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Contested PROD. Concern was Non-notable footballer who is yet to play in a fully-professional league. PROD was contested with a claim that 1. Lig is fully pro, an assertion not backed up by reliable sources at WP:FPL or elsewhere. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 16:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
• I actually said he played in a professional league - which the Turkish First League is (league statutes from the Turkish FA's website: http://www.tff.org/Resources/TFF/Documents/000013/TFF/STATULER/TFF-1-Lig-Statusu-19.07.2012.pdf). The German wikipedia, which has pretty much identical notability criteria for football players, also considers 1. Lig players as notable. And, btw - the source for the Turkish Süper League on the list of leagues doesn't use the term "fully professional" either, and refers to Turkey's professional football leagues, so at the very least the source actually includes the second division as well. Alexpostfacto (talk) 19:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep per source above. ~dee^(talk?) 20:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
• Comment Is the 1. Lig actually fully professional? Based on attendances as low as this, I have my doubts... J Mo 101 (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

If you're going by attendances for the past week of games, then you should include this, this and this. The match you used for an example was played in Trabzon. 1461 Trabzon is essentially a feeder club to Trabzonspor a la Castilla to Real. Not a whole bunch of fans actually support the club. Meanwhile clubs like Rizespor and Adana Demirspor draw more support. Invisibletr (talk) 18:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

How about Gaziantep BŞB then ? They're a stand-alone club, I assume. I don't doubt the fact there are some teams in the league drawing thousands of fans a week, but there are some clubs who are tiny in comparison, which would make it questionable to claim that the league is fully-professional. J Mo 101 (talk) 23:34, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Gaziantep BB is supported by the municipality. Much like Istanbul BB in the Super Lig. Istanbul BB averages in the 100s despite playing top flight football. All clubs with the name "Buyuksehir Belediyespor" attached to it are newer clubs funded by the government with no real fanbases. There are a couple more teams that don't draw a lot, but at the same time there are the Adanaspors, Karsiyaka, Goztepe, Denizlispor, Samsunspor and Rizespor who have much more storied histories and large fanbases. Invisibletr (talk) 06:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)