Added the credits to an online music web-series which I added a couple of weeks ago; Added countless missing credits to short films from 2003, 2008, 2012, 2013 etc; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2022 comedy feature film; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2021 horror feature film; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2014 horror/thriller feature film; And that's just the stuff I can remember. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

what are the numbers on the wikipedia data structure table for

i noticed numbers on the left and right sides of the table to the right. what are these numbers for?
are they internal ids?

long namespace table

Wikipedia data structure Namespaces Subject namespaces Talk namespaces 0 (Main/Article) Talk 1 2 User User talk 3 4 Wikipedia Wikipedia talk 5 6 File File talk 7 8 MediaWiki MediaWiki talk 9 10 Template Template talk 11 12 Help Help talk 13 14 Category Category talk 15 100 Portal Portal talk 101 118 Draft Draft talk 119 710 TimedText TimedText talk 711 828 Module Module talk 829 Former namespaces 108 Book Book talk 109 442 Course Course talk 443 444 Institution Institution talk 445 446 Education Program Education Program talk 447 2300 Gadget Gadget talk 2301 2302 Gadget definition Gadget definition talk 2303 2600 Topic 2601 Virtual namespaces -1 Special -2 Media Current list (API call)

Natelabs (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Natelabs! Yes, these are the internal namespace IDs. They're quite useful when writing code for things like user scripts, especially ones that are used across different WMF projects, since different namespaces can have different titles in different projects, but they'll always have the same ID. For example, namespace 4 here on the English Wikipedia is "Wikipedia:", but on the Chinese Wikipedia it's called "维基百科:", Meta-wiki it's called "Meta:", and on Wikimedia Commons it's called "Commons:", but no matter what, it's still namespace 4. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Unauthorized follow-up Q:How do bespoke virtual namespaces like meatball:, citizendium: and google: work? Mach61 (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mach61: Technically, those are not virtual namespaces; virtual namespaces are things like "Special:" (namespace ID -1, if you're curious). What you have are interwiki links; as the name suggests, they're usually used to link to other wikis within the WMF project, but they are not actually limited to WMF projects, or even to wikis in general. There are any number of them, all listed at meta:Interwiki Map. HTH, Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

How to use multistream?

At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_download#How_to_use_multistream? there is a question that could be typed about there, or here, or both places.

It is about using a multistream database dump of Wikipedia.

I do not know how to

"Cut a small part out of the archive with dd using the byte offset as found in the index." than "You could then either bzip2 decompress it or use bzip2recover, and search the first file for the article ID. "

Is there any video or more information on Wikipedia about how to do this, so I can look at Wikipedia pages, or at least the text off-line?

Thank you for your time. Other Cody (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

detailed cite questions

I wanted to cite "The Encyclopedia of Mammals" so found another article that cited it to see how it's done, but that raised some questions. Then checked WorldCat to gather more data. Here's the info I have, followed by my questions. my book = my copy of the mentioned book; Mammal = Mammal article (book mentioned in Further Reading but I assume the format should be the same as cited); WorldCat = info from that cite.

my book has:  edited by David Macdonald, assistant editor Sasha Norris

Mammal has:  MacDonald DW, Norris S

WorldCat has:  authors:  David W. Macdonald, Sasha Norris

my book has: this edition published in 2006, copyright 2001, 1st published 2001, reprinted 2002, 2006

Mammal has:  2006, 3rd edition

WorldCat has:  2006, copyright 2001

My book has just the 1st name while others have 1st & 2nd initials or 1st name & 2nd initial. (I know capitalization is wrong in Mammal article.) That's correct info but that's not what is on the book. How should I list the name? My book lists them as editors, others list them as authors. Does this matter? How can I list as editor/assistant editor while using the Cite form.

It looks like the help files say if a book is reprinted (without major changed), I should use the original publication date. If so, looks like the Mammal article is wrong. But do I list the reprinted date anyplace?

As an added complication, this book was also published as a new edition in 2006, but looking at the ISBN, the Mammal article is using the same edition as my book. Sunandshade (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: Welcome to the Teahouse! Per WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, use the information in your copy of the mentioned book if that's what you used for your Wikipedia edits. Online resources may be incorrect, or different editions may have slightly different credits. You can use {{cite encyclopedia}} for references. GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty Sunandshade "Online resources may be incorrect" just like with articles/pages/websites on films and TV shows.

I have found countless films and TV shows which have had incorrect release dates by a year or two, in most places online, as most places get their production information from IMDB, if they don't have a Wikipedia article.

However I've also found occasional films and TV shows, which have been incorrect by 3, 4, 5+ years too.

I recently stumbled one which was listed on IMDB as being released in 2001 as a film.

However it was actually a 2 episode TV series which was released in the year 2000, so I've corrected. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Copy and pasted from another website

This section is almost exclusively a copy and paste from a website called EarlyChristian Writings.com.

In this instance, it is best to confirm the sources (linked here), or just the website? Or would you suggest basic reformatting the wall of text?

Thanks! Doctor165 (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Doctor165: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest rewriting and summarizing what the website says, and then adding a reference for the web page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Accidentally created an image file on Wikipedia

Earlier I cropped a pre-existing image for use on an article.

However, I looked in my contributions page and found that I accidentally created said image file on wikipedia rather than wikimedia commons.

I tried clicking the export to WC link but it said it couldn't do it. I'm not sure what I should do, can anybody help.

Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 21:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Earle Bartibus Huxley: You can just add {{G7}} to the image page (you may want to ensure you have a copy first). It will get deleted, then try again. I note that File:Passport photo of Beatrice Gubbins.jpg is not tagged under a free licence, nor is the cropped image, and Commons only accepts free images, so I wonder if you've thought about that. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've just added it.

I didn't upload the original image file (it was uploaded years before I made my account), I only made the cropped version. I didn't know the copyright notice existed on both images until just before I created this topic thread. Should I nominate the first image for deletion? Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

So that's been deleted, and I've put back the old image for now (otherwise it would have been deleted as unused fair use). The first image is uploaded locally as fair use. I don't claim to have looked into whether that's the correct licence - I mean it's quite old isn't it. While it's fair use it can only be hosted locally. You could replace it with the cropped photo, locally, but that might not be ideal, since it contains her signature and other context. There can only be one image hosted locally under fair use. If you discover it's public domain then both could be hosted on commons, otherwise neither can be. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thanks for the info. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 11:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Search description

When conducting a search for an article, the description beneath the title in the search box may not accurately reflect the content of the article. How can this discrepancy be rectified? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you please provide an example of this discrepancy? You may be speaking about short descriptions. Remsense留 22:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you are to the point, I see the template on top of the page. I need to just look harder. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

If you need any help, please let us know! Remsense留 23:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia Funding

Is there a reason for the phrasing in the Wikimedia fundraising message they plaster at the top of the page? Every year it seems more and more manipulative in intent - is there any evidence of them actually struggling, or is it just an odd marketing ploy? It seems especially odd when compared to other sources like AO3, who openly show their numbers when fundraising and always exceed their goal amount by the thousands. 134.41.166.19 (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Almost nobody editing Wikipedia has any involvement in, or insight into, why and how Wikimedia posts and words these messages: many of us wish that they wouldn't.

The only motivation I can think of is that perhaps, if Wikimedia doesn't display reasonable efforts to raise donations from individual users (as many other sites routinely do), its major corporate donors might reduce their donations. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 22:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Do Any Teahouse Folks Speak/Write Colloaquial Filipino

I am attempting to port the article Gaddang people to the tl.Wikipedia (Tagalog-language version). I am not strong speaker of the national version (Filipino), as I am likely to use Gaddang or Ilokano (or even Bahasa Indonesia) vocabulary. There are also issues to be resolved with links to articles in the much-smaller Tagalog site; as well as some features which are different.

I have brought in a couple of Tagalog speakers who have experience editing and writing for print media, but could use an introduction to somebody who has both the language and Wikipedia experience. Ethnic laundry (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Try WT:PINOY, @Ethnic laundry. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ethnic laundry You could also look within the categories of user langauge skills. For example Category:User tl-4 and Category:User tl-5 and seek help from a few recently-active ones via their Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I register my Wikipedia account?

I've had an account for a couple of weeks, and I'm concerned on how to register, as I can't edit certain articles. If you have an answer, please tell me and thank you. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 01:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oo-rah! the marines are here: There's no need to register any more than you already have – you do have an account. Some pages are protected from editing for a variety of reasons, but you can still contribute! If you see a page that you would like to edit but that is protected (this will be shown by a lock icon at the top right of the article), you can submit an edit request detailing exactly what you would like changed (ideally describing exactly where you would like the change to be and exactly what the changed text should read instead) so that someone can make the edit on your behalf. You might want to use the edit request wizard to help with this. After making more edits (10 for most, then 500 for essentially all the rest) you will automatically be given the ability to edit protected articles. Tollens (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Then how come I am still blocked from editing an article that only registered users can edit? Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found the answer. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) Explained at Wikipedia:Why create an account?, once you have had an account for 4 days and made 10 edits, you can edit semi-protected pages (gray lock), create new articles, rename pages and upload files. Once you have had an account for 30 days, and have made at least 500 edits, you can edit extended protected pages (blue lock). Right now you have made 2 edits. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oo-rah! the marines are here: The table at Wikipedia:Protection policy#Comparison table might be a helpful summary for you. GoingBatty (talk) 04:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

i was trying to change the picture but wikipedia is not allowing me to

can anyone explain me why? what all should i do inorder to get accepted by wikipedia? Jokkutta (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jokkutta: - you need to be autoconfirmed, with at least 10 edits and an account at least 4 days old. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Some more details could be helpful for a more detailed answer. Another thing is that Wikipedia is very careful about copyright. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jokkutta: I take this is about John P. Varkey? You triggered an automated warning that prevents new editors from uploading small resolution JPG images (c:Special:AbuseLog/10292045). You should be able to upload the image using c:Commons:Upload Wizard. I will echo what Gråbergs Gråa Sång above says about copyright: you have claimed that the image your own work. That means you must have held the camera personally in your hands when you took the picture. MKFI (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Links to redirects

Hullo peoples. There have been a few articles I have edited where I have swapped out links to redirects with the pages that the redirects redirect to (for example Circle Graph) and I was wondering if this was correct behavior or if I was doing something wrong. Thanccs! 🧐 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 02:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: Welcome to the Teahouse! If it changes the visible look of the article, then it's fine. If it doesn't, then it's WP:NOTBROKEN and doesn't need to be changed. GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

kthx 👍 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 03:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Submitted Article - "I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor"

Draft:"I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor" - a Bangladeshi folk song Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 07:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft now appears to have been reviewed. Tollens (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging to section above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

My article on "I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor" song has been declined. If I could get help from an expert on how to improve my article and specifically in which are to improve, I would be grateful.

As per my knowledge, I have used reliable secondary sources and the subject deserves a Wikipedia article.

Also I like to know, if I myself being the traslator can not write an article. Is it strictly prohibited ?

Looking forward to the help Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 12:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mozammalhoquetipu Your Talk Page already has a message about your conflict of interest. You are still allowed to create a draft and use the articles for creation process, as you have been doing. The main issue in this case is not your COI but the fact that the draft does not demonstrate that the song is wikinotable. To do that, you need three or so reliable sources that are completely independent of anyone associated with it and discuss it at some length. See this summary. The song cannot inherit its notability from the "legendary" film in which it was originally used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nominating for AfD vs Speedy Deletion

I've added a few articles to AfD discussions, and a lot of them have later been speedy deleted per G11. Where is the line between something non-promotional enough to necessitate AfD discussion, and something promotional enough to immediately require G11 without any thought on improvement or rewriting?

AriTheHorse^{talk to me!}

13:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I would look at the page creator's contribution history. If they made small number of edits and the promotional article is their only contribution to Wikipedia, I would just boldly tag it under WP:G11 and if, for some reason, this speedy deletion is declined, then the article could be added to AfD discussions. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@AriTheHorse: (ping - I am not sure you got the notification when I posted here my answer). Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Pacific war article declined

Hi everyone I was wondering if an experienced editor could assist me.

I have written a section on the attitudes that the Japanese and the Americans had towards one another on the Pacific War page as this was missing from the article however I have had feedback suggesting it is too essay like. After the initial feeback of this I redrafted my work and resubmitted to present a more neutral work summarizing what historians have said about the issue however it has been declined again for the same reason? I am not sure how to make the section less 'essay like' as I personally don't think it reads like an essay at all. Please can someone point me in the right direction and help me see where I have gone wrong as the feedback is very vague. Thank you Goldenl03 (talk) 13:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Goldenl03, it seems from your edit history that you have never edited Pacific War, though you did once edit its talk page.. What edits are you referring to? Maproom (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

He is refering to Draft:U.S Attitudes towards the Japanese, @Maproom NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes sorry I am referring to my draft I sent for review Draft:U.S Attitudes towards the Japanese

Goldenl03 (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Goldenl03 I edited it slightly for format. Given your title, consider adding sections for after WWII. Yes, this would be a radically different article, and perhaps outside your interest in the topic. David notMD (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Twisting history

A corporation is twisting their history to hide a scandalous fact that occurred 50 years ago. I and others were irrevocable harmed by this event that changed the course of not only their local business but 2 internationally known and recognized businesses, as well as being a current topic relating to women's history. I and several other living people are the only ones who can get this, as it must be, into the historical record.

How do we do this best on Wikipedia. Ty in advance.

NMR - NanetteGrigsby (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. We cannot accept your personal account of an event, because it cannot be independently verified. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic- something published thst can be verified. 331dot (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @NanetteGrigsby, welcome to the Teahouse. The best way to do this on Wikipedia is to ignore Wikipedia for now. You need to go get your story published by a reliable source - a reputable news organization, for instance, or perhaps a respected advocacy group. Then you can come back to Wikipedia, with that source in hand. I'd recommend making an edit request on the article's talk page rather than attempting to add such information yourself, even when you have your source. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nanette, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that your edits to WCIT (AM) broke two core policies of Wikipedia: verifiability and neutral point of view. They were therefore properly reverted by an experienced Wikipedia editor: your suggestion that this was the company whitewashing is inappropriate without strong evidence.

Advocacy is not permitted on Wikipedia, no matter how virtuous the cause. See WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS.

If you can find reliably published sources for what you claim happened, then a neutral summary of what those sources say may be added to the article: given your strong emotional involvement, it would be best if you did not edit it yourself, but raised an edit request on the talk page. But without reliable sources (which do not have to be online), nothing can be added. ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

FOR THE CURIOUS: This is about the article WCIT (AM). User:NanetteGrigsby added information about a purported crime - rape resulting in a pregnancy, alcohol involved - of a teenage beauty contest winner in 1971, by a DJ of the radio station responsible for transporting her to events. For this to be incorporated into the article about the radio station there needs to be reliable source publications about the rape, perhaps in newspapers of that era, AND that the radio station was involved in covering up the crime to protect itself and its employee, also later described in publication(s). David notMD (talk) 17:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor

What editors surpass the online one? Nesshunter (talk) 15:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for Assistance in Updating a Page on Tuberculosis Prevention

Dear Wikipedia Community,

I'm reaching out for assistance in updating a page related to international effort to stop the spread of tuberculosis. I believe it's crucial to have the most current and accurate information on such critical topics. This would ensure that our public encyclopedia remains a reliable resource. I am eager to contribute in several languages and ensure that our readers have access to the latest data and findings in this field. Could someone guide me on how to proceed with these updates effectively?

Thank you for your support.

G GeGki (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GeGki, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all: do you have a personal or professional connection to Stop TB Partnership? If so, you need to read WP:COI, and also WP:PAID if you're being compensated in any way for your work with them.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. If you have such sources, those are what you should be using to update the article.

Keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia which covers the whole history of its subjects - just because something happened in the past does not mean it's now irrelevant, or that the information is out of date and should be removed/updated. If something is wrong or very poorly sourced, it should certainly be corrected, but otherwise the idea is to build upon what's already there. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@GeGki welcome to Wikipedia! Someone else posted good advice on your use talk page User talk:GeGki and I would recommend you check out a WP:TUTORIAL to learn more about Wikipedia. In addition, medical topics have extra standards which you can read about at WP:MEDRS. Happy constructive editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)