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September 11
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RD: Ian Wilmut
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Abhishikt (talk · give credit)
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-Abhishikt (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Éva Fahidi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Storm Daniel
Blurb: Storm Daniel kills at least 176 people across portions of southeastern Europe and northern Africa. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)
- Created by Abu Masr (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Might need a bit of work but definitely worthy of posting Noah, AATalk 14:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - Libya declares state of emergency, seems to be causing a lot of damage. However, death toll does not automatically mean notability, and we should not support or oppose based off of it. This item is also getting rather stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- How is it stale when the Libya situation is just being reported? Noah, AATalk 15:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Significant devastation, especially in Derna, and the latest reports say up to 2,000 people are believed to have died. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Support. Unprecedented disaster. Storm just made landfall in Libya, so it is not stale. More than 2,000 people feared dead in Derna alone. Deadliest Medicane ever recorded. The floods in Greece and Istanbul alone are noteworthy. Here are some images from Libya; we should try to find some free ones. 50.101.173.184 (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support, however... is the Causalities section needed? It is presenting just a running total if deaths already described in the previous sections. I do see a benefit if a causality count by country table in the Aftermath section. --Masem (t) 17:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Sara Sharif murder case
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Blurb: An international manhunt has been launched after 10-year-old Sarah Sharif was found dead at her home in Woking, Surrey, England. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Gurdian, Sky, Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Independent, The Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Oppose article not in good enough shape and is an orphan. I also don't think this is of global, international significance. It just doesn't make the ITN threshold. Secretlondon (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Seems like a fairly standard local murder case, just with a wider manhunt. The Kip 17:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. This nomination goes nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose as provincial. Suggest SNOW close. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - seems very local. Referenced media are all English - and since when did we use the Daily Mail as a source? Not significant. Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Germany wins the FIBA Basketball World Cup
Blurb: The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with Germany defeating Serbia in the final. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera DW Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wikipedvincent (talk · give credit), H-Hurry (talk · give credit) and Jfect22 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article needs some work before it's ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Category 5 hurricane/typhoon in each ocean basin in the same season for the first time in the satellite era
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Blurb: For the first time in the satellite era, a category 5 hurricane has formed in each of the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans in the same year. (Post)
News source(s): [4];[Weather of 2023 Washington Post: A first: Category 5 storms have formed in every ocean basin this year]
Credits:
- Nominated by Tenebris (talk · give credit)
- Comment For the first time since the satellite era, all three major ocean basins have produced an (equivalent to) category 5 hurricane / typhoon (some more than one). There have additionally been (equivalent to) category 5 hurricanes in the southern hemisphere: eg. Cyclone Freddy. In total, counting the southern hemisphere, there have been SIX (equivalent to) category 5 storms this year (two in Oceania, one in the Indian Ocean north of the equator, one each in the east and west Pacific, and now one in the Atlantic), but this is far less unusual in the Pacific and Indian oceans than in the Atlantic. What makes it newsworthy is that this has occurred simultaneously, for the first time in the satellite era, in all three oceans.
Although most hurricanes lose significant strength before landfall, Typhoon Mawar in the Pacific basin struck Guam as a category 4, and Cyclone Mocha struck Myanmar as a category 4. The final effects of Hurricane Lee, in the Atlantic, have yet to be determined. (Better satellite measurements, meteorological understanding, and disaster planning have thankfully led to much lower mortality than similarly-powered storms have caused in the past -- aka why WP ITN should not lean solely on death counts to analyse storms.)
I used "hurricane" rather than "typhoon" in the blurb because English-speaking WP leans toward the Atlantic. As well, the Saffir-Simpson scale is linked to hurricanes, with typhoons using a different measure. However, we could easily use typhoon, cyclone, or hurricane/typhoon instead. It is also worth noting that each of these storms developed its strength explosively (great increase in strength over a single day or two), but mentioning that in the blurb would take away from the fact that they existed at all. I used the picture of Mawar since it had the greatest land impact, but we could also use a picture of Lee since it "makes" the story. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose this is trivia, not news. And it doesn't correlate with a substantial update to any Wikipedia article. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This is trivia and, while a striking sign of climate change, isn't a specific news event fitting in WP:ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivia + per above. Maybe a good DYK if one can get the article up to par, but not suited for ITN. The Kip 16:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Agree with The Kip that this could be a DYK candidate. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Needs work The news link provided didn't work so I've added a link to the Washington Post. This indicates that this particular aspect is due to ocean warming such as El Niño and that's driving a lot of extreme weather. As 2023 seems to be setting weather records in various ways, we should perhaps have a more general topic such as Weather of 2023. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- During an Atlantic high-activity era, El Niño typically results in a near-normal season and La Niña produces an above-normal season. During an Atlantic low-activity era El Niño typically results in a below-normal season and La Niña results in a near-normal season. Too much wind shear and stuff. However this is the record sea temperature year, entering uncharted territory. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Weather records (and similar such records) are not really suitable for ITN. We've had record heat waves and temperatures throughout this summer, and there were suggested to post but that didn't happen, nor should this. --Masem (t) 21:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems a bit of a reach - especially as two of these were months ago, and Hurricane Lee (2023) doesn't look like it's going to make landfall as a hurricane anytime soon (though might hit northern New England, or parts of Canada as a smaller Hurricane). We've had extreme climate ITNs; and we might well again soon with hurricane season in the Atlantic peaking. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Meh. I love weather, and I love tropical cyclones in particular, but this is a classic case of trivia. Issues here include such facts as A. the basins considered, while the currently active ones, are arbitrarily chosen and not all of the global basins B. the fact that what defines a category 5 is arbitrary and C. these particukar cyclones weren't concurrently occurring. SO yeah, neat, but that's about all. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Rubén Darío Carolini
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario Hoy
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Argentine paleontologist. Discovered the Giganotosaurus. Thriley (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Coco Gauff and Novak Djokovic win U.S. Open
Blurb: American Coco Gauff and Serbian Novak Djokovic win the women's singles and men's singles, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In tennis, the US Open concludes with Coco Gauff winning the women's singles and Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles (both winners pictured).
News source(s): [5], Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
TJMSmith (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment we usually post the men's and women's winner together since the events are held simultaneously.--Masem (t) 23:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Premature per Masem. Recommend speedy close and repost when men’s final is over. The Kip 00:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now I see no reason why we couldn't post the women's final as a blurb and then update it with the men's final once that's complete. Except for the fact that this page is not ready. All the text is in the lead, then it's just tables and tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wait for the men's final to be finished, as per The Kip. The U.S. Open men's and women's (singles) final results are usually posted together. Vida0007 (talk) 08:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It's bureaucratic to wait on women's because the men's match is pending. Post what's ready, and update as needed. It could be that the men's never meets quality either, or visa versa. But I agree with Muboshgu on the current quality status of the women's page.—Bagumba (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality A lot more work needed on the prose - basically just tables and trivia right now. (The target article should be the tournament, not the winner.) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem Flyingfishee (talk) 19:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Djokovic has just won the men's so have updated this as appropriate. However, pretty sure there's still article quality issues. --Masem (t) 01:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose All three US Open articles are currently a long way from suitable for the Main Page. Black Kite (talk) 10:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - the target article based on previous postings and ITN/R should be 2023 US Open (tennis). That is itself a long way from suitability though, no prose write-ups as yet. — Amakuru (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Mike Yarwood
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs a fair bit of work to get it up to scratch, but achievable. - SchroCat (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose A good amount of sourcing work is necessary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Silly Billy I did some cleanup to make the article seem respectable and the readership has reached over 100K. I suppose that will be the peak and it's downhill from here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Yarwood was well known in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and should be included on that basis. Broichmore (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
(Posted) RD: Mangosuthu Buthelezi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Zulu Leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. No issues present, all the content is supported by references. Lefcentreright Discuss 12:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Well-referenced article does justice to its complex subject. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Well-sourced and it gives a good view on the subject. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 18:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support I see 1-2 uncited statements but that shouldn't hold this well-written and sourced article from posting. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Procedural support meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake
Blurb: A magnitude 6.8 earthquake strikes Morocco, killing at least 296 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Clearly making world headlines and getting continuous coverage. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- When the blurb is posted, the number should reflect the latest death toll figure of 632 Sky News Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 06:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Significant coverage, notable effects, article is already in great shape. Fair play to the updaters. The Kip 02:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Obviously notable with a high death toll. Article generally is in decent shape for ITN. S5A-0043Talk 03:00, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Death toll in the hundreds. Significant. Bremps... 03:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is good for the event. --Masem (t) 03:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support and marking as ready. Normally I'm not a fan of rapid posting, but this one is a no brainer. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - obvious Nfitz (talk) 04:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Really ought to be posted, unanimous support, and likely a very high and substantial death toll. Rest in Peace to all the victims. --RockstoneSend me a message! 04:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Appears to be a cause of significant human displacement and of widespread structural damage, including to a World Heritage Site. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Death toll now over 600. Davey2116 (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support It's getting much news coverage from all over the world. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 06:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: 2023 Rugby World Cup
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Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)
- Updated by PeeJay (talk · give credit), CUA 27 (talk · give credit) and AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose - We shall post the result my friend. Don't usually put up the opening of sports events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- You put up the opening of the Women's FIFA World Cup opening though...And it wasn't as hpyed as this Rugby World Cup Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Could get behind ongoing. If we did put up the opening of the Women's world cup then I would have disagreed with that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- We didn't, because we don't blurb sport tournament openings (except the Olympics and occasionally similar). Of course, as a fan of both, the women's football was also easily more hyped than this Rugby World Cup - anyone's view of "hype", though, doesn't affect the scale of an event and isn't a good blurb argument. Kingsif (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Could get behind ongoing. If we did put up the opening of the Women's world cup then I would have disagreed with that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- You put up the opening of the Women's FIFA World Cup opening though...And it wasn't as hpyed as this Rugby World Cup Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - It is a mojor event in the Rugby domain. Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This is not how an ongoing nomination is supposed to be done. I have boldly fixed it. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support ongoing. Main world event in a top 10 sport featuring countries from South America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Last version in 2019 was watched by not far off a billion people. Black Kite (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Those viewing figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. Global viewing figures for sports are very hard to ascertain, and their governing bodies have a vested interest in hyping them up to promote their product. The quoted figure of 857 million for Rugby Union (from the governing body) is absurd. The total combined populations of all of the countries where it's genuinely popular don't even amount to half that figure. Effy Midwinter (talk) 08:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, we already have several ongoing topics and I am perfectly fine with limiting the ongoing sports for the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup. No need to include more sports (basketball World Cup is taking place at the moment as well, for example). --Tone 11:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support These days Rugby (Union) is much more mainstream and played in a lot more countries nowadays than in the old elitist amateur days, with the world cup being the pinnacle of this sport Josey Wales Parley 11:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is becoming silly. We don't "ongoing" tournaments just because they happen to be taking place. The result of the RWC will be posted at the end as per usual and that's it. The only exceptions to this are the Olypmics and the football world cup, as the largest sporting showpieces on the planet. And those are strictly exceptions. — Amakuru (talk) 11:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- We also did the 2019 Cricket World Cup, and I would expect to do the same this year. Admittedly, we're looking at a worldwide audience heading towards 3 billion with that one, not far off that of the Olympics. The cricket article also gets an insane amount of pageviews. Black Kite (talk) 12:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I am not sure about the article quality at this point. I know to expect a lot of tables for tracking this, but there seems to be a lack of prose and citations for what has happened. For example, the opening ceremony being only two sentences long seems lacking. --Masem (t) 12:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- And further, we only typically feature lengthy sporting events in ongoing if there is widespread international coverage of the event on a day to day basis. The World Cup and Olympics clearly meet this. I'm not so sure about rugby as a sport. Masem (t) 17:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Major world event with worldwide media attention, and it would be a good thing to have other sports than football featured on the front page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'll add that sports tournaments are probably the kind of stuff we should have more precise guidelines for, and, whichever way it goes, this would be a good occasion to work on setting a precedent and potentially even drafting a guideline. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Looking at the top views, it seems to be tennis that's doing best currently. But there are a lot of different sports jostling for attention and so YMMV. As they are all routine sports, WP:NOTNEWS applies. And note that rugby is a form of football too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Rugby is a form of football
doesn't add anything, as it was obvious the comparison was with association football (soccer). The question is, what is a "routine sport", and what differentiates it from a sport deserving an article? Why should WP:ITN be centered around a specific sport, even though we tend to avoid biases like this in other domains (presenting news from all countries, from all topics, etc.) Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)- Andrew’s traditionally been opposed to any sports coverage on ITN, I’d disregard the “it’s routine” comment entirely. The Kip 01:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Page views comparison. The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup was suggested to be added to ongoing last month; it was rejected. Comparing the pageviews, basketball leads rugby although it has to be sent the basketball's world cup is nearing its conclusion, while rugby's just get started. Also, ITN doesn't base what is posted on page views but on the biases of people here, but I guess you guys should already know that ;) Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- You're right to notice that the rugby world cup just started, and that its pageviews are much more equivalent to the first days of the basketball world cup. I think we could see in the next few days how it develops, although rugby appears on a stronger rising trend? We'll see! Chaotic Enby (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- See the 2019 World Cup pageviews (FIFA-W vs cricket vs rugby vs basketball); all world cups except for basketball lasted for more than a month, while basketball's took just over 2 weeks. Another caveat is basketball's have a lot more teams that are not from English speaking nations, vs. rugby and cricket. The 2019 final had both Spanish-speaking countries, and the 2023 final is Germany vs. Serbia (almost USA vs Canada, but they'd settle for third). For the curious, here's the Spanish Wikipedia article views during 2019.
- Rugby World Cup (and Cricket World Cup) also have show some actual prose; interestingly, FIFA-W didn't have prose? I thought this was a requirement? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Slight update, rugby page views are increasing substantially as the tournament gets started, with only the top 5 days in the basketball article's history being above yesterday's rugby page views. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- You're right to notice that the rugby world cup just started, and that its pageviews are much more equivalent to the first days of the basketball world cup. I think we could see in the next few days how it develops, although rugby appears on a stronger rising trend? We'll see! Chaotic Enby (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose You really can't compare a rugby union tournament to the Olympics or World Cup in terms of importance. It will get posted once it's over, quality permitting. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality; there is a fair amount of prose, but it's mostly unsourced. In terms of whether it warrants ongoing, I think rugby union has a better argument for that than other sports, but isn't in my top 6 off the top of my head, and I can imagine other users see it even lower, so it would probably warrant discussion. Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support ongoing it's the world championship of one of the most popular sports in the world, perhaps we should have a standard where any world championship of any sports event over a certain threshold of popularity gets ITNR automatically. Flyingfishee (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- The Rugby World Cup is already ITNR. This isn't a discussion about ITNR, it's about adding the tournament to Ongoing, and then once it's finished presumably adding it again as a blurb. Which seems overkill to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. I know there is no clear-cut criteria for what can be posted as ongoing as a sports item, but I feel like that honor should be reserved just for Olympics and association football World Cups, which we can definitively agree are the two biggest sporting events in the world. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Democratic backsliding in the United States
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Blurb: Thirteen presidential centers from Hoover to Obama warn of fragile state of American democracy (Post)
News source(s): AP; UPI; Washington Post
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- Nominated by soibangla (talk · give credit)
- Oppose On Notability, first off, this is not ITN-Material, this does not affect anything outside of the United States, and this is not significant enough. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This is day-to-day politics in the US and the type of thing ITN is definitely not appropriate for. Additionally, the update is only this one sentence, nor can readily be expanded from just that statement (without being UNDUE), which really doesn't help. --Masem (t) 21:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Huh? Truly hard to see how this is not only newsworthy but frankly even neutral. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose so… _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. Per above. Thanks to the OP for the good faith nomination, but this stands no chance of being posted, and might as well be put out of its misery sooner rather than later. — Amakuru (talk) 21:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Monique Bégin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/feminist-pioneer-monique-b%C3%A9gin-dies-at-87-1.6962053
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Nominator's comments: Former federal minister, one of the first three women from Quebec to be elected to Canadian Parliament. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Adi Winarso
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://radartegal.disway.id/read/665739/breaking-news-mantan-walikota-tegal-adi-winarso-meninggal-dunia
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Nominator's comments: Mayor of Tegal, 1999-2009. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Richard Hu
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/singapore/former-finance-minister-richard-hu-dies-96
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Nominator's comments: Singaporean Minister for Finance, 1985 - 2001. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Lisa Lyon
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/08/bodybuilding-star-lisa-lyon-dead-dies/
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Nominator's comments: Pioneering American female bodybuilder. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: G. Marimuthu
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kailash29792 (talk · give credit) and Usedbook (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Popular actor. Known for his antagonist role in Ethirneechal (TV series) Abishe (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Shoukat Ali Laleka
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Ainty Painty (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough for RD. Fahads1982 (talk) 17:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Per above. Golem08 (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Bulk of career section is election results without information about what he did in those positions; insufficient depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 00:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Tunku Ampuan Najihah
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BERNAMA
Credits:
- Nominated by Peoya (talk · give credit)
- Created by 192.169.41.33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Heather Fix (talk · give credit) and Artegia (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Consort to former Yang Dipertuan Agong (head of state) of Malaysia Peoya (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Many citations needed. starship.paint (RUN) 13:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Article is almost wholly uncited. The Kip 03:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Not enough prose wise about life, excluding long templates, awards and images. Also, more citations are needed. Bremps... 03:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: John Cairney
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Clarityfiend (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit), Sandy Fortingal (talk · give credit), 92.155.142.60 (talk · give credit), Beryl reid fan (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Scottish actor. Filmography needs additional sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support I've sourced the filmography and expanded the article a little. Should be good to go. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Edward Hide
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TBN
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Peaky76 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bcp67 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Peaky76 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: British Jockey. — Knightoftheswords 01:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Charles Gayle
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Avant Music news
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by 4.227.136.154 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 2a02:586:cc37:5946:5dce:90b8:4ba6:59d0 (talk · give credit) and 66.90.165.150 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American free jazz musician. Needs more sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: María Jiménez
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LPLM
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Gaudio (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 188.29.133.182 (talk · give credit), Mandtplatt (talk · give credit), StarDeg (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Spanish singer. Needs expansion. — Knightoftheswords 01:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Woefully under-referenced and not accessible to someone unfamiliar with the subject. Yes, she was a singer, but what were her commercial and critical benchmarks? I see nothing about chart positions or awards, and if this page had been written today, I'd understand a reviewer in Australia or India or the UK tagging it for notability. The page talks about "relaunching" a career (when?) but never mentions it fading away in the first place. I've removed unsourced personal information, a category on ethnicity that had no backing to it and a filmography which I blanked per WP:BURDEN due to a troublesome name in there. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not main-page quality. (The film Unknown Temptation refers to appears to exist, but wasn't linked or referenced.) Moscow Mule (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Enver Mamedov
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RBC Group (in Russian)
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Vmenkov (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit), Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 178.127.48.251 (talk · give credit) and Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Soviet diplomat. Should be ready to go. — Knightoftheswords 00:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is poorly cited and doesn't even mention his death. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Every paragraph is actually cited. However, needs a prose update on death and I'll support. Brandmeistertalk 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I've added his death and DoB into prose, but there's a list of awards in the infobox that don't have sources (these awards should probably have their own section in the article too). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Edgar Moron
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KStA
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Editrite! (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German Politician. Needs an additional source. — Knightoftheswords 00:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Peter C. Newman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, Maclean's, CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bwark (talk · give credit) and Leoboudv (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian-Canadian author and Journalist. Some citations are needed in the bio and bibliography section. — Knightoftheswords 00:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Louis Vitale
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pax Christi
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Franciscan friar, peace activist, and a co-founder of Nevada Desert Experience. Thriley (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is of required quality to post. Golem08 (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- This wikibio could use more REFs, particularly the Awards and Recognition section. --PFHLai (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Johnny Kitagawa sexual abuse
Blurb: Japanese pop agency Johnny & Associates (headquarters pictured) publicly admits and apologizes for sexual abuses on several hundred minors committed by its late founder Johnny Kitagawa. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, The Straits Times
210.165.152.210 (talk) 23:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - What a grim story, absolutely horrifying, but doesn't have enough significance for ITN IMO PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose - Infuriating and disgusting. I personally would have supported posting this, but ultimately this not a surprise when it comes to the idol industry, particularly in Japan; it's one of those unfortunate dog bites man stories that I think the world has seemingly numbed itself to. I think the most interesting part of this story is how badly and thoroughly it has tarnished the founder's reputation. Yet ITN has, through repeated recent consensus, indicated that it has no interest in stories with a seemingly limited impact or lasting consequences, if the only engine driving them is moral outrage. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Japanese idol industry is a very weird rabbit hole to dive into
- But yeah, corporate scandals don't really meet the ITN criteria usually, no matter how horrible. Maybe if this sparks widespread protest and outrage in Japan, but WP:CRYSTAL and all PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Terrible, horrible and absolutely repulsive stuff, but unfortunately not significant enough for ITN. Also the bolded article probably doesn't meet WP:ITNUPDATE with essentially a 1 sentence update (if we keep with the standard that sentences that don't convey more information than the ITN blurbs not counting). The other article Johnny & Associates has a much better update of basically a paragraph, but isn't bolded. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, and a regretful one. A horrible, disgusting, and terrifying story; however, I don't think this is a shock, especially in the Japanese idol industry. It seems to be another story and situation that people have just numbed themselves to. I agree with WaltCip: ITN doesn't have interest with stories that have seemingly limited impact; with this having only moral outrage driving it. I don't remember idol scandals being on ITN ever. Still absolutely sickens me, however. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 14:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose In considering such accusations, we go mainly by the result of court cases. The decisive cases happened around 20 years ago and the perp died 4 years ago. So, as news, this is quite stale and not appropriate for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Back up. The story isn't the accusation but the public admission and apology. No current or pending civil or criminal proceedings applicable here. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
September 6
September 6, 2023
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RD: Whitey Von Nieda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/nba-whitey-von-nieda-f65f0704d2117c1f94f00629a663b2f5
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Nominator's comments: The first NBA player to reach 100 years of age. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support: With Whitey Von Nieda being the first NBA alumni to reach centenarian age, his recent death is notable due to both the coverage it has received and the fact that Von Nieda reached such an exceptional age. I feel like Von Nieda being mentioned in the "recent deaths" panel is warranted. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 04:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose Career section almost entirely uncited and one of the tables in the Career Statistics sections also needs a source. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Hans-Ulrich Klose
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Hamburgs-ehemaliger-Buergermeister-Klose-gestorben,klose238.html
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Nominator's comments: Mayor of Hamburg, 1974 - 1981. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Early life and political career sections need refs. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lucrecia Hernández Mack
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Prensa Libre
Credits:
- Nominated by FlyingAce (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Guatemalan congresswoman. –FlyingAce✈hello 15:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose there are a few citations which need to be added but look like that could easily be done by a Wikipedian skilled in the art and science of citation (AKA not me at 11 at night). ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @HistoryTheorist: looks like the one "citation needed" tag has been cleared and the article is well referenced now – mind checking if anything else may be missing? :) –FlyingAce✈hello 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- looks good. I'll Support the nomination. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @HistoryTheorist: looks like the one "citation needed" tag has been cleared and the article is well referenced now – mind checking if anything else may be missing? :) –FlyingAce✈hello 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ian Hamilton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yorkshire Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Footballgy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 86.7.74.248 (talk · give credit), LilianaUwU (talk · give credit) and Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: English soccer player. — Knightoftheswords 14:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose the article could use some more citations before we release it to ITN. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs citation work. The Kip 04:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, article has unsourced content. Suonii180 (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - @The Kip, Suonii180, and HistoryTheorist:, I've cleaned the {{CN}} tags in the article. — Knightoftheswords 00:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Okay. I will rescind my oppose. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rescinded. Citations seem adequate. The Kip 06:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Opposition rescinded, no longer citation issues. Suonii180 (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for RD. Marking as ready (this technically has 3 supports since The Kip and HistoryTheorist have rescinded their opposes, 3 supports is plenty of consensus for an RD). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Up until his playing career in 1999, most of the body is a list of clubs he played for, without any description of his accomplishments or notable achievements there. Similar to a CV in prose format, insufficient depth of coverage IMO. SpencerT•C 00:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Some of the older refs need refreshing. I ran into a few deadlinks while performing spot-checks on the refs. Please update them. --PFHLai (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted although the article could still be improved, there are no active problems. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Burning Man 2023
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: In the United States, torrential flooding in the state of Nevada kills two people and causes the 70 thousand attendees of the Burning Man festival to be stranded in Black Rock Desert. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - WaPo - The Guardian - CBS - BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)
- September 2023 southwestern U.S. floods is also nominated at DYK, but really, it's better suited here. —Cryptic 02:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It's an event in the desert based in self-sufficiency. "Stranded" is misleading, and most would have stayed for the end burns.—Bagumba (talk) 03:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Fyre Festival II, for all purposes. --Masem (t) 03:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not a good analogy. There's a difference between a fraudulent festival containing 500 folks that was inherently doomed from the start vs a festival of record with nearly 100k attendees that only had conning done by mother nature. — Knightoftheswords 14:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Having a major event in a remote, desolate location was always set up for a problem like this. While not a scam, it is about people with disposable income making a poor choice. Masem (t) 15:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not a good analogy. There's a difference between a fraudulent festival containing 500 folks that was inherently doomed from the start vs a festival of record with nearly 100k attendees that only had conning done by mother nature. — Knightoftheswords 14:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- NYT Quote (Emphasized):
The Pershing County Sheriff’s Office said the cause of death of one person was unclear and was still under investigation but that it did not initially appear to be related to the weather.
InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC) - Oppose Local event. Bedivere (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
— Knightoftheswords 14:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
- Oppose - one (possibly related) death so far. 70,000 stranded leans in the favour of the blurb, but given the floods are now over, I don't think it'll reach the severity required. Anarchyte (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — Content on ITN needs to be significant, not interesting. If you're looking for a "compelling story", DYK may be of interest. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Content on ITN needs to be significant, not interesting.
- Per WP:ITNPURPOSE -
To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them
(which is what I was referring to with the "interesting" story bit). If you have an issue with that, take it to WT:ITN and propose it be removed. — Knightoftheswords 14:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- This is a textualist interpretation of what ITN is. Standards have changed as more extreme weather events have occurred. The flooding aspect of this blurb is not exceptional for the world nor the country. If hundreds had died—ergo, an exceptional flood—such an event would be suitable for ITN. A major scientific discovery meets the criterion you mentioned even though it may not be in the news. There is a degree of conservatism that is necessary here. Geographic bias is a considerable factor in ITN, including this nomination. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support. "70 thousand" should read "70,000" or "70 000". It's worth noting that this morning it was announced that the death appears to have been from intoxication, not the weather. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I would have been more willing to support a few days ago, but I feel like this event is getting a little stale PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- What do you mean by staleness? Rager7 (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose First off, this does not feel significant enough to be ITN-material, and it is at most DYK. secondly, This event has been going on for a few days, and it is thus stale. This also has no impact outside of Nevada, so it is not that important. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not stale; not even a week old, let alone older than the oldest item on ITN and again, we don't dismiss stories because they happened in one location for whatever reason. Also, can we please stop with the "this is DYK-material" mantra? However good-faith these statements are, they come off as just lazy rationales for opposing (especially considering a lot of the topics on ITN have articles that don't meet any of the WP:DYK eligibility criteria). — Knightoftheswords 14:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose nah, not that significant. Local and stale. Per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
- Or additionally,
— Knightoftheswords 14:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Please do not add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons.
- "Local", "stale" and "Per all above" are exactly my reasons for opposing it. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- How is it stale, and what about it being local is an issue? — Knightoftheswords 14:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- "Local", "stale" and "Per all above" are exactly my reasons for opposing it. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - the event is not even a week old, and thus by default is not stale; additionally, per repeated consensus on WT:ITN, staleness refers to any item older than the oldest ITN blurb, even if it's seven days old or more (the oldest item is from August 23), so the arguments that oppose due to staleness are invalid. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Do not bludgeon discussions by responding to each post in opposition to your view. Masem (t) 15:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe make !votes based on policy? Seriously, this willingness to ignore policy when it suits us is why ITN was on the gallows a few weeks ago. — Knightoftheswords 16:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- The policy is "We talk it out civilly, and follow what the consensus tells us to do". The reason ITN was on the gallows is because people aren't willing to let consensus be consensus, and want to argue and berate and WP:BLUDGEON every discussion that isn't going their way. Back tf down dude, you've said quite enough. --Jayron32 16:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know about that; we've been doing that for a while now, but that never produced any results. — Knightoftheswords 17:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you can certainly keep doing what you're doing with the arguing and bludgeoning, and we can come back later to ANI and see if they have anything different to say as a result. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know about that; we've been doing that for a while now, but that never produced any results. — Knightoftheswords 17:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- The policy is "We talk it out civilly, and follow what the consensus tells us to do". The reason ITN was on the gallows is because people aren't willing to let consensus be consensus, and want to argue and berate and WP:BLUDGEON every discussion that isn't going their way. Back tf down dude, you've said quite enough. --Jayron32 16:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe make !votes based on policy? Seriously, this willingness to ignore policy when it suits us is why ITN was on the gallows a few weeks ago. — Knightoftheswords 16:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Do not bludgeon discussions by responding to each post in opposition to your view. Masem (t) 15:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality for both bolded articles is sufficient, event is current and covered sufficiently by news to indicate significance. --Jayron32 15:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, as a story of insufficient impact. And I'll note that "Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country" is written because very significant events are sometimes largely restricted in impact to single country, not because significance does not matter as a criterion. Nobody here is opposing because this is a US-specific event; we're opposing because at the scale we usually consider, it's not significant. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Vanamonde. Hard to see the significance in deaths resulting from, as stated by the above, poor planning combined with force majeure. Based on the outcomes of recent prior nominations, it looks like ITN as a whole seems to be steering away from posting disasters that don't carry any long-term significance. That's not an entirely bad thing. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose as blurb is misleading per Bagumba. The roads were closed off well in advance of when people would be trying to leave anyway. "Porto-potties at Burning Man worse than usual due to lack of pump truck access to Playa" and "Weekend Burning Man attendees unable to show up for two days of partying and then bail immediately due to road closure" don't seem ITN-worthy. Would support a later story if BLM revokes the land use permit due to insufficient cleanup, but we won't know that for months. Folly Mox (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
September 5
September 5, 2023
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RD: Antonio Galves
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USP (Portuguese)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Mike Peel (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sturm (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian Professor of Mathematics at the University of São Paulo, jointly created the Galves–Löcherbach model. --Mike Peel (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Mike Peel, can you add a citation for the last section and add an explanation for how Galves is related to that (other than the name)? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The ed17: Thanks for looking at the article. Reference added, and explanation of the connection clarified, how does that look? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Anatol Ugorski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk, also English and French
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pianist from the Soviet Union who played controversial Western Schoenberg - Messiaen - Boulez there, and found his career interrupted for a decade after his applause for Boulez at a concert was found politically unreliable, escaped to East Berlin after antisemitic harassment of his daughter, and began a new career in the West at age 50. - Article was basically there but needed references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support I tagged one reference with {{unreliable source}} but I don't see that as a problem for RD. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. I took it out, - there are others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: María Teresa Campos
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cadena SER El Periódico
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Pioneering, popular and referent Spanish journalist and television presenter. Expanded article with its content cited. I think it's ready, but I'm sure something needs to be polished. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough for RD, AGFing Spanish sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 15:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support , a very popular Spanish TV presenter. Article ready (improved by _-_Alsor, good job !). Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Alexcalamaro, also for your early updates! _-_Alsor (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. AGF all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Molly Holzschlag
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tuscon Sentinel
Credits:
- Nominated by OwenBlacker (talk · give credit)
- Updated by E mln e (talk · give credit), Victuallers (talk · give credit), Favourdare123 (talk · give credit) and Jös (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Key figure in the Open Web movement. (And all BLP subjects are considered notable on death.) OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks fine. Ahiijny (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Well sourced, no reason not to post now. Jusdafax (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Necmettin Cevheri
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cumhuriyet (in Turkish)
Credits:
- Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Turkish politican and lawyer. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good to me. OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Any more materials on what he accomplished as minister of ...? even deputy prime minister? --PFHLai (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted but Egeymi, it would be great if you could add info that would answer PFHLai's questions above! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- The ed17 I will try, thanks, Egeymi (talk) 05:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Yunus Bandu
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://makassar.terkini.id/eks-bupati-sidrap-dan-luwu-yunus-bandu-sempat-masuk-icu-22-hari-sebelum-meninggal/
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indonesian local politician. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good to me. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Any more materials on what he accomplished as regent? --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I've added one more stuff about his accomplishment as regent. It's hard to find more about him in national publications. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Adam Exner
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The B.C. Catholic; Archdiocese of Winnipeg
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well sourced, and covering all the major contours of his life in detail. Bremps... 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article's sourcing, depth and length is good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support article is in great condition. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - A fine example of good writing based on sources. Jusdafax (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Albert Azaryan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Olympic Champion Albert Azaryan dies aged 94
Credits:
- Nominated by 4me689 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: a 3 time Olympic champion 4me689 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Quite a few paragraphs with zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
New PM in Vanuatu
Blurb: In Vanuatu, Sato Kilman (pictured) is elected prime minister by parliament, succeeding Ishmael Kalsakau (Post)
News source(s): SCMP - Reuters - ABC (Australia)
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Academic Challenger (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 86.126.217.26 (talk · give credit), Moondragon21 (talk · give credit), Wykx (talk · give credit), Vardion (talk · give credit) and Bedivere (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: New PM in Vanuatu. There are some citations needed in his article, but otherwise should be good to go. By the way, per List of current heads of state and government, Vanuatu's PM is the head of state. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- The update is one-sentence but I guess there is not that much to say? Still, I'd like to see more text before I am comfortable by posting. Tone 14:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The first article has not been adequately updated. The lead doesn't mention anything about this. It also doesn't cover anything about how he became PM, just that it happened. Needs some expansion. The second article should not be bolded, it does not contain sufficient prose about the event to qualify as a bolded link. If these problems are fixed, ping me to re-assess. --Jayron32 15:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jayron32 I expanded a little bit the election mention on their biography. Bedivere (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Bedivere: So, like right now, the lead states "He is Prime Minister of Vanuatu on four occasions, most recently from June 2015 to February 2016. Kilman was previously Prime Minister from December 2010 to April 2011 and from May to June 2011, though his premiership was subsequently annulled by a court of law." That is both grammatically incorrect and factually incorrect. That needs some major work before we can post this. --Jayron32 18:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jayron32 I expanded a little bit the election mention on their biography. Bedivere (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yes on blurb, No on picture, I don't think it needs a picture, never the less it's still a new head of government, just remember to get the article and it sources fixed first.
- 4me689 (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
it is not a head of government in a significant country.
- ITN doesn't particularly care about that and I'd strongly recommend you strike this comment. What is or isn't a significant country is highly subjective, and voicing opposition to something because of the country's "insignificance" goes against point 2 of WP:ITNCDONT. The Kip 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The Kip, I said no on picture, not on the blurb, never the less, I'll still reword it. 4me689 (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I would probably note how he got ousted rather than succeeded in an election. Other than that, I would probably say it's fine.
- Oppose on quality - Article has only a single-sentence update, with no further details given. The Kip 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The Kip It's been expanded (a bit). Bedivere (talk) 23:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Include the blurb and picture. Vanuatu is such a small country that representing them on the main page would be superb! Bedivere (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Curbon7 (talk) 04:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)- I know that. I see a sentence that needs referencing and that's all. I still support this. Bedivere (talk) 05:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I could easily find a reference for that, and it's ready to go IMHO. Bedivere (talk) 05:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Articles also need to be updated sufficiently, see WP:ITNUPDATE:
The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable. Changes in verb tense (e.g. "is" → "was") or updates that convey little or no relevant information beyond what is stated in the ITN blurb are insufficient.
They also need to be minimally comprehensive, per WP:ITNQUALITY:Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items.
. - This is the concern expressed by other !voters here. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I did extend that little sentence there was regarding their election as PM. Just for the record Bedivere (talk) 13:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Articles also need to be updated sufficiently, see WP:ITNUPDATE:
- I could easily find a reference for that, and it's ready to go IMHO. Bedivere (talk) 05:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I know that. I see a sentence that needs referencing and that's all. I still support this. Bedivere (talk) 05:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose There's no separate article about the event and the nominated articles don't give it much prominence or give a coherent narrative. For example, Prime Minister of Vanuatu has a section called Disputes which says nothing about this even though the outcome depended on controversial rulings by the Supreme Court. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - the Sato article needs more sources. starship.paint (RUN) 15:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
September 4
September 4, 2023
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(Posted) RD: Walter Arlen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kurier (in German), The Violin Channel (in English)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died age 103, Holocaust survivor, composer, music critic, academic teacher. Rich sources, - a bit shocking how little we have from them. Help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is adequate for R.D. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
RD: Douglas Lenat
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Thriley (talk) 16:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs extensive citation work - for instance, there's just a single ref in the "Background and education" section, and only two in the "Research" section. The Kip 18:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Edith Grossman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BartlebytheScrivener (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Doyenne of Spanish>English literary translation in recent years (Cervantes, García Márquez, Vargas Llosa...). Moscow Mule (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality seems good enough. Extensively cited. The Kip 18:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Gonna go ahead and tag @Admins willing to post ITN - this has been tagged as ready for about two days now. The Kip 19:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gary Wright
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Doc Strange (talk · give credit) and Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American musician. Discography section is missing some sources, but the rest of the article looks good. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support The quality of this article is excellent and already far superior to that of Steve Harwell. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well-sourced and thorough article. JumbledPasta (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose As per usual, the discography/charting section is almost wholly uncited. The Kip 18:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Weak oppose Discography section unsourced.Support All issues fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)- Support I've added sources for discography and charts. --Vacant0 (talk) 09:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support The reliability of some of the sources isn't the best in the world but it's good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Clearly ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) 2023 unrest in Kirkuk
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Protests are taking place in this city, it is possible that they will develop into a full-fledged civil war. 1 man was killed and 11 people got hurt (Post)
News source(s): Reuters - Deutsche Welle - Al Jazeera - Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Taw Tu'lki (talk · give credit)
- Premature The article needs significant work and as such had to be draftified first. Honestly there's no significance internationally, so this should not be on ITN. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wait for the actural civil war to happen before we post the blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Recommend close With all due respect - general lack of notability aside, the article and blurb itself are both in disastrous shape. There’s arguments to be made this should still be a draft, and as such I’m recommending closure. The Kip 17:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Snow close provinical, crystal, article quality. Ooh baby, a triple. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
(Pulled) RD: Steve Harwell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, Rolling Stone, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ryme071 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Smash Mouth lead vocalist --Vacant0 (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - a little on the short side, but should be fine for RD. Anarchyte (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Opposer per WP:ITNQUALITY. I think this is too short to the point of not being "minimally comprehensive". From a quick read, what stands out to me is there's nothing on his early life (like where he was raised, what high school he went to), it doesn't say what year he formed Smash Mouth, has one unsourced sentence to note that he is "best known for" the big hit single that probably needs to be more of the bio, and it doesn't say anything about the mother of his child (wife? girlfriend?) – Muboshgu (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support – Article is short, but good quality and well cited. –DMartin 18:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Muboshgu - there's literally nothing in the "Career" section between forming the band (1994) and 2006, this omitting a huge chunk of the entire career of the band that he is only notable for. Black Kite (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support when all sources are fixed, but after that he should be included. R.I.P to this All-Star. 4me689 (talk) 19:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article should be expanded but it appears to be good enough to post. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support The article in question covers the main contours of his life and is verifiable. Bremps... 23:22, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose More detail needed on his career with Smash Mouth for this to be adequate. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:31, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support The article needs some expansion but it is of good enough quality as it doesn't omit any major items, the main information which readers would be looking for is mostly in the article. Happily888 (talk) 01:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Not wowed by the article quality. But what's there is adequate for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Considering he just died, and given the opposers saying its not comprehensive with examples, it seems we could have waited to at least have the page cover as much as basic obituaries (The New York Times)—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- That's not a basic obituary. It's a full-scale news article from a powerhouse outlet which pays its staff to work together quickly. This is what your basic Boise decedent gets in the line of "tribute", and our article covers those bases (minus the POV). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Except we're not talking about a random Steve from Boise, and all it minimally takes is paraphrasing from one (of many) readily-available comprehensive obits. —Bagumba (talk) 00:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
...(minus the POV)
: Undesirable to omit POV per the WP:YESPOV policy:
—Bagumba (talk) 00:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)As such, the neutral point of view does not mean the exclusion of certain points of view. It means including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.
- Random Steve (not his real name) has a lead that calls him a revered patriarch who left his descendants a legacy of unwavering loyalty and is now in the doubtlessly warmest embrace of his beloved wife, Peggy. That's the sort of POV I mean. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to say that most people know this Random Steve from "All-Star" (or one of its videos). I think that's a pretty widely held belief in the mainstream media. And yeah, there are other factoids out there in the sources (including your example) that could make this link to a better than decent overview of the man behind the myth. It's not stubby enough to pull, though. At least that's what I'd opine if I still worked here. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- That's not a basic obituary. It's a full-scale news article from a powerhouse outlet which pays its staff to work together quickly. This is what your basic Boise decedent gets in the line of "tribute", and our article covers those bases (minus the POV). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Considering he just died, and given the opposers saying its not comprehensive with examples, it seems we could have waited to at least have the page cover as much as basic obituaries (The New York Times)—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Post-posting oppose Two cn tags and article is a bit lacking in terms of his career. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- And zero mention of "All Star" now. —Bagumba (talk) 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Restored, by virtue of the edit summary simply not being true. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- And zero mention of "All Star" now. —Bagumba (talk) 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pull. I'm in agreement with TDKR. For being arguably the most well-known member of a fairly prolific band, this article is pretty sad. A certain depth of coverage of a person's life should be needed even for RD, and this article doesn't have it. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pull there are two cn tags in important content of the article and much of it is about his private life. Far from the type of article we would/should post. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pull If this article had been written today and the subject wasn't dead, it would have been instantly merged with Smash Mouth as there's barely anything on the page about him as an individual, except for a blow-by-blow of his physical decline. And even the Smash Mouth bit is barely there. I took five minutes to add from a reference that was already there his reason for leaving rap in the early 1990s, as that's about his personal artistry besides Smash Mouth. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pulled Quality concerns were noted before this was posted, and there's been significant continued quality concerns after it has been posted. Pulling until those have been addressed. After the article has been fixed per all of the notes above have been addressed, this can be re-posted. --Jayron32 18:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- No objection. At the time I posted this there was a roughly 2:1 consensus supporting. That has clearly changed to a degree that justifies pulling the RD pending article improvement. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- No fault on your part, in case that wasn't clear. It was a legitimate read of consensus at the time you posted it. You were fine. --Jayron32 18:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- No objection. At the time I posted this there was a roughly 2:1 consensus supporting. That has clearly changed to a degree that justifies pulling the RD pending article improvement. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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