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August 13

Uneven bars

Originally posted on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, moved here as Entertainment covers sport.

When did the Asymmetric Bars in gymnastics become the Uneven Bars? The latter just sounds child-like to me. They were called Asymmetric bars when I used to watch the Olympics as a kid. Jooler (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've always known the apparatus as Asymmetric Bars and didn't even know the name had changed, but looking at the article history I see Uneven Bars was first created in May 2003, while Asymmetric Bars was first created in December 2005. To me though, it sounds like a dumbing down of sport like the dumbing down of TV, or maybe today's poorly educated journalists (and wiki-editors) can't spell asymmetric :-). Astronaut (talk) 18:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed this edit summary - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gymnastics_uneven_bars&diff=944640&oldid=944514 Jooler (talk) 19:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Asymmetric bars" gets 245 hits in Google News and 328 including archives, and 2 from 1979 and older. "Uneven bars" gets 1173 hits in Google News and 23,200 including the news archives, and 794 from 1979 and older. Wikipedia prefers the most commonly used term. Edison (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two points. Firstly "the most common term" and "what Wikipedia uses" are not part of the question. Secondly. Such simple Google searches prove nothing. Google news archives typically use only US based resources. Jooler (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Untrue. Please provide evidence. Corvus cornix_talk 20:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Find me something not from the US for before 1998. Jooler (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go: "A perfect 10". Archived radio clip of a July 1976 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation broadcast by Peter Gzowski discussing Nadia Comaneci's performance on the "uneven parallel bars". - Eron^Talk 20:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was this obtained via Google News Archives? (It wasn't was it). If it was, perhaps I should have said non-North American. Jooler (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The author of this is Russian, writing in 1990. Corvus cornix_talk 21:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google Books is not Google News Archive Jooler (talk) 21:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I am not a tortoise. Non sequitur. Corvus cornix_talk 22:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We were talking about Google News Archive and it using predominantly United States/North American sources (certainly for before 1998). Jooler (talk) 23:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, you asked for something not from the US for before 1998. Not something not from the US for before 1998 from Google News Archive. Corvus cornix_talk 03:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly that statement was in the context of this thread, whereby you disputed my claim about Google News Archive using predominantly US based archives. 07:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This says "asymmetric bars", I'm not sure what nationality the reportage is, but the announcers clearly have non-North American accents. It's from 1989, apparently. Corvus cornix_talk 21:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI that is a British broadcast. I'm surprised you can't recognise a British accent. There's also a big clue in the video The Daily Mirror logo is prominently shown. Jooler (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the logo. Since I found it at nz.youtube, I thought it might be Kiwi, but why should I be expected to recogniz/se a British accent? Let's try to remain civil, shall we? Corvus cornix_talk 22:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? I like most of my countrymen could recognise the nationality of most native English accents without too much difficulty with with perhaps the possible exception of confusing Aussie and New Zealand (see Fish and Chips). Jooler (talk) 23:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How marvelous for you. Can you differentiate between American, Canadian, New England, Californian, Bermudan, Belizean, New Jersey and Texan? Corvus cornix_talk 03:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes certainly. I can also tell a Geordie from a Cockney, and Received Pronunciation from Estuary English and Scouse from Brummie. Jooler (talk) 07:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But the BBC is calling the event "uneven bars". Corvus cornix_talk 21:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's the point of the whole question. The BBC and others including the competitors themselves are now calling it the Uneven Bars. When did it change? It appears that Uneven Bars was more commonly used in the US. But the edit summary I quoted above suggested that the official name was changed. Jooler (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This may be a question of different national usages. I am in Canada, and until reading this question I had never heard the term "asymmetric bars". To me, the event has always been called the uneven bars since I first saw it on TV during the Montreal Olympics. - Eron^Talk 20:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a national question all right. I have never, until now, heard of the "Uneven Bars". It was always the "asymmetric bars". I wonder why we have recently adopted the North American name for the sport. Which I guess is the essence of the question. Fribbler (talk) 21:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that in Canada, it's uneven bars as far back as I can remember (and I remember Nadia). Looking at the IOC website, the medal searches are for "uneven bars" also, all the way back (though that could have changed at some point). I think this may be one of those areas where the Brits call it one thing, the ROW another. When you say it used to be called the asymmetric bars, are you referring to an official Olympic designation from some time ago, or to your local/national news reportage at the time? Franamax (talk) 23:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When I was in high school in Canada c.1970, they were "uneven parallel bars", not just "uneven bars". Note that that's what the CBC is cited above as using in 1976. I don't remember ever hearing "asymmetric bars" before this reference desk thread, although I've never paid much attention to gynmastics. --Anonymous, 03:02 UTC, August 12, 2008.

The IOC AFAIK uses (or at least used to use) British English (hence Football at the Summer Olympics, Athletics (not track and field), Hockey not Field Hockey (Our article doesn't reflect this), and thus I believe it was officially called Asymmetric Bars, but I have no evidence of this. The link above suggests that there was a Guardian article about it being changed to uneven bars. Jooler (talk) 23:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's correct to say the IOC uses British English. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't, but what is relevant here is that for sports they use the terminology that the relevant international sport federation uses. It's called football because that's what FIFA calls it, not because that is the British English term. The same applies for hockey (FIH), ice hockey (IIHF), athletics (IAAF), etc.- Eron^Talk 00:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See [1] - "As an example, information must be provided in: English, French and the local language. The detail of the requirements can cause some difficulties. The particular form of English required for the Olympics is British English. This may cause confusion for those educated in US English." Jooler (talk) 07:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, all mentions of the event at the Federation International de Gymnastique website refers to it as "uneven bars", while the word "asymmetrical" does not yield a single hit. If "asymmetrical" was ever the official term, there's no evidence of it. Now, "uneven" might seem "dumbed down" to some of you, but isn't it more accurate, since the bars are only asymmetrical if you're looking at it from the sides and perfectly symmetrical when you're looking at it head-on, but they're uneven from all four directions.^{[original research?]} --Mosmof (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The site you've linked to (fedintgym.com) does not appear to be correct or current. Try clicking on the link to English. The correct site is fig-gymnastics.com. Also the word is asymmetric, not asymmetrical - see [2]. Not many hits though, there are nearly as many hits for the misspelling "asymetric", but its not really the point anyway. Jooler (talk) 00:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Switching to Google News UK (which is not U.S.-centric), "Asymmetric bars" gets 253 hits, with 328 hits including archives, and 2 from 1979 and earlier. "Uneven bars" gets 1221 hits, with 23,300 including archives, and 794 for 1979 and earlier. In what alternate reality did people call this event "asymmetric bars"? Edison (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The alternate reality of my memory, as least... The evidence seems pretty damning, though. --Tango (talk) 00:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno about "damning". Google News UK archives is just the same as Google News USA archives as far as I can see, and I can't see anything from a UK source before 1998. As for recent years, that's the whole point of the question. It is NOW usual for the British media and the competitors to say "uneven bars". Edison - What are the links for what you have found? Jooler (talk) 07:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it being suggested that "uneven bars" is a dumbed-down version of "asymmetric bars"? The former describes the bars better, I think. "Asymmetric bars" could mean any bars that are not symmetrical, so if, for example, they were at even height but one was longer. "Uneven bars" suggests they are at different heights. Also, the uneven bars are symmetrical, you just need to change your plane of reference (either look at them from the front or back, or look from the side at a tilt). — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 01:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a Guardian article from 20 September 2000 which is probably the one mentioned above. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sydney/story/0,,370704,00.html it says "In 1997 she was the all-around world champion and she has been the queen of the asymmetric bars - now dumbed down to the description "uneven" - for the last four world championships, and won the Olympic gold medal in Atlanta." - At first glance I thought the " last four world championships" was referring to the "dumbing down" but of course it is referring to Svetlana Khorkina's hold on the World championship. Jooler (talk) 07:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems we're not the only ones pondering this question. This forum question is very similar and even worries the dumbing down might extend to renaming the parallel bars to the 'side by side bars' :-) Astronaut (talk) 16:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know about the UK, but from what I can remember most coverage here in NZ has referred to the bars as 'asymmetric' Nil Einne (talk) 09:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that, because of the current Olympic games, the questioner is actually asking when the IOC stopped referring to the apparatus as "asymmetric bars" and started referring to them as "uneven bars". That is easy. It was part of a vote (that was a bit overshadowed by a vote against political demonstrations at the games) that took place on ... wait, what's the point. Isn't the questioner just going to delete my response anyway? -- kainaw ™ 12:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are two issues here: What the sport governing bodies call a sport, event, or apparatus, and what the people watching the sport call it. There is a lot of evidence that some parts of the the English speaking-world have called this the uneven bars for many years, while in other areas it used to be called asymmetric bars and only recently changed to uneven bars. What I haven't seen is any evidence that the Fédération Internationale de Gymnastique ever called this event the asymmetric bars. Searching on "asymmetric" at the Federation website turns up nothing. - Eron^Talk 13:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect. As I pointed out earlier searching fig-gymnastics.com does in fact turn up a number of hits (here) and also a number of hits for the misspelling "asymetric" (here). I think you must have searched exel.fig-gymnastics.com instead. However as the Guardian article was written in 2000 it suggests that the "dumbing down" to uneven bars would have happened before most of the documents on the website were written. Jooler (talk) 17:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There appear to be a number of FIG related sites. I cannot access any site called fig-gymnastics.com. Going to www.fig-gymnastics.com brings up a splash page that redirects visitors looking for the "Main FIG Website" to exel.fig-gymnastics.com. Every link on the list of search results you provided comes up as a 404 for me, suggesting that the fig-gymnastics site no longer exists.

That said, there do appear to be cached pages available at Google. Searching fig-gymnastics for "asymmetric bars" turns up six results. One good example of these results is this cached page. It is an athlete bio. In the list of her results, it calls the apparatus the uneven bars. In the narrative at the bottom, it calls the apparatus asymmetric bars.

This strongly suggests to me that the official name is, and probably has been for some time, the uneven bars. Asymmetric bars seems to be a regional usage. This is supported by a search of fig-gymnastics for "uneven bars" which turns up 94 results. - Eron^Talk 17:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This site http://www.databaseolympics.com/index.htm uses the term asymmetric. Jooler (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does. It also states "We are not affiliated with the Olympics or any other Olympic organization."

You apparently have decided already what answer you want, and are not interested in any information that does not match that answer. I think I'm done here. Sorry I couldn't give you what you were looking for. - Eron^Talk 18:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, I'm trying to find the answer to the original question: "When did it change?" , in doing so I'm doing my own research and bringing it here for discussion. As such I have already made it clear that in all likelihood the date of change pre-dates 2000 as the Guardian article from September 2000 states "the asymmetric bars - now dumbed down to the description "uneven"" - clearly the author of that article (a sports journalist called Stephen Bierley who it appears (from a quick Google) still contributes sports reports to the Guardian) believed that at one time it was called "asymmetric" and was now "uneven". You say "This strongly suggests to me that the official name is, and probably has been for some time, the uneven bars." - well yes, from at least 2000 as I'd already indicated. So we are partially there with the answer, but not completely. I found the www.databaseolympics.com site shortly before I had to go off and make the dinner. So I didn't even see the "We are not affiliated with the Olympics or any other Olympic organization." bit. I am still trying to find a definitive answer. It it turns out that they have always been "uneven bars" and evidence is provided to show this, I'll be just as happy as I would if i found a date for a change. I'm sorry you seem to have taken offence. Jooler (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, I'd already come to the conclusion that Jooler is more interested in argumentation and proving his superiority, rather than a discussion of the topic, therefore I dropped out of this conversation several days ago. Corvus cornix_talk 19:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also sorry you too have taken offence. You said to me "prove it" regarding google news archive - which I tried to do by posing a challenge to you to find a non-US article from before 1998 on Google News archives. You then seemed to misinterpret this entirely, and provide responses that had nothing to do with Google News Archive. Jooler (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like you've had the answer above - The Olympic Committee changed it in a vote at the same time they voted to ban political demonstations. That would be after the Seoul Olympics, if memory serves. Did you look into that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.224.223 (talk) 00:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Olympics. Which one was famous for a show of black power on the medal podium? And no, he didn't look into it. He was too busy complaining about and deleting responses. -- kainaw ™ 00:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kainaw the tone of your original response above suggested to me that your answer was not intended to be taken seriously. So no I didn't look into it. As regards deleting unhelpful responses please see Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Nonsense_answers. The guidelines allow for offensive postings to be deleted and I think that posting a nonsense answer shows disrespect to the OP of a question that amounts to taking the piss, which can be offensive. If you are serious (and I still don't know if you are or whether you are "taking the piss"), then it would be extremely helpful if you could post the evidence. Deliberately being obtuse doesn't help anyone. We are presumably talking about the addition of 51.3 of the Olympic Charter "No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas." Thank you. Jooler (talk) 08:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears you are basing your view on an article in "The Guardian". How about any of these newspaper articles compared to this total lack of newspaper articles? (Note: All articles are from the 60's, which predates 2000.) The apparatus was introduced to the olympics in 1936. It was not accepted. It floundered for many years until becoming a staple event by 1970. So, to be most accurate, until the 70's, most people called it "those weird bars that none of the gymnasts want to use." -- kainaw ™ 13:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I've pointed out numerous times within this thread, Google News Archives pre-1998 only contains sources from United States ( and a couple of Canadian) publications. Try a search of The Times digital archive - http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/ and you will find the first reference to Asymmetric Bars from 1961. Jooler (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps everyone in the world has a different definition of "when" then you have. You asked "When did the Asymmetric Bars in gymnastics become the Uneven Bars?". You have been shown repeatedly from many sources that they were called uneven bars as early as 1960 - long before they became popular. So, your answer is painfully clear - they ALWAYS were known by two different names. You were also given the exact point in time in which the IOC adopted one name instead of two. Your response is just a childish refusal to accept an answer you don't like. Why would people respond in a childish way to someone who is being childish? I don't know. -- kainaw ™ 17:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kainaw - It's been clear from the second answer that people in the US have used the term uneven bars for a long time. As you pointed out I was indeed referring to general usage and the IOC in particular. You're original posting hinted at an answer but provided no support for it or citation and was posted in a response which was deliberately designed to give an obtuse unclear answer and quite frankly it read like you were just taking the piss. You are the one playing childish games. If this is the answer then great!, that's exactly what I wanted to know, but how can I know whether it is true or your are just pulling my chain? In short how do you know that that is the answer? Jooler (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Popular London Radio Stations

Hi, Can someone please advise me as to what are the most popular radio stations in London in terms of current music? Ie, what is being played in the clubs, bars, etc? Many thanks MW198.240.130.75 (talk) 00:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently it depends on what bars/clubs you go to and what style of music you are into. A place to start might be Uk radio stations and BBC Radio. It is far too dependent on what the 'style' of the club/bar is as to waht radio station will be similar to that style of music. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Olympic attire

Watching the Olympics, I notice that all the Australian athletes regardless of sport are wearing teal and gold uniforms. It seems odd since their flag is red, white, and blue. Who decided on this color scheme and why? —D. Monack ^talk 03:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's confusing, isn't it. Although our flag is red, white and blue, our national colours are green and gold. Teal is a kind of bluey-green, which I guess is a bit of a nod to the flag's colours. -- JackofOz (talk) 03:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Green and gold: colours used by Aussie sporting teams since 1899. Gwinva (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, New Zealand, with a red/white/blue flag, wears black. See National colours for other examples. Gwinva (talk) 03:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine one reason is that anyone wearing red, white, and blue will likely be thought to be from the United States. StuRat (talk) 05:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that statement lacks a bit of perspective, Stu. There are plenty of countries with those three colours. Also, Australia and NZ started wearing the colours they use today about a hundred years ago. Can you perhaps think of another place with red, white and blue in the flag that they had very, very close ties to at that time? (Consideration of the flag of that union might not be relevant though, since the constituent countries would have competed individually in many competitions, AFAIK) /Coffeeshivers (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's broaden my statement a bit: "They avoid using red, white, and blue colors as those would be likely to cause confusion with all the other countries using those colors". StuRat (talk) 13:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verily. At the Commonwealth Games, there are separate teams from England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Island. To confuse matters, at the Olympics the team from the UK is referred to as "Great Britain", despite the fact that this is a purely geographical term for the large island containing England, Wales and Scotland (the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). On the other hand, "Ireland" at the Olympics refers to the whole island of Ireland, which includes Northern Ireland, a part of the UK (but not geographically of Great Britain). This gives competitors from Northern Ireland the afaik unique choice of being able to compete for either "Ireland" or "Great Britain", even though they belong to neither the country of Ireland nor the island of Great Britain. Confused yet? -- JackofOz (talk) 09:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed last night that the Australian swimmers seem to be wearing red, white and blue instead of green and gold. Corvus cornix_talk 19:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? All the Aussie swimmers I've seen have worn a dark green with yellow stars; track suits were green and yellow (gold) too. Gwinva (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Ticket Price

What were the ticket prices for the opening ceremonies for the 2008 Olympics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.70.91 (talk) 04:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They ranged from 200 yuan up to 5000 yuan for the best seats. (That's $29-$730) Link. Fribbler (talk) 11:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, prices will be higher at unofficial outlets. F (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a "Harlem Globetrotters" of baseball, football, etc.?

I haven't heard of one so maybe I'll start a multi man zany farm of hilarity! Can you imagine -guys running the bases backwards!? Having a 5'2" 300lb. "crazy man from the crowd" rush the football field and singlehandedly tackle the entire opposing team!? How about during a pro wrestling type pre game I get a "Hockey Hunk" to pose for pictures (old fashioned flash powder and all). Without warning his baby's mom would jump onto the stage, and hit him with a rolling pin! After "security" removes her, our hero poses alpha strong on the ice. When suddenly, he falls in! The funny part is only his hand would be visible sticking out of the water while he waves a white flag. Then, instead of refreezing the ice, get this, the hole would be duct taped over! The Harlem Globetrotters didnt last for years because people don't like sports satire.

Consider the phrase "Put a tent on that circus!" This cliche is so well entrenched that its astounding no one has made other parody sports. So I have now provided information.--Baseball and and and Popcorn Fanatic (talk) 18:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of parody sports to different degrees. What would you call the "Bud Bowl" or "Lingerie Football"? Neither one is serious. Note that to parody doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be funny. -- kainaw ™ 18:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Indianapolis Clowns have been called "the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball". Zagalejo^^^ 01:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby Union has the Baa-Baas - X201 (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a copy of every baseball game somewhere?

Does MLB have copies only? How come we never see them? I'll bet a satellite channel of random games from the last 60 years or so would go over great!--Baseball and and and Popcorn Fanatic (talk) 20:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ESPN Classic plays old games, don't they? Adam Bishop (talk) 00:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They do. But at least the few times I was watching it, the games were heavily edited for time. I don't know if they did the editing or someone else up the line. Matt Deres (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many older games were taped over or simply thrown out by the TV stations. This is allegedly the oldest complete regular season broadcast still in existence (though I haven't found an independent source to verify that). Some playoff games from the 1950s have also been preserved. Zagalejo^^^ 01:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article, MLB has copies of every postseason game since 1981. Zagalejo^^^ 01:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen.

I keep seeing pictures on the internet of the new Robots from the upcoming Transformers 2:Revenge of the Fallen.Does anyone know if they're real?Because that's really getting to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.252.58 (talk) 02:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it all depends on what you mean by "real". Do they do all the things in the movie ? Of course not. Will there be posable transformer toys that resemble those in the movie for sale immediately after the movie opens ? You can count on it. That's pretty much the point of the movie, to push their "action figures". StuRat (talk) 05:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He probably means to ask if the pictures he's seen are of robots that will actualy be featured in the film, or is he seeing forgeries. Hard to say without knowing which photographs he's thinking of. APL (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

How did the Georgian beach volleyball teams qualify to play for Georgia, since they're all Brazilians? Nyttend (talk) 02:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think all that matters is citizenship. --mboverload @ 02:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a similar question a few days ago on the Misc desk about an American basketball player on the German team; the discussion is here. The short answer is that Mboverload is correct: IOC rules only require that they have Georgian citizenship. If they are dual citizens, they can pick which of the two countries they want to represent. (Which typically is the country where they willhave the easiest time qualifying for the team.) - Eron^Talk 13:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

help me about video capture!

Hi Guys, I use i Screen Recorder to capture my video files, but I can not make it work. Is there anyone can show me what to do? Thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystal AB (talk • contribs) 03:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you e-mail or phone the developers of the product, and provide for them a better description of what doesn't work. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 13:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disney Channel Business Model

I was just wondering today, what is Disney's business model with their Disney Channel? They display no commercials, except for previews for their own shows, and new DVDs, soundtracks, etc. I was thinking it's that they might be able to "expand their Disney universe" - trying to make younger kids fall in love with Disney, so they can see their movies, etc., but can you think of any more reasons why? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legolas52 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like it to me, it's a marketing device for Disney. I think they also get a portion of your monthly cable fees, but that's just gravy. StuRat (talk) 05:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Disney only runs ads for Disney products as well, they must subsidize themselves. Corvus cornix_talk 19:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apropos of not much, as far as I know Disneyland and Disney World have never had a toll-free phone number for reservations. That must save them millions each year. — OtherDave (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disney Channel is a marketing device to sell merchandise and crappy music. The Hannah Montana empire can probably support the whole channel. You really have to marvel - it's hideous genius. --mboverload @ 21:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Disney Channel, like many other cable networks, charges a subscriber fee. This is paid by your local cable provider thus comes out of your monthly cable bill. Most relatively popular cable networks charge some kind of fee and most also run commercials but you as a subscriber don't see the itemized cost. I.e., ESPN, I believe, has one the highest fees in the business — somewhere around $5 per subscriber. That's on top of their significant ad sales. Like Disney, Turner Classic Movies and C-SPAN have no commercials and get all of their revenue from subscriber fees. —D. Monack ^talk 05:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A video on Beavis & Butthead

Hi. I'm trying to remember the name of a band I saw on the original broadcast of Beavis and Butthead, back in the day. The boys were watching music videos, as always, and this band with two singers came on. I think they were sort of a metal-rap hybrid. White guys, from the US midwest, I think. While one of the singers was singing, the other was talking in a low voice, if I remember right. Beavis was somewhat freaked out by the talking. Anyone remember the band & the song? Thanks in advance! 24.172.156.74 (talk) 06:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need more info. Lyrics, episode, etc. Something more than a vague description music video description, Doc. --Endless Dan 12:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Power of 10 game show

On the American game show Power of 10 hosted by Drew Carey there was a question: "What percentage of Americans would wrestle a muzzled and declawed bear to get their mortgage paid off?" I missed the answer and would like to know what it was. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.137.18.51 (talk) 11:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC) I found the answer myself. In case anyone else wants to know it's 32%. Source: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/powerof10/community/index.php?ep=15&id=5 20.137.18.51 (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joy Division and goth culture?

Were Joy Division gothic or related to gothic subculture in any way?Leif edling (talk) 14:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other then their fans getting beat up by the same groups of people, I believe they're associated with each other due to their gloomy overtones. Sorta like metal heads associating themselves with a non-metal band like Led Zeppelin. --Endless Dan 18:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-metal band like Led Zeppelin. Aw, that's cute. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it?--Endless Dan 19:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs Mankster sez she really feels for Goths in the summer, all that black clothing... then again we live in scotland and our summer was last tuesday, between 2 and 3 in the afternoon, pissed it down ever since. Perry-mankster (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well, we've got Goths in Las Vegas. Most of them have learned about air conditioning by now. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 23:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Game Boy - Game Boy Pocket

What differences there are between a standard Game Boy and a Game Boy Pocket? David Pro (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They both play the same games. Check out the article Game_Boy_Pocket. It clearly outlines all of the differences.--El aprendelenguas (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DC and the Crisis crisis

Hello, I like to read comics, but only in trade-paperback form, I dont like to collect individual issues. I want to catch up on the Infinite Crisis storyline that DC have had going for a few years, and I would like to know, which TPBs are in print that I can get? And which other ones do I need to look out for?

At the moment I have Identity Crisis, The Omac Project, Day of Vengeance, Villians United, Rann-Thanagar War, and the Prelude to Infinite Crisis.

Ta 80.229.160.127 (talk) 20:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Galaxy

In Super Mario Galaxy I have earned 60 stars meaning I can go to the cener of the universe and fight Bowser. However I would like to unlock Luigi. Do I have to beat Bowser with 120 stars or can I beat Bowser now and get the stars and Luigi later?--76.176.122.19 (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have to beat Bowser with 120 stars to get Luigi. You can beat Bowser now, or wait until later. I'm not sure if you have to beat Bowser to get the purple star coin to appear, in which case you'll have to beat the final Boswer twice. Hope that covers it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shipsonfire (talk • contribs) 23:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Telenovelas filmed in Florida

According to Film in Florida, how many Spanish language telenovelas would be filmed in Florida? Ericthebrainiac (talk) 22:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If youn want to know an answer "according to the article", the best solution is to read the article. Grutness...wha? 00:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 15

Wii Bowling

On the Wii bowling for the game Wii Sports, how does the scoring work to reach Pro? I know you must reach 1000, but how does it score the total. I ask because I have gotten 150 and my score goes up 22 but then I will get a 172ish and my score total will go down. What gives? Thanks, The Reader who Writes (talk) 06:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It keeps a floating average of your recent performance. The higher your game score above that average the more points you get towards the pro level. - X201 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song in The Hunt for Red October

During the opening-credits sequence of The Hunt for Red October, there is a song with lyrics in Russian. At one point there is a word that is clearly the word for "revolution" or some variant of it, but as an English-speaker that's the only word I can recognize in it. It is not the Soviet (now Russian) national anthem, which is sung later in the movie. Does anyone know what it is? --Anonymous, 16:25 UTC, August 15, 2008.

It's called "Hymn to Red October", and it's original soundtrack material by Basil Poledouris. A good writeup on the Red October soundtrack: [3]. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And a link to the lyrics in Russian and English, too. Thanks! --Anonymous, 06:17 UTC, August 16, 2008.

Actress should be on Wikipedia

Hi there, I just went to go see Actress (this is their band name) play in LA last night. They were amazing and packed the place. I came onto Wikipedia to find out more info on them (as this is my favorite site) and found zero information on the band. They don't appear to be on your website at all. I had to resort to myspace for all the info. I prefer wikipedia because it goes in depth and can contain lots of cool facts. I came up short and am very disapointed. I'm requesting that this band be added and some facts get posted on wiki. Thank you.

Carla

p.s. if you need their website, they're at www.actressmusic.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.244.52 (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone will demonstrate and reference Actress's notability and will (re-)write the article. It got deleted three times so far (deletion log). You might have more luck posting your request at Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music/Performers_and_bands, by the way. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

Two related related cricketer and actor questions

Hi all - two questions related to cricket and acting:

1) Is Guernsey and former Hampshire cricketer Lee Savident the son of former Coronation Street actor John Savident? I know they're both from Guernsey, so chances are high that they're at least related.

2) What other cases are there of first-class cricketers who are sons of popular actors? I known of Jim Troughton, son of David and grandson of Dr. Who, but presumably there must be others...

Thanks in advance, Grutness...wha? 00:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite in the "ball park" (not by a long shot, actually), but Betty Archdale was the sister of the actor Alexander Archdale. -- JackofOz (talk) 01:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the right sport, but not the right relationship: Martin and Jeff Crowe are Russell Crowe's cousins. Gwinva (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most recent former Olympic discipline

Does anyone know which Olympic discipline (thinking of summer now, but winter interests me too, while we're at it) was most recently removed from the Olympics? Tug of war hasn't been part of the Olympics since 1920, for example, but I'm interested in the most recent former contest. Anyone know? ---Sluzzelin talk 02:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, polo. Zagalejo^^^ 02:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, here's a source: [4]. Baseball and softball will be discontinued in 2012. Zagalejo^^^ 02:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks for that surprising news, Zagalejo. After over 70 years of constant growth with no losses whatsoever, the committee is dumping baseball and softball for being "too American"? Tell that to the Cubans, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, South Koreans, and Australians (who have all won medals in these disciplines). ---Sluzzelin talk 02:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the comments further up this page - it's not that it's "too American", it's more that it's only played at a competitive level in a small number of countries - there's virtually no competitive baseball in either Europe, Africa, or western Asia, to start with - that cuts out about half the countries in the Olympics straight off. Grutness...wha? 00:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which makes me wonder why they included these sports in the first place. Were they assuming they would spread to more countries? -- JackofOz (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a constant struggle in international sport to get included on the Olympic Games program. There are limited numbers of spots for athletes; sports in the Games want to increase their representation, adding events and disciplines (where applicable) and sports not in the Games want to get in. When baseball was first included, it probably was widespread enough to make the cut; since then other sports may have overtaken it and been successful in applying for a position and others will have made a successful application for more positions. (For example, BMX racing was added for Beijing; women's Boxing will debut in London.) While the heavyweights like athletics, swimming, and football are all pretty safe, sports on the bubble - those with limited global reach or those which are less popular for spectators - need to continue to expand or risk being overtaken. - Eron^Talk 22:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Getting back to the original question, it all depends what you mean by "discipline" - Polo is the sport which was ditched most recently, but individual events within specific sports have been dumped far more recently - the pentathlon in 1980, for instance. Grutness...wha? 23:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picard face in hand

There is a famous image of Captain Picard with his face buried in the palm of his hand; see for example http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=picard+facepalm. Anyone remembers the exact context? --OKMNJIUHB (talk) 03:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very curious as well, but I'm sure he's done it more than once. --Kjoonlee 07:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be the episode “Déjà Q”, based on footage found on Youtube (search terms mortal q). --Cinematical (talk) 01:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guitar Hero I Bonus Song

The last bonus song on Guitar Hero I is called "Story Of My Love" by the band The Model Sons. I can't find any information on them, does anyone know their story? Or if they have other music? --MrE1 (talk) 04:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They seem to be quite a minor/upcoming band. They have a myspace page. Fribbler (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lin Miaoke

What do you think she feels right now from the scandal about the Olympic lip-synch? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medal ceremony instrumental

Is there a name for the instrumental played at the medal ceremonies for the Olympics? —Kal ^(talk) 09:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The music played during the medal (or "Victory") ceremony is the national anthem of the Gold Medal winner, performed by the Bejing Symphony Orchestra. The orchestra apparently recorded 205 national anthems (and 2 additional for nations in the International Paralympic Committee) over the course of the past 2 years. They also have specific music to perform while the athletes walk to the podium, when their results are announced, and to play while they exit the venue. Those pieces were composed specially for the olympics, per the official Olympic blog here. An article on the recording of the pieces is here. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 20:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length of Metallica concert

hey, i don't really know how this works but I was wondering if anybody knew how long a Metallica concert goes on for?! I have no idea and need to figure out how I'm getting home so this would be a great help. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blowick (talk • contribs) 10:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for the most part, that depends on how long Metallica wants to play in the first place, how many encores they do and stuff like that. There's no way to tell in advance, really. If it was me, I'd probably assume that they'll play for a couple of hours (and looking at reports from the previous gigs in the tour might give me a better idea of the length than that), plus at least a half an hour for the opening act, and of course, you can always count on a concert to start at least fifteen minutes late. So, you know, round it up to three hours. I'd be kind of confident with that. But really, there's just no way to know for sure. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Album booklets

Where can download booklets of music albums? David Pro (talk) 14:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics medals tables

Do we have an expanded "Olympics medals table" that lists what the medals are as well as how many there are? EG

Mylandia Gold=3 [Snail racing 10m; Snail racing 20m; Pogo stick high jump]
Silver=2 [Underwater poetry recital; paper dart throwing]
bronze=2 [Paper dart medley; stone skipping on water]
etc etc

-- SGBailey (talk) 15:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are tables of current and discontinued sports in Olympic Sports. All award/awarded gold, silver and bronze medals AFAIK, though there are instances where multiple golds, etc. were given out. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a New York Times link (login probably needed) that shows the number of medals awarded by country for each Olympiad. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't what I was asking - although the info is useful to know - thanks. What I was wondering was if we had a page that provided the same information as 2008 Summer Olympics medal table but additionally listed what each medal was, thus "1 China (CHN) 27 13 7 47" would expand to "1 China (CHN) 27= (Gold event 1, Gold event 2, ..., Gold event 27) 13=(Silver event 1, ..., Silver event 13) 7=(Bronze event 1, ..., Bronze event 7) 47". From your reply above I'm asssuming we don't have such a page. Cheers -- SGBailey (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See User:SGBailey/Sandbox (which being a sandbox may well chnage in a while...) for the start of what I mean - I've added the archery to the medal table as of today. -- SGBailey (talk) 20:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, but you can check the performance of individual countries (e.g. Canada at the 2008 Summer Olympics), and that should show a breakdown of the medal count. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 21:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BBC news] have an interactive medal table, where you can click to see in which events all the medals have been won. Gwinva (talk) 22:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beau Bridges TV mini-series

Some years back, there was a Summer mini-series on TV in which Beau Bridges played a George Wallace-like Southern Governor with a Weeki Wachee-like swim-dancing wife. What was the NAME of that TV mini-series, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by T lX$W7x05h^ (talk • contribs) 16:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bond, James Bond

Who authored this line, Ian Fleming or a screenwriter? Clarityfiend (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it is not present in the books, but first appears in the film of Dr. No, where Bond is mimicking the way a woman (I think Sylvia Trench) has just introduced herself to him. Algebraist 17:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that's wrong. The phrase goes back to Fleming's first James Bond novel, Casino Royale (1953). --Anonymous, 03:47 UTC, August 17, 2008.

If you want to confirm this, do an Advanced Search in Google Books, specifying the book's title and the phrase. In the edition they have, it appears on page 44. --Anonymous, exactly 24 hours later.

D'oh, memory fails again. Thanks. Algebraist 04:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Soooo, tell us Algebraist, now that your attempt at disinformation has failed, who do you work for? SMERSH or SPECTRE? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't really believe they're separate, do you? I work for the men behind them both. Algebraist 11:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though the phrase has become a cliché in the films, I think it would have been a fairly normal and natural way for a man like Bond to introduce himself at the time of the novel, when being on first-name terms with someone was less common and took a while to achieve. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 07:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Miguel

Which Luis Miguel albums have produced by himself? David Pro (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David, this is another example of a question of yours that could easily be answered by reading the article about the subject. The discography section of the Luis Miguel article details who the producer for his various albums has been. Dismas|^(talk) 07:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Max Payne Movie Trailer

Does anybody know the song that plays in the trailer of max payne? please respond in my talk page or here. thank you. Neon6419 (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC) (question moved from Wikipedia talk:Reference desk - Eron^Talk 19:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

This question was asked on IMDb. Apparently it's Marilyn Manson's 'If I was your vampire'. Algebraist 19:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AFA

I watched Argentina play the Netherlands in football/soccer in the Olympics, and I noticed that all the Argentine players, coaches, and even trainers had the AFA logos removed from their jerseys and polo shirts. Why? Is it some kind of Olympic rule? Thanks!--El aprendelenguas (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the IOC state that the only logo's that can appear on a shirt are those of the shirt maker (and only a small one) and an indication of the nation the wearer is representing. They do not allow a logo of an Association, Confederation or Club that the competitor represents. Brazil removed their CBF logo after the games had begun, the USA taped over theirs and the Nigerians replaced the NFA logo with their national Coat of Arms. Nanonic (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And just in case you were wondering, the exact rule is - "No form of publicity or propaganda, commercial or otherwise, may appear on persons, on sportswear, accessories or, more generally, on any article of clothing or equipment whatsoever worn or used by the athletes or other participants in the Olympic Games, except for the identification of the manufacturer of the article or equipment concerned, provided that such identification shall not be marked conspicuously for advertising purposes." FIFA - Games of the XXIX Olympiad Beijing Appendix A "bye-law to rule 53 of the Olympic Charter" (page 47) Nanonic (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bert weedon guitarist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.14.143 (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking about THE AFA, right?Avnas Ishtaroth _{drop me a line} 01:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, we're talking about the AFA. Nanonic (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 17

Wii

Why was the Wii released in North America before Japan? After all, all of the other Nintendo consoles were released in Japan first. Les Games (talk) 04:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know this for a fact, but it probably had a lot to do with making the console available for Thanksgiving, which is traditionally associated with a pretty ferocious shopping day in the States. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 10:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic winners

Do Olympic winners get something else other then medals, from the Olympic committee? Thanks--Shahab (talk) 07:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think they get anything else from the IOC, but the national Olympic committees, or if it's their governments i guess, might give them what ever they want — chan dler — 07:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting question as I would think they should get some sort of certificate as formal proof that the medal is theirs, since their name doesn't appear on the medal itself. Otherwise what solid evidence do they have that they are entitled to the medal?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect they get their details logged in official-records, and perhaps a certificate too. Do their medals get engraved? Also I know a lot of sponsors give away things to home-nation medal winners such as a car-company giving them a free car if they get gold (that way they get a bit more advertising and at a cheap cost) or things like that. ny156uk (talk) 10:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The top eight finishers in every event receive a diploma marking their achievement. In addition, the top three receive medals. (See The Modern Olympic Games, page 11.) The Organizing Committee establishes a Roll of Honour listing all diploma and medal recipients, and the names of all medal winners are permanently displayed at the main Olympic stadium. (See The Olympic Charter, Article 58.) - Eron^Talk 21:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update - Transatlantic sailing record.

How can a new important sailing record be included in your pages ? I think this should be included - should a new page be created for Thomas Colville ?

Thomas Coville, a French single handed sailor has recently broken the broken the single handed record for crossing the Atlantic. He left Nantucket on the 9th July 08 and croosed the virtual finish line on the 15th July. The single handed sailor and his 32 meter Maxi-trimaran "Sodeb'o" took 5days 19hours 29minutes 20seconds to sail 2987 nauticl miles at an average speed of 20.87 knots. These facts can be verified on page 58 of "Voiles et Voiliers" No 451 September 2008 www.voilesetvoiliers.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidwood62 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have a point, there should be an article on Thomas Coville (note the correct spelling of his surname; you inserted an extra L). There already exists an article in fr wiki (fr:Thomas Coville). His record has not yet been ratified by the World Sailing Speed Record Council [5] so I suppose that is why this record is not yet listed in our article Single-handed sailing#Single-handed records but you can raise it on the Talk page of that article. Plenty of English-language references from searching Google; for example: [6] [7]. --Cinematical (talk) 02:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"LOLA", a song or lyric within a song.

does wikipedia have forums where members discuss what they want to know? is it o.k. to ask for information here?

i am looking for a song which may or may not be titled "lola', but has the term within the song..

NOTE: this is not the song by "the kinks";

     this is not the song by "superbus";
     this is not the song by "dana international";
     this is not the song in the musical "damn yankees".

this is a song possibly from the 30s or 40s.. it is mostly an instrumental, but has the one lyric "lola", that i know of.. i have not found this song anywhere, nor have i even heard it all the way thru, just once.. it is (at least partially) on a comedy album by the smothers' brothers, from the 60s ("curb your tongue, knave!").. the music sounds like a violin is being plucked, one note at a time in an upbeat tempo, followed by a singer saying, "lola".. this is all i know.. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Remoat (talk • contribs) 09:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If my memory of more-than-40-year-old Smothers Brothers routines is reliable, I believe the song you are thinking of is the old standard "Nola" (1915). We don't have an article on it, apparently, but you can hear the music and read the full lyrics by clicking on the appropriate links in the first entry here. Deor (talk) 13:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I now see that we do have an article about the piece's composer, Felix Arndt, which links to the same site I directed you to above. Deor (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from REMOAT THANK YOU, THANK YOU.. this is what i was looking for.. i hope i can find a source for downloading it.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Remoat (talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help with unknown film

I recently saw a gay themed filmed which I can't remember the title of. It was about two brothers who stay up in a mountain lodge retreat. One of the brothers has been corresponding with a prison inmate who later shows up at the place with another ex-convict. The two ex-cons have come to collect their stashed cash but unknown to one of the brothers, one of the prisoners was communicating on the others behalf. It ends up with a couple (I think) of deaths. Anyone with any ideas? Thanks Kirk uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.82.79.175 (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James Bond

Which James Bond films have the most deaths featured in a Bond film? David Pro (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My guess would be Moonraker with the big space battle at the end of the film. - X201 (talk) 15:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of Bond movies where Bond escapes from the villain's lair just before it is destroyed, and without knowing how many people Blofeld (or whoever) had working for him that's hard to calculate. If you want to know about on-screen deaths I suggest a happy couple of days with a complete Bond DVD collection and a freeze-frame DVD player. Let us know what you find. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Getting an Official Site back on the bands page and unblacklisted

To the powers that be-

My name is Brian Gray, I am the webmaster for the Official Green Day Fan Site at www.GreenDay dot net (apparently the URL is blacklisted.)

I have run the site for the band for almost 10 years, and they constantly keep in communication with updates, journals, and family pictures.. I had posted a link to our site on the "Green Day" page - EXTERNAL LINKS in the past, but some jokesters repeatedly took it down saying "no fan sites."

GreenDay dot net is the OFFICIAL FAN SITE, with constant updates from the 3 band members themselves and their familys, to ban the site is ridiculous. Now I find out the entire URL is blacklisted and I can't even type it in this letter. Can someone help?

thanks in advance

Brian Gray www.GreenDay dot net —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iheartjimmy (talk • contribs) 15:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a page for general-knowledge questions. You need to go to MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals. Deor (talk) 16:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bo Jackson baseball card

How much is a 1990 Ace Novelty Co. MLB Bo Jackson collector pin series baseball card and pin worth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbsk1234 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a source but based on my personal history with collecting, my answer would be "probably not much". 1990 was not his rookie year, so that removes some value. The Ace Novelty Company is not a popular brand, in fact I've never heard of it, so the price that someone is willing to pay normally goes down because of this. There are only a few major companies and these would have values printed in any of the popular price guides such as Beckett Baseball Card Monthly. There are many smaller companies that print various items, such as your pin, that don't get listed in these guides. Therefore, people don't really have a good guide to go by when buying/selling them. Plus, they were likely made in such small quantities that it would be hard to find out what people are selling/buying them for. So, in short, it's worth what you can get for it. Dismas|^(talk) 21:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the person that has the most gold olympcs medals in the same sport?

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I want to know the person that has the most number of medals in a sport, with sport i mean just 50 metre freestyle swimmin or just 200 metre butterfly. You would problaby say michael phelps but he has many gold medals because he have gold medals in may swimming sports like 4×100 m medley relay, 4×200 m freestyle relay, 4×100 m freestyle relay.... and those are not the same sport at least in my question. Another example in that my question womans single tennis. and womans double tennis would be a different sport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.239.4 (talk) 21:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an answer for you but it sounds like you're looking for the most medals in a single event. A sport may cover many events. Dismas|^(talk) 21:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of multiple Olympic gold medalists reveals that the answer is Aladár Gerevich, with six golds in the team sabre event. Algebraist 21:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)This handy list shows individuals who have won multiple medals in a single event (Some of them appear to actually be multiple event winners, but never mind that for now). Top of the list is Hungarian fencer Aladár Gerevich, who won six Gold medals in the sabre team event between 1932 and 1960. - Eron^Talk 22:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That table was a horrible mess. It's now in line with the athlete's articles. Algebraist 00:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, i missed those articles, before asking i even tried to find them by searching some things like medal, and gold medal, but didint find, but now thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.239.4 (talk) 00:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball appeal play scoring

In baseball, what is the batter credited with statistically if he hits a home run but is called out on appeal for missing a base? This situation occured in a rec league baseball game I was doing stats for today and I can't find it in MLB Rule 10. The appeal was at 3rd base, so does he get a double, or no hit? If it matters, it was a solo homerun with two out, and the appeal was the 3rd out. Thanks. Bleeding Blue 21:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The batter gets credit for the last base he reached safely. In the case you describe, that would be a double. It is considered that he never reached third base as he failed to touch it. --Xuxl (talk) 12:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. the relevant section of the rule is 10.06 d, available here. --Xuxl (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bingo Night Live UK TV programme

Does Bingo Night Live have advertising breaks? I'm just wondering how it is financed if it does not have them. I have watched it briefly a few times, but I've never seen an advertising break. 78.147.24.165 (talk) 22:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never seen it but its on ITV for 60 minutes so it'll have ad breaks (I'd expect 3). I think the channel gets some money for folk phoning in in. AllanHainey (talk) 09:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Never seen it...."! If you've never seen it, then what's the point of answering the question, however clever you may be? It does not to my knowledge have any phone-ins: there were none when I watched it, there were no phone numbers shown on screen, and the article does not mention any. You may be confusing it with other similar programmes. I have never seen any advertising breaks while I watched it. I'm hoping that someone who was able to endure watching it for longer than me can provide an answer please. 78.149.219.203 (talk) 13:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen it, and my answer relates to another program which I also haven't seen - so take this reply with a pinch of salt. BingoLotto (http://www.bingolotto.tv) makes its money by selling game cards before the program - BNL may be similar. -- SGBailey (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly (and this may be wrong) Bingo Night Live operates at a loss on purpose. It was created as a way to lose the profits that ITV made from methods that resulted in the competition phone-in scandals that changed the industry recently. Nanonic (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why guitar hero is famous or selling so much if the guitar freaks (and problably others) game existed before guitar hero?

why guitar hero is famous or selling so much if the guitar freaks (and problably others) game existed before guitar hero? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.239.4 (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's because Guitar Hero focusses on the music culture and contains more popular songs that everybody knows, which is vastly different to, say, Gitaroo Man.Avnas Ishtaroth _{drop me a line} 01:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those are some of the reasons for it, sure. I mean, the number of people who want to play a classic Jimi Hendrix song is probably going to be a lot bigger than the number of people who want to play a song by some Japanese guy they've never heard of, regardless of whether the Japanese guy's song is good. Additionally, Guitar Hero was simply marketed very well; it was represented as a new cool thing, whereas games like Guitar Freaks -- even in their home console incarnations -- were pretty much curiosities that were rarely spoken of, and even the peripheral used to play the game was often a kind of an afterthought, a bonus of sorts. Guitar Hero, by comparison, really took a stance: it declared itself to be awesome and declared its custom peripheral to be the whole point of the experience. It made no bones about being more expensive than your average game; it was a non-issue. It was easy to be convinced that you got value for your money. And, of course, it's a pretty fun game. That didn't hurt things any. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 05:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has also rose to prominenace at a time when 'interactive' (or at least physically interactive) gaming has really taken off - thanks in part to the popularisation of the Wii. I'd say it falls into the 'casual gaming' area of gaming. Having famous-tracks will help too. Often the break-through version of a technology/product isn't the first on the scene, rather the one that manages to get the mix right so as to make it mainstream. The MP3 player existed for a good while before the iPod, yet it was the iPod that made the MP3 player 'mainstream' and (in the process) made the iPod a household name. I suspect Guitar Hero is the same thing - the technology/idea existed before but it was never sold to the mainstream/integrated in the same was Guitar Hero was. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 18

What is the name of this song?

I can't seem to find the name of this song in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muibPAUvOXk&feature=related --Devourer09 (talk) 05:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What sports is Great Britain NOT competing in at this Olympics?

I'm just wondering how many events, and what type, Great Britain has chosen not to, or been unable to find a competitor for at this Olympics Can someone point me in the direction of a simple list, or even a complete list of Olympic events as I can probably get the list of events that they are competing in from the team GB website. Also anyone direct me to an article on the entry criteria for the Olympics, can't find anything from the search. Thanks AllanHainey (talk) 07:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics.

195.218.15.112 (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Baseball, Basketball, Football, Handball, Softball, Table tennis, Volleyball, and Wrestling. Rmhermen (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those are the sports the UK isn't participating in, but there are also events it's not involved in in other sports, the men's doubles badminton for example. Algebraist 13:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the stories are pretty interesting. A UK football team, for example, has been a point of great contention -- see United Kingdom national football team. The UK team simply couldn't afford to make the trip to the final qualifiers in baseball. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 14:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For entry requirements, each international federation sets their own qualification rules for the Olympics. I don't know if the IOC publishes these in one place or not - I haven't been able to find it. You can find the rules for each individual sport on the relevant IFs web site. - Eron^Talk 14:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth noting that has chosen not to, or been unable to find a competitor for in the original question omits the case failed to qualify for, which may be the case in some of the team sports. The GB team has a special situation since Eng/Wal/Sco/NI teams may be the ones competing in competitions that double as Olympic qualifiers, but the fact that there isn't a team in Beijing does not mean that there was never one that tried to get there. It does seem that the Great Britain national basketball team is such a case./Coffeeshivers (talk) 15:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Names of actors/actresses wanted

Please, could anybody tell me the names of the actors/actresses appearing in these spots for the IFC here and here. The ones I know: Jena Malone, Jason Schwartzman, Rosanna Arquette, Christian Slater, Anne Heche. 195.218.15.112 (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw Eric Roberts and Laura San Giacomo in the first one. --Elliskev 01:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First one also has Kevin Corrigan, Leon Robinson, and Kip Pardue. Second one has Judah Friedlander. --Joelmills (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keirin Relegated

In Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's Keirin certain competitors are listed as being relegated. Elsewhere I understood that to mean that in the next round, the player relegated played in a lower division. How can you be relegated from an opening heat? What does it mean here? -- SGBailey (talk) 13:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to this, to be relegated is to be punished for an infringement by being placed last. It differs from disqualification in that the rider is still in the event and can (in the case of the Keirin) take part in the Repechage. Algebraist 13:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I added a footnote to this effect. -- SGBailey (talk) 15:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All-ages equivalent to Second Life

I'm intrigued by the concept of Second Life but put off by its 18-and-over nature (with a separate kiddie world for those 13-17). Is there a virtual world type thing that approximates Second Life in its breadth and degree of interactivity but is all ages (or rather 13+)? -- 192.206.151.130 (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Habbo Hotel? PlanetSide....um...World Of Warcraft. However, I suggest you ask your kids what they want to play. --mboverload @ 15:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any kids; I'm talking about myself. (I'm a little over 18 but as a youth rights supporter am uncomfortable in age-restricted environments.) I'm interested in something like Second Life but without the age restriction. -- 192.206.151.130 (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is really nothing comparable to Second Life out there. It's a pretty unique environment both in terms of size and complexity. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

query about ext link

Hi there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Party_(band)

I was on this link as they were like a band I loved as a kid.. I was on as I would like to buy their albums, however they no longer seem available. However, at the end of the Wikipedia page there is an External Links page with MP3s.... is it legal for me to download these as I NEVER download illegally as I consider it stealing, could you let me know?

Thanks

Samantha Bailie

[email address redacted] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.216.228 (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The two external links are from TV.com and IMDB. I couldn't find any songs available for download in them. Where did you find it? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page history shows that a link to a site called 50megs.com was removed recently. That site seems to be for personal web pages. I can't be sure, but I'd guess that any MP3s hosted there were not legit. --LarryMac | Talk 18:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I saw [[Eric Roberts]] and [[Laura San Giacomo]] in the first one. --[[User talk:Elliskev|Elliskev]] 01:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
+:First one also has [[Kevin Corrigan]], [[Leon Robinson]], and [[Kip Pardue]].  Second one has [[Judah Friedlander]].  --[[User:Joelmills|Joelmills]] ([[User talk:Joelmills|talk]]) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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