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Possible non-mainspace TFA

Would it be possible to include a piece of Wikipedia history, in this case WP:UuU, on the Main Page, either on January 15th (Wikipedia's anniversary) or January 16th (the UuU edit's anniversary)? Although this is more niche due to the fact that it's no longer Wikipedia's oldest edit, it is still an interesting piece of Wikipedian history. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I guess there are a couple of questions here ... whether that page will appear on the Main Page in some form, and whether we're going to kick the January 15 TFA off the Main Page to make room for it. I'm guessing whoever has the Jan 15 TFA wouldn't be happy about that. If you want it to appear somewhere in some form, Talk:Main Page would probably be the right place to talk about it. - Dank (push to talk) 21:47, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

It would probably take a RfC to fill the TFA space with something else. While we can do things like run multiple FAs in one blurb, we don't have the authority to run something other than a FA. Wehwalt (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

So it's not a TFA, doesn't describe the actual the oldest edit, not an article, and not a 'round' anniversary? Personally, I don't think it's worthy enough to break the rules. Stephen 22:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

It sounds to me like something that should be brought to the attention of WP:OTD for their consideration. Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I agree that this is a good idea. There's a place for obscure in jokes that even most wikipedians aren't going to understand, but I don't think that place is the TFA slot. Hog Farm _Talk 23:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

In my view, WP:UuU isn't a suitable candidate for TFA. Schwede66 08:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 08:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

A misleading image formerly in a FA

I would like to ask editors with experience in TFA to look at WP:HD#Misleading image formerly used for illustrating a FA (more specifically, TSventon's reply). (Edit: archived here.) Thank you. Janhrach (talk) 14:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

The image appears in (at most): Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 17, 2023, Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 2023 (by transclusion from the first link), and a page in FAC-space. After an article has run at WP:Today's featured article on the Main Page, these pages serve as archive pages only. I don't have any preference on how people treat images in archive pages, as long as there's some reasonable consistency. - Dank (push to talk) 14:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Dank, the image has been identified as misleading on the article talk page and Janhrach has requested deletion. A Commons editor has argued that the image should be kept as it is used in Wikipedia. What is best for TFA? Possible options include keeping the image as a record of what appeared on TFA, removing the image from the archive as poor quality and deleting the image and leaving a red link in the archive pages. I presume that this doesn't happen often as poor images will usually be identified during the FA process. TSventon (talk) 15:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Again: I don't have any preference on how people treat images in archive pages, as long as there's some reasonable consistency. Since they're archive pages, it's not a burning issue for me; readers won't usually see these pages. - Dank (push to talk) 15:24, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Like Dank, I'm concerned about the precedent. I would suggest continuing with the deletion discussion and explaining that the image is only in use in an archival page. That should be the first resort. If it is deleted, it wouldn't be the first time an image used in a TFA was later deleted. If it isn't deleted, then we can look at it again.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

My opinion is that we should disregard "the" precedent (if any) and we should instead try to build a consesus and make the outcome visible on some TFA-related page afterwards.

As for my opinion on image removal, I think we should not modify the archives, as archives generally should not be modified for purely aesthetic reasons. Another argument is that if we keep an image redlink in the archive, it is obvious that the image was deleted for some reason. On the other hand, if the redlink is removed, the past presence of an image is not obvious at all – information is concealed. Janhrach (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

There does not seem much opposition to my proposal, so it is time to move into more specific matters.

As far as I know, the only policy mentioning file redlinks is WP:RED, but its phrasing makes it irrelevant here – it refers to redlinks in articles or creating redlinks. What is of concern is however CAT:MISSFILE. Janhrach (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Today I remembered that CommonsDelinker exists, which means that there is a strong precedent for removal of image redlinks, so I withdraw this proposal. Janhrach (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

Here's a hypothetical question (and I'd prefer hypothetical answers rather than dragging any particular editor into this). If a person who hasn't been involved with or even discussed a particular article nominates that article at TFA-pending (for one of the months I'll be scheduling), and the FAC nominator(s) would prefer to put off a TFA appearance until some time in the future when it's less likely to generate heated reactions, is this a situation where I'm allowed to remove the nomination from TFAP (with an apology and an explanation)? I don't mind if they nominate the article at the proper time at the requests page ... that's not my call ... but I'm not really comfortable with the TFA-pending page being used this way, since it's not built to facilitate discussion. - Dank (push to talk) 20:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I see no reason why the scheduling TFA coord can't remove nominations here they don't think should be selected for TFA without a discussion nomination, and the articles can then be sent over to the main requests page if desired. Both entries added in this diff by Sheila1988 are bad ideas in my opinion; the Columbine one is at WP:TFANO for a reason (we probably need a WP:TFANEVER for stuff like that one and Jihad (song) that aren't suitable to run at TFA until the world is different). I also don't see the wisdom of running an article describing a satire of Trump on a day meant to correlated with the Republican National Convention; at least in my opinion we should not be running hooks directly related to an active political cycle or election during the hottest part of the election unless we're going to like we did on US election day in '08 and run a split TFA of standard biographies of both major candidates. A better choice for the RNC date, if we're going to run something for that, would be to rerun 1880 Republican National Convention after a content re-review (since it's from 2007). Hog Farm _Talk 00:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

As one of the people who helped bring the Trump satire to FA (albeit a long while ago) and objected to running that article, I agree that the 1880 RNC article is a far better fit for that date, assuming it's been re-reviewed. I do not see the pressing need to run the Trump satire page on TFA, at least not within the next year or so, but it would be better to hold off on that until Trump is out of politics, which I don't see happening in his lifetime. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm with Hog Farm (on both). In general, your job is to ... do what you have to do to keep things working optimally, and that means to keep FA writers wanting to keep writing FAs rather than see their work used on the main page in ways that make them want to give up. And make the ERRORS people scream. When you see a bad choice, use your Coord discretion and remove it. If someone screams about a Coord decision, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

FWIW Dan, I trust you specifically to make good decisions about such things and keep TFA operating as well as possible. If there is a consensus on TFANO, then I think that should stand indefinitely until a consensus arises that it is ok to run that article as TFA. And that consensus would have to result from an actual nomination of the article for the specific date and subsequent discussion, not via listing it at TFAP. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Kind of you to say that, and your suggestion does make sense. - Dank (push to talk) 02:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I would have no problem with any of my suggestions being removed by someone else - they're only suggestions, i'm not going to be offended if they're ignored or deleted. However I still think "Donald Trump" is a good choice for a topical article. Sheila1988 (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Missing letters

For Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 22, 2023, click the map of Antarctica, just once not twice. The left and right sides of the map (east and west are confusing in Antarctica) are both labeled "SOUTH RN OCEAN". The E is missing. Similarly, the Antarctic Peninsula is labeled as "ANTARCTI ENI SU A", missing 4 letters. The top of the map says "K NG H ON VI HA " but "KONG HÂKON VII HAV" was intended (I'm not sure about the  special character).

Now click the map again. You're now in + mode, and the missing letters are no longer missing.

I tried this on two computers, one Windows 11 and one Windows 10. Microsoft Edge. Same results. Art LaPella (talk) 07:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The problem doesn't happen when I switch to Google Chrome. Art LaPella (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm on Chrome and it happens for me. Stephen 07:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's strange. It will be an svg rendering issue for the preview version, as the full version is complete and crisp. I have no idea where to flag it, WP:VPT perhaps? Stephen 07:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

When I open the svg on mobile Chrome, the issue appears. Browsing through the revisions, I found that the issue was introduced in the third version of the file. Could anybody reproduce this? Janhrach (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Note: I misunderstood this thread, but the actual svg (not the pre-rendered png version) displays wrongly, as I said. Janhrach (talk) 09:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

oh, wow, that's strange, Art LaPella. nice catch. i was wondering if it was just a one-time error when the png preview file was created, so i purged the preview files (by clicking the button on ), and it looks like that fixed the issue for me. please let me know if the error is still there for you. note that you may have to clear your own local cache of the file for the new png preview file to appear. dying (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, purging on commons and then forcing a browser page refresh on en.wiki has fixed it for me, thanks dying. Stephen 10:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Art LaPella (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)