Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard
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This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.
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Case | Created | Last volunteer edit | Last modified | ||||
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Title | Status | User | Time | User | Time | User | Time |
Jessica Nabongo | New | Log6849129 (t) | 3 days, 18 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 11 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 11 hours |
Neith | New | Potymkin (t) | 3 days, 15 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 2 days, 17 hours | Potymkin (t) | 18 hours |
Existential risk studies | Closed | JoaquimCebuano (t) | 1 days, 22 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, 21 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, 21 hours |
Ashfield Independents | Closed | NottsPolitics (t) | 17 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 10 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 10 hours |
Existential risk studies | Closed | JoaquimCebuano (t) | 17 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 9 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 9 hours |
Riley Gaines | New | Lisha2037 (t) | 20 minutes | None | n/a | Lisha2037 (t) | 20 minutes |
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Current disputes
[edit]Jessica Nabongo
[edit]Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
- Log6849129 (talk · contribs)
- Valereee (talk · contribs)
- BubbaJoe123456 (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
The page is continuously edited to include incorrect information that are not even supported by the references the editors use. I listed the facts with countless high-quality references, but these were all ignored. A previous attempt by someone else to add the authors book to the description was removed due to "self promotion". This page is clearly run by people who seem to have a personal issue with the subject.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Review sources, remove unsupported statements from the page
Summary of dispute by Valereee
[edit]Ongoing COI with socking has been an issue at this article. I recommended that this editor go to Teahouse, but they decided to come here. Valereee (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Summary of dispute by BubbaJoe123456
[edit]Jessica Nabongo discussion
[edit]I've pulled the name of the other woman out of the lead, as I think that may be what this editor is most objecting to, and it probably isn't strictly necessary there. Valereee (talk) 20:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Zeroth statement by possible moderator (Jessica Nabongo)
[edit]I am ready to conduct moderated discussion about the Jessica Nabongo article when the conditions are satisfied for moderated discussion. The listing of parties appears to be problematic. One of the editors who is listed does not appear to have been involved in the controversy. On the other hand, an editor who has edited the article has not been included. The other editors have not been notified. It is not necessary to notify Valereee, who has made a statement. All editors who have either made disputed edits or taken part in the discussion should be listed and notified.
Please read DRN Rule D and indicate whether you agree to follow these rules and whether you want moderated discussion. DRN Rule D is used when the topic is a contentious topic, and the article in question is a contentious biography of a living person.
The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the article. If you agree to moderated discussion, please state concisely what you want to change in the article, or what you want to leave the same that another editor wants to change.
If the conditions for discussion are met and the parties agree to moderated discussion, we will then continue with further discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Zeroth statements by editors (Nabongo)
[edit]There are only two pieces of information in the article that are crucial to the lead: the assertion, and the fact the assertion is disputed by Spotts. At minimum, the fact the assertion is disputed needs to stay in the lead.
The support for the fact it's credibly disputed was removed in this edit by BubbaJoe123456 who had come in to do a copy edit and, while agreeing the content should be included in the lede, didn't think it needed to be cited and attributed there. I'd argued at the time that this piece of information needed a cite/attribution in the lead to a highly reliable source (an academic in a peer-reviewed journal) because it was that piece of info that was being edit warred over by COI/SPA editors, but agreed to let it go as a third editor, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, also thought it didn't need to be cited/attributed in the lead. Valereee (talk) 11:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
First statement by possible moderator (Jessica Nabongo)
[edit]So far only one editor has responded. I will begin moderated discussion when at least two editors reply, and those editors agree to the proposed rules and answer my content dispute question, and then only if there is a substantive disagreement between those editors. Please state what you want to change in the article that another editor wants to leave unchanged, or what you want to leave unchanged that another editor wants to change. Also, please state that you agree to DRN Rule D.
If there aren't at least two statements by editors who are ready for moderated discussion, I will close this dispute as abandoned. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
First statements by editors (Nabongo)
[edit]Neith
[edit]Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
Dispute overview
An information about an ancient deity in Kemet has surfaced where the goddess Neith is described by ancient egyptians as 'Libyan Neith' shows the origins of this deity, user A. Parrot argues that this information is false and that Neith has purely egyptian origins while user Potymkin claims that Libyan Neith as described by ancient egyptians is the case, user A. Parrot presents Wilkinson and Lesko two egyptologists as proof that the deity is purely egyptian but after much reading reading on their works and presenting their books and page numbers in the talk page, even these egyptologists disagree with the point that Neith is purely egyptian and solemnly agree with Libyan Neith. after contacting Lesko via email she appears to be on board with Libyan Neith. the matter requires final settlement as neither party wants to concede.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neith#Claimed_Berber_origin
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
I think taking time to consider both sides of the matter and the arguments presented in the talk page can help resolve the issue
Summary of dispute by A. Parrot
[edit]Neith was worshipped in Egypt for more than 3,000 years, and the earliest evidence about her dates to the very murky Protodynastic Period. The sources describe her origins as uncertain; Five Egyptian Goddesses: Their Possible Beginnings, Actions, and Relationships in the Third Millennium BCE by Susan Tower Hollis says (p. 115) that Neith "presents the biggest puzzle of these goddesses".
At particular issue are two passages from books in the article's source list. Lesko 1999 says (p. 47) "Hermann Kees describes the northwestern part of the delta as being inhabited primarily by Libyans and points out that during the Old Kingdom Neith was characterized by Egyptians as Neith from Libya, 'as if she was the chieftainess of the neighboring people with whom the inhabitants of the Nile valley were at all times at war.' Other Egyptologists dispute this connection, however, and the first appearance of Neith is purely Egyptian." Wilkinson 2003 says (p. 157) "Although she was sometimes called 'Neith of Libya', this reference may simply refer to the proximity of the Libyan region to the goddess's chief province in the western Delta."
Potymkin insists the article should describe Neith as Libyan or "Egypto-Libyan" and regards these passages in the sources as supporting that position. I believe the article should say scholars are uncertain about Neith's origins but describe a Libyan origin for her as a viable hypothesis—not a certainty. Potymkin continues to mischaracterize me as insisting Neith was "purely Egyptian". A. Parrot (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Neith discussion
[edit]- Volunteer Note - The filing editor has not yet notified the other editor on their talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Zeroth statement by possible moderator (Neith )
[edit]I am ready to conduct moderated discussion about the Neith article .
Please read DRN Rule A and indicate whether you agree to follow these rules and whether you want moderated discussion.
The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the article. If you agree to moderated discussion, please state concisely what you want to change in the article, or what you want to leave the same that another editor wants to change. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Zeroth statements by editors (Neith)
[edit]- Thank you @Robert McClenon for offering to help to make wikipedia articles more comprehensive I am happy that you are able to provide some of your time for this issue, in the Neith article I would like to keep the following statement in the lead of the article: "was an early Libyan deity worshipped by Libyans and ancient Egyptians. She was adopted from Libya (or was a divinity of the local Libyan population in Sais in Egypt, where her oracle was located). Her worship is attested as early as Predynastic Egypt, around 6000 BC." along with all of its relevant sources, this is due to sources I provided from UNESCO library, World History Encyclopedia which their publications are recommended by many educational institutions including:
- and several archeologists and egyptologists and multiple other sources that confirm the statement to be kept. Potymkin (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Existential risk studies
[edit]Closed due to failure to identify other parties. The filing editor has not listed or notified any other editors. There has been discussion on the article talk page. The filing editor should resume discussion on the article talk page for 24 hours, with the objective of focusing the disagreement. If there is focused but inconclusive discussion for at least 24 more hours, a new request can be filed here, listing and notifying the other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Ashfield Independents
[edit]Closed as not recently discussed. There has been discussion on the article talk page, but mostly more than three months ago. Resume discussion on the article talk page, with at least two statements by each editor over a period of more than 24 hours. Do not allege that other editors are vandalizing the article unless you are ready to report it to the vandalism noticeboard. Yelling Vandalism to "win" a content dispute is a personal attack; don't do it. If discussion is inconclusive, a new request can be filed here. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Existential risk studies
[edit]Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Closed for two reasons. First, the filing party has listed the other editors, but has failed to notify them. Notification of the other editors is required. I would remind the filing editor and wait for them to notify, except for the second reason. Second, this does not appear to be an article content dispute of the sort that is usually discussed in DRN. I often begin a discussion by asking each of the editors what part of the article they wish to change, that another editor wants to leave the same, or what they want to leave the same that another editor wants to change. Such disputes can sometimes be resolved by compromise, and can sometimes be resolved by an inquiry to the Reliable Source Noticeboard or by a Request for Comments. If there isn't an article content issue, the case may not be right for DRN. In this case, there appear to be questions about whether the article should be draftified for more work, and there appear to be questions about whether the article should be blanked and redirected. Both draftification and redirection are alternatives to deletion that can be considered by an Articles for Deletion discussion. Either resume discussion on the article talk page, or request an outside reviewer from a WikiProject, or submit an AFD nomination. If there is a specific content dispute, please refile it here, stating what the issue is, and notifying the other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Riley Gaines
[edit]Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
- DanielRigal (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
Hello. Riley Gaines is contentious topics page as she has spoken out about the trans women in sports debate. There are editors who have used biased sources and misleading words throughout the article have been edited. However, one user keeps reverting my one edit specifically, where a group she has worked with constantly labelled anti-trans when in fact there is no proper source to describe them as transphobic. Their website and secondary sources about them would characterize them as a pro-woman advocacy group or a political entity with diverse investments in the debate. Anti-trans is an opinion label.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Riley Gaines#Impact_Section [2]
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
I believe this article is ideologically biased as has some problematic sourcing. As it’s part of a contentious articles debate, editors have used this page to express their opinions on the matter. There is a repetitive use of the words anti-trans to refer to groups that are not transphobic. Plus, it looks like editors will only keep content if it’s about how Riley is advocating for the exclusion of trans women in sports and any criticism related to it but not the support, so it’s not balanced.