Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 July 26

July 26

File:2-ceo-dev-pragad.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F9 by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid license claim. Source clearly shows copyright declaration. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Francisco Legaspi2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not public domain sculpture. Subject died in 1976 (per this, so the work is unlikely pre-1950s. U.S. law does not provide Freedom of Panorama for public artworks, see Freedom of panorama#United States. The Philippines does not provide Freedom of Panorama for any work in public, see Freedom of panorama#Philippines. Infringement of sculptor's copyright. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 15:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Francisco Legaspi3.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not public domain sculpture. Subject died in 1976 (per this, so the work is unlikely pre-1950s. U.S. law does not provide Freedom of Panorama for public artworks, see Freedom of panorama#United States. The Philippines does not provide Freedom of Panorama for any work in public, see Freedom of panorama#Philippines. Infringement of sculptor's copyright. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 15:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doom

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn -Fastily 11:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source code for Doom was released under GNU GPL. Screenshots that haven't been freely licensed by their creators should be replaced with images from c:Category:Screenshots of Freedoom, or new alternatives should be created. hinnk (talk) 18:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The purpose of the images in an article are to show what the subject of the article looks like. Images of a similar-but-different version of the game do not do this. It is not possible for free images of Doom itself to be created, as while the source code is now open source, the art is not. --Pres N 19:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it only the underlying engine that was GPL and not the original assets? I was trying to figure that out from the image pages but all it says is "Replaceable? No." hinnk (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah- the release isn't obvious, but it's the code but not the "assets", which is the levels and art files. That's why Freedoom looks different. --Pres N 01:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn I've updated the fair use rationales based on PresN's comments. The ones for Texture mapping and Gibs wouldn't be valid, but the images had already been replaced in those articles. hinnk (talk) 02:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Richard C. West.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: remove from Constructing The Lord of the Rings#A "long and difficult process". ✗plicit 01:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free photo being used in Richard C. West and Constructing The Lord of the Rings#A "long and difficult process". Although a non-free use rationale is provided for each use, I only think the use in the "Richard C. West" is Wikipedia's non-free content use policy compliant.

According to the non-free use rationale provided for the article about West, the image shows "West working on the Marquette University Tolkien Archive". Given that West died in November 2020 and assuming the uploader did a reasonable such for a free equivalent image of him that could serve the same encyclopedic purpose as this or any other non-free one, this use seems fine because relevant policy has long allowed non-free images of a deceased individuals to be used for primary identification purposes at the tops of or in the main infoboxes of stand-alone articles about said individuals as long as no free equivalents can be either found or created to serve essentially the same encyclopedic purpose as a~~the~~ non-free one; non-free uses of the same image in other articles or in other ways, however, tends to be much harder to justify. So, I suggest Keep for this particular non-free use in "Richard C. West". FWIW, there do appear to be some other images of him available online but none appear to be released under an acceptable free license.

The non-free use in "Constructing The Lord of the Rings" is not as clear and needs to be assessed. This use seems quite WP:DECORATIVE to me and doesn't meet WP:NFCC#1 (WP:FREER) and WP:NFCC#8 (WP:NFC#CS). According to the non-free use rationale provided for this particular use, the primary justifications for its seem to be as follows: (1) "Illustrate the drafts of The Lord of the Rings in the Tolkien Archive at Marquette University in use."; and (2) "There is no other image available that shows a Tolkien scholar working on the Marquette University Tolkien Archive, directly relevant to the article. It is not easy to gain access to the archive (only bona fide scholars are admitted), let alone to find a Tolkien scholar at work and get permission to photograph them actually using Tolkien's drafts, so while in theory another image might be made, in practice this is the only such image known from the many years the archive has been in existence." These to me seem more WP:THOUSANDWORDS and WP:IRREPLACEABLE justifications than anything else. I don't think the additional of this image to that particular section significantly improves the reader's understanding to such a degree that not seeing the image is detrimental to that understanding. Removing the image ~~causes~~ doesn't significantly effect the readers encyclopedic of the subject matter. In addition, the photo itself is not the subject of any sourced critical commentary; it's sourced to Marquette University's J.R.R. Tolkien Collection, but it isn't itself the subject of any sourced critical commentary in the article. If this is an iconic or otherwise historic photo that is regularly used and discussed whenever reliable sources cover the archives, then more sourced content about the photo itself should be added; otherwise, the reader doesn't need to see a non-free image of a Tolkien scholar doing research at their desk at the archive to understand that Tolkien scholars work at desks while researching the archives. The caption identifies the scholar as West, but that's the only time he's mentioned by name in the entire article; moreover, even if he was mentioned more, the non-free use in the stand-alone article about him and item 6 of WP:NFC#UUI means there's really no need to use the photo just to identify him: he can be mentioned in the "Constructing" article and a Wikilink to the stand-alone article about him can be added. The non-free use rationale for this use also states the file is needed to Again, I don't think the reader needs to see this non-free image to understand that the archives contain drafts (even thousands of pages of drafts) of Tolkiens work, and these are use by scholars researching Tolkien. So, I suggest Remove for the non-free use in "Constructing The Lord of the Ring" because it doesn't satisfy (in my opinion) NFCC#1 and NFCC#8, and a non-free use is required by policy to satisfy all ten non-free content use criteria to be valid. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC); edited to make some minor copyedits. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for the biography as you rightly recommend, the usage is standard for a deceased person, and the informatively at-work image is unlikely to be bettered. I've removed the other usage so this can be closed now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:9th Doctor companions.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This image uses several non-free use images in one to depict the Ninth Doctor's companions in the Ninth Doctor article, but due to the fact only headshots are used, this image can be replicated substantially easily using the free to use images we have of the companions' actors (Billie Piper, Bruno Langley, and John Barrowman). This image seems largely redundant and can easily be replaced by non-free media without being detrimental to reader understanding. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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