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==April 2009 Roll Call==
== Need help gathering information on two images ==
* [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 19:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
* &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 23:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
* --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 02:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 14:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 20:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Sjones23|Sjones23]] ([[User talk:Sjones23|talk]] - [[User contributions:Sjones23|contributions]]) 16:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


== Final Fantasy IV FA status ==
*[http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AmanoTifa.jpg This for Tifa]
*[http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Kefka2.jpg This for Kefka]


FYI- [[Final Fantasy IV]] is in need of some maintenance or it could very easily be taken to FAR. The article falls under 4 cleanup categories, some of which have been dated for a while.
I found these and need some information behind them. Do they appear in any artbooks, or have any notes that could be cited in respective articles for the characters?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 07:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
*Articles with unsourced statements (Aug 2008)
*Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention (Oct 2008)
*Articles to be expanded (Jan 2009)
*Articles with dead external links (Mar 2009)


At the very least, fixing the plot summary and dead links should buy it some more time, and are probably the least daunting of the list. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 21:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC))
==Disappointed==
:Dead link now resolved. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 23:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
What happened? There are rambling plot summaries and de-featured articles everywhere, and not all of it is because the "perfect sources only, please" police are on the prowl. Are there any FF project regulars left? Is there a gameplan? Or are there simply not enough sources to justify even trying anymore? Is a reboot of all non-essential articles necessary? &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 18:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty active, though working to get the Advent Files, as to imrove [[Last Order: Final Fantasy VII]] and [[Characters of Final Fantasy VII]]. After that, it's improving [[Vincent Valentine]] and [[Zack Fair]]. And, according to his page, [[User:The Prince of Darkness]] is working to get [[Final Fantasy VII Advent Children]], [[Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)]], and [[Hitoshi Sakimoto]] to GA. And it's not only us; there is a handful of people who may not appear to be active, but are monitoring some articles and improving others. Right now, it's just that many people are in college/school and have other things to worry about. During the summer, the project becomes more active again. As for articles be delisted as GAs and FAs, could you point me to some? Many follow guidelines set in place awhile ago, which is why they were being delisted--they aren't up to par with today's quality. However, maybe I could improve some...[[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 21:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:As WhiteArcticWolf said, I'm currently working on some articles for GA, also including [[Final Fantasy (video game)]], which I believe is ready. I won't be able to contribute very actively because I'm in my last year of high school and I kinda need to take things seriously. However, I plan on working extensively on the games that I've played (FFVIII and FFIX) to make sure they are of decent quality and worthy of FA/GA status; FFVII and FFX have been taken care of. Other than WhiteArcticWolf, PresN, and me, members of the project don't seem to be active anymore. BTW, I'm not actually a member, I only like editing FF articles. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 22:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::The FFVIII topic is pretty much fine except for that supposedly questionable source, but I'm sure FFIX's subarticles need work. FFVIII was the benchmark topic for works on fiction for 2+ years, and I'm sure it still is up there. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 03:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm poking at [[Tifa Lockhart]] and considering a Kefka article if I can find more sources. I haven't gone full swing on either though because I've already got three unrelated articles up for GAN I'm waiting to hear about.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 03:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm alive (barely)- school was kicking my ass (last year of college), and I've been working all winter break, but I'm trying to gear up to take Discography of FF7 to FAC again. I've got [[OverClocked ReMix]] at GAN right now, which I'm hoping will get me in the mood to take Music of Final Fantasy to GA completing the GoodTopic. If I'm still going at that point, I'll move to DiscofFF12, which should have some more "reliable" sources, as I'm going to have to fight tooth and nail to get RPGFan allowed at FAC. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 15:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


==Final Fantasy FAR notification==
===Section break: proposal/ideas===
{{#if:|[[User:{{{2}}}]] has|I have}} nominated [[Final Fantasy]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Final Fantasy|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. -- [[User:AnmaFinotera|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>AnmaFinotera</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 06:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Always good to see at least a few people involved. I don't know if you guys recognize me (many of you are fairly new), but feel free to take a look at my [[User:Deckiller|userpage]] for my history with the project. In the past (and it feels like a lifetime ago), I specialized in three areas: fiction articles, admin duties, and copy-editing. I think there is still potential for a major activity surge; if we start now, we can repair the foundation upon which the influx of summer editors will be able to build. Foundations start from the bottom, and in our case, that would be the general sub-articles. If we can get the borderline notable articles in the project to Good Article status (or merge until we can attain that status), then we can ride that momentum into repairing the major articles &mdash; and by that point, the summer editors will be here to assist, and teams can begin working on bringing the main articles back to their prime.


== Merger discussion ==
What do I mean by "borderline articles"? I'm referring mostly to articles that require the "[[WP:FICT|three-pronged test]]" for notability: the elements within the fictional works, such as the character, setting, and gameplay articles ''not yet of decent quality''. Most of the merges were done in 2006 and 2007; everything has been organized and outlined, leaving us with the task of improving the quality of the material.
I think the team aspect remains the best way of editing. For instance, PresN is excellent with everything related to the audio aspects, while my specialty is overall tweaking/copy-editing/trimming/managing. I'm sure others are into finding sources or articulating the gameplay aspects (always a weakness of mine).


At [[WT:VG]], we're jumpstarting our inactive/limited-scope project initiative, which is aimed at streamlining and centralizing video game coverage on Wikipedia. I can see from the archives that a previous proposal on this subject was held in December, but there wasn't much discussion. What I'd like to do is talk with members of the FF project and determine if you're interested in becoming a task force within [[WP:VG]]. I think you're doing great work, but the scope of this project is relatively small (the main page says 158 articles). Joining WP:VG would allow us to centralize discussion on Final Fantasy articles and hopefully expose all video game articles to a wider range of editors. The Square Enix project, while larger in scope than Final Fantasy, seems to be less active and I'll be contacting them as well. The way I look at it, there are several options:
Combining these strengths allows us to divide the work into manageable units; weaknesses are covered, leading to articles that have few flaws. But I'm rambling; these are ships that can sail when the time comes. Could that time be sooner rather than later? The winds could very well be favorable enough. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 04:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


*Nothing happens. VG and FF remain as-is.
== [[Discography of the Final Fantasy VII series]] FAC ==


*FF merges with VG and becomes the Final Fantasy taskforce.
Please come by and make comments! -> [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Discography of the Final Fantasy VII series|here]].
:Please? --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 05:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::I'm a little busy ATM, but I'll get around to it ASAP. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 09:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


*FF and SE merge with VG and become the Final Fantasy taskforce.
== January 2009 Roll Call ==


*FF and SE merge with VG and become the Square Enix taskforce. This would be the best option, in my opinion—it would create an ideal taskforce, one with a large scope and hopefully many active members.
*[[User:Yellow Mage|Yellow Mage]] ([[User talk:Yellow Mage|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 09:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*--'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 17:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
*[[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 22:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
*'''<font color="red">[[User:Sjones23|Greg]]</font> <font color="blue">[[User talk:Sjones23|Jones]]</font> <font color="yellow">[[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|II]]</font>''' 01:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
*[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 01:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
*[[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 14:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
*[[User:Hibana|Hibana]] Here. 19:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Thoughts? — <small><b><span style="border:1px solid#000000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Chicago,sans-serif;"><span style="color:#000000;">[[User:Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">Levi van Tine</span>]] ([[User talk:Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">t</span>]] – [[Special:Contributions/Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">c</span>]])</span></span></b></small> 07:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
== [[Rinoa Heartilly]] delisted as GA, downgraded to C ==


==[[Wikipedia:Article alerts|Article alerts]]==
I know this won't be an incredibly popular move, but after a discussion [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Protecting redirects of merged articles|here]], I have to agree with A Man in Black and Megata Sanshiro: this isn't a GA quality article. The primary bulk is the plot section, while reception is skeletal and development feels lacking, especially in comparison to other character articles that are at GA.


This is a notice to let you know about '''''[[Wikipedia:Article alerts|Article alerts]]''''', a [[WP:BOTS|fully-automated]] subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for deletion]], [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment|Requests for comment]], [[Wikipedia:Peer review|Peer review]] and other workflows ([[Wikipedia:Article alerts#Workflows covered|full list]]). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found [[Wikipedia:Article alerts#Samples|here]].
Should point out too this has an effect readily on the FFVIII Featured Topic.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 16:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the FFVIII topic is as of today under a 3 month retention. If by 28 March Rinoa Heartilly is not back to GA, then the topic can be nominated for removal - [[User:Rst20xx|rst20xx]] ([[User talk:Rst20xx|talk]]) 19:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::I haven't read the whole discussion as it's too long for me, but I agree: the article is not of Good Article quality. I'd suggest merging it to the [[Characters of Final Fantasy VIII|characters article]] if no more real-world content can be found and inserted in the article. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 20:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


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== OK, what does the [[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]] article need for GA? ==


<small>Message sent by [[User:Addbot]] to all active wiki projects per request, Comments on the message and bot are welcome [[User_talk:Addbot|here]].</small>
I'm currently on a CC binge, and raring to help out! Tell me what needs to be done and I'll do it! Help is appreciated of course! (I tried putting this at the CC talk page, but haven't had an answer yet.)


Thanks. — [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]]&nbsp;{<sup>[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|κοντριβς]]</sub>&nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]} 09:08, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
Also, I know it's off-topic, but I might as well ask: does anyone know where to find White Silk? I'm trying to make the White Misanga, but can't find any. Apparently it can be found in Rebena Te Ra, but I've scoured the place and found none. Again, help would be appreciated. [[User:Yellow Mage|Yellow Mage]] ([[User talk:Yellow Mage|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's nice to see someone eager to help out:) For FFCC, try cutting down the in-universe stuff. Really, it just needs a plot section and character list, with the option of a setting section. The connectivity section needs to be read through and disposed of any biased statement. The development section needs major work, and should deffinately be expanded on. Expand a little bit on the reception and legacy section, or as much as you can. The sequel games won't need as much; they are covered in their own articles. Maybe just release dates, and don't put them all in one sentence. I understand that the manga may be a little difficult to find information on, but really just see if you can find release dates and a plot. Also, expand a bit on the lede; ledes don't need to be referenced, because everything written should be covered in the article. I hope this helps! Oh, and you can always get a [[Wikipedia:Peer review|peer review]] to help you. I'd like to help, but at this time I'm pretty busy with other articles and school. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 21:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:In addition to the above, the audio section needs some reworking, but don't worry about that- I'm currently working on the FFCC discography article (in addition to the DoFF7 FAC, feel free to comment at it!), so once that gets submitted to GA, I'll update this article's audio section accordingly. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 22:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


== [[Final Fantasy (video game)|''Final Fantasy'' (video game)]] attains Good Article status! ==
== February 2009 Roll Call ==


* '''<font color="red">[[User:Sjones23|Greg]]</font> <font color="blue">[[User talk:Sjones23|Jones]]</font> <font color="yellow">[[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|II]]</font>''' 15:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
And with that GA, we're now up to 50 GAs, FAs, and FLs! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 17:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 17:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
* '''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 20:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 21:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 13:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Yellow Mage|Yellow Mage]] ([[User talk:Yellow Mage|talk]]) 08:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
* <font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Umrguy42|<font color="red">umrguy</font>]][[User talk:Umrguy42|<font color="maroon">42</font>]]</font> 21:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


== Virtual Console/WiiWare ==
== [[Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series]] GAN ==


This [http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/03/final-fantasy-c.html bit of news] is probably relevant to several of this project's articles. – [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] <sup>([[User talk:Cyrus XIII|talk]])</sup> 01:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
[[Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series]] is now up for GAN! Just letting people know so that the project feels more like things are happening. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 20:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Now a GA! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 20:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


== [[Final Fantasy (video game)]] GAN ==
== Discography of the Chocobo series GAN ==


[[User:Gary King|Gary King]] has gone and nominated [[Final Fantasy (video game)]] for GA- come on out and make sure it's ready to come back into the light! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 05:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
[[Discography of the Chocobo series|Discography of the ''Chocobo'' series]] is now at GAN. It is the last "discography of" article to go for that status, and when it passes, will leave only [[Music of Final Fantasy]] remaining to complete the full FF Music GoodTopic. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 22:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:Wow! You've done some great work with those articles! Would Discographies be the first Good Topic for this project? I'm unaware if there is more. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 00:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::No, FF8 is an FT (it's in trouble though) and FF12 is a GT, though my [[Discography of Final Fantasy XII|DoFF12]] is in that last one. (I didn't do [[Discography of Final Fantasy VIII|DoFF8]], it's the only one to precede me.) --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 05:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks like FF8's FT is out of trouble for the time being; Rinoa was merged. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 02:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


== Request for assistance at [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]] ==
== Coordinators' working group ==


I've been hard at work on this article over the past few days. It's not really my domain of expertise, but I've found a few great sources that discuss common parts of the gameplay in the series. This includes the battle system, certain character classes, magic, and even modes of transport.


The last part that's proving really hard is the stuff about equipment. Yes, it's true that most games in the series have a Genji Glove. But I can't [[WP:V|verify]] that for the life of me. I'd like to verify this kind of thing without using 12 different strategy guides, if at all possible. But I wanted to see if any of you wanted to give it a shot.


Check out [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]] and see what you can do. The prose could be improved, if nothing else. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 01:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Coordinators' working group|WikiProject coordinators' working group]], an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
:If anyone finds something talking about the music over the course of the series, pass it on as well- I'm ''finally'' working on [[Music of Final Fantasy]], and I'd like more stuff to use to talk about the series as a whole, rather than just individual games. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 01:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I don't recall if there was anything specific to the Final Fantasy series, but Nobuo Uematsu was interviewed in Nintendo Power a few issues ago. —[[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 15:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


The whole...constellation of "extra" Final Fantasy articles seems to have changed in the past week, let me see if I have this right:
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; <small>Delievered by <font color="green">[[User:ShepBot|'''§hepBot''']]</font>'''&nbsp;<small>(<font color="red">[[User talk:ShepBot|Disable]]</font>)'''</small> on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


[[Common elements of Final Fantasy]] was renamed to [[Character design of Final Fantasy]], and everything in it that didn't fit was merged to [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]], which had originally split off from Common Elements back in November. Then, [[Recurring character names of Final Fantasy]] and [[Monsters of Final Fantasy]] were merged to [[Character design of Final Fantasy]]; leaving as the only side articles "Gameplay", "Character Design", "Character Classes", "Minigames", and "Music"- the ones that are listed at the bottom of the Final Fantasy series template. That all correct? --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 20:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
== March 2009 Roll Call ==
* Sounds about right. The common elemets had become a potpouri. Over the course of a few months, we pulled a few parts out. Now the plot stuff is in the main final fantasy series article. The recurring character names and moogles and chocobos ended up in an article about characters. And everything else is in gameplay. I find that when articles have clearer scope, they tend to attract less original research. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 20:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


==[[Crystal Defenders]] in our jurisdiction?==
*[[User:Yellow Mage|Yellow Mage]] ([[User talk:Yellow Mage|talk]])
* [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 11:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
We should decide. :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 19:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Ooh, that's a toughie. I'm going to go with yes- it's set in Ivalice, a world explicitly defined only in FF games, so that makes it related enough to FF to count. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 06:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
* [[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 15:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Vagrant Story is set in Ivalice too. I think Chrystal Defenders is like Kingdom Hearts; it uses assets and ideas from Final Fantasy but it's not officially Final Fantasy. [[User:Nomchan|Nomchan]] ([[User talk:Nomchan|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
* '''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 17:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's definitely FF - as it prominently uses elements of the Tactics Advance / A2 series, right down to the Job costumes for each of the races. If that's not convincing enough, consider it being under Square Enix's ''Final Fantasy Mobile'' brand. &mdash; [[User:Bluerfn|Bl]][[User talk:Bluerfn|ue]][[Special:Contributions/Bluerfn|。]] 12:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
* <font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Umrguy42|<font color="red">umrguy</font>]][[User talk:Umrguy42|<font color="maroon">42</font>]]</font> 17:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

* [[User:Amazing Steve|<font color="green">'''Amazing'''</font><font color="Black"> '''Steve'''</font>]] 00:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
== [[Final Fantasy V]] dropped from GA ==

FF5 has been delisted due to a lack of citations and a bit too detailed of a story section, meaning that currently FF2 and FF5 are our non-GA/FA main series articles. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 17:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's too bad...Not to mention, [[FFIV]] will probably be delisted from FA unless any large improvements are done. I'd like to help out, but I have a few more article to work with, three of the main ones ([[Last Order: Final Fantasy VII]], [[Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series]], and [[Zack Fair]]) being Final Fantasy-related. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== [[Music of the Final Fantasy series]] GAN ==

The keystone of the entire ''Final Fantasy'' music topic, [[Music of the Final Fantasy series]], is now at GAN. All I can say is OMG 77 REFERENCES WTF. Please drop by to copyedit if you get a chance, after 16 FFMusic articles my eyes glaze over if I see the words "Final Fantasy" and "music" in the same paragraph. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 04:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
:And now, with 86 references, it's a GA! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 03:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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April 2009 Roll Call

Final Fantasy IV FA status

FYI- Final Fantasy IV is in need of some maintenance or it could very easily be taken to FAR. The article falls under 4 cleanup categories, some of which have been dated for a while.

  • Articles with unsourced statements (Aug 2008)
  • Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention (Oct 2008)
  • Articles to be expanded (Jan 2009)
  • Articles with dead external links (Mar 2009)

At the very least, fixing the plot summary and dead links should buy it some more time, and are probably the least daunting of the list. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

Dead link now resolved. --PresN 23:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy FAR notification

I have nominated Final Fantasy for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Merger discussion

At WT:VG, we're jumpstarting our inactive/limited-scope project initiative, which is aimed at streamlining and centralizing video game coverage on Wikipedia. I can see from the archives that a previous proposal on this subject was held in December, but there wasn't much discussion. What I'd like to do is talk with members of the FF project and determine if you're interested in becoming a task force within WP:VG. I think you're doing great work, but the scope of this project is relatively small (the main page says 158 articles). Joining WP:VG would allow us to centralize discussion on Final Fantasy articles and hopefully expose all video game articles to a wider range of editors. The Square Enix project, while larger in scope than Final Fantasy, seems to be less active and I'll be contacting them as well. The way I look at it, there are several options:

  • Nothing happens. VG and FF remain as-is.
  • FF merges with VG and becomes the Final Fantasy taskforce.
  • FF and SE merge with VG and become the Final Fantasy taskforce.
  • FF and SE merge with VG and become the Square Enix taskforce. This would be the best option, in my opinion—it would create an ideal taskforce, one with a large scope and hopefully many active members.

Thoughts? — Levi van Tine (tc) 07:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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Final Fantasy (video game) attains Good Article status!

And with that GA, we're now up to 50 GAs, FAs, and FLs! --PresN 17:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Virtual Console/WiiWare

This bit of news is probably relevant to several of this project's articles. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 01:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Discography of the Chocobo series GAN

Discography of the Chocobo series is now at GAN. It is the last "discography of" article to go for that status, and when it passes, will leave only Music of Final Fantasy remaining to complete the full FF Music GoodTopic. --PresN 22:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow! You've done some great work with those articles! Would Discographies be the first Good Topic for this project? I'm unaware if there is more. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
No, FF8 is an FT (it's in trouble though) and FF12 is a GT, though my DoFF12 is in that last one. (I didn't do DoFF8, it's the only one to precede me.) --PresN 05:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks like FF8's FT is out of trouble for the time being; Rinoa was merged. — Deckiller 02:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for assistance at Gameplay of Final Fantasy

I've been hard at work on this article over the past few days. It's not really my domain of expertise, but I've found a few great sources that discuss common parts of the gameplay in the series. This includes the battle system, certain character classes, magic, and even modes of transport.

The last part that's proving really hard is the stuff about equipment. Yes, it's true that most games in the series have a Genji Glove. But I can't verify that for the life of me. I'd like to verify this kind of thing without using 12 different strategy guides, if at all possible. But I wanted to see if any of you wanted to give it a shot.

Check out Gameplay of Final Fantasy and see what you can do. The prose could be improved, if nothing else. Randomran (talk) 01:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

If anyone finds something talking about the music over the course of the series, pass it on as well- I'm finally working on Music of Final Fantasy, and I'd like more stuff to use to talk about the series as a whole, rather than just individual games. --PresN 01:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't recall if there was anything specific to the Final Fantasy series, but Nobuo Uematsu was interviewed in Nintendo Power a few issues ago. —Ost (talk) 15:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The whole...constellation of "extra" Final Fantasy articles seems to have changed in the past week, let me see if I have this right:

Common elements of Final Fantasy was renamed to Character design of Final Fantasy, and everything in it that didn't fit was merged to Gameplay of Final Fantasy, which had originally split off from Common Elements back in November. Then, Recurring character names of Final Fantasy and Monsters of Final Fantasy were merged to Character design of Final Fantasy; leaving as the only side articles "Gameplay", "Character Design", "Character Classes", "Minigames", and "Music"- the ones that are listed at the bottom of the Final Fantasy series template. That all correct? --PresN 20:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Sounds about right. The common elemets had become a potpouri. Over the course of a few months, we pulled a few parts out. Now the plot stuff is in the main final fantasy series article. The recurring character names and moogles and chocobos ended up in an article about characters. And everything else is in gameplay. I find that when articles have clearer scope, they tend to attract less original research. Randomran (talk) 20:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Crystal Defenders in our jurisdiction?

We should decide. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, that's a toughie. I'm going to go with yes- it's set in Ivalice, a world explicitly defined only in FF games, so that makes it related enough to FF to count. --PresN 06:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Vagrant Story is set in Ivalice too. I think Chrystal Defenders is like Kingdom Hearts; it uses assets and ideas from Final Fantasy but it's not officially Final Fantasy. Nomchan (talk) 11:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's definitely FF - as it prominently uses elements of the Tactics Advance / A2 series, right down to the Job costumes for each of the races. If that's not convincing enough, consider it being under Square Enix's Final Fantasy Mobile brand. — Blue 12:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy V dropped from GA

FF5 has been delisted due to a lack of citations and a bit too detailed of a story section, meaning that currently FF2 and FF5 are our non-GA/FA main series articles. --PresN 17:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That's too bad...Not to mention, FFIV will probably be delisted from FA unless any large improvements are done. I'd like to help out, but I have a few more article to work with, three of the main ones (Last Order: Final Fantasy VII, Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series, and Zack Fair) being Final Fantasy-related. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The keystone of the entire Final Fantasy music topic, Music of the Final Fantasy series, is now at GAN. All I can say is OMG 77 REFERENCES WTF. Please drop by to copyedit if you get a chance, after 16 FFMusic articles my eyes glaze over if I see the words "Final Fantasy" and "music" in the same paragraph. --PresN 04:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

And now, with 86 references, it's a GA! --PresN 03:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)