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November 4

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November 4, 2024 (2024-11-04) (Monday)

Disasters and accidents

November 3

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November 3, 2024 (2024-11-03) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) 2024 Moldovan presidential election

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Article: 2024 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova, defeating Alexandr Stoianoglo in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not much to be said except that it's a significant election. BastianMAT (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Obviously a major story, and ITNR. As an aside, the BBC needs to get a less compromised Chisinau correspondent; they're still reporting Stoianoglo is ahead while other sources are saying Sandu has won; they did the equivalent with the referendum too. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They've flipped now. But still, if I had a nickel for every time this year the BBC wrongly called a Moldovan national poll for the pro-Russian choice, I'd have at least two nickels. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support thus concludes the story of these elections and referendum, that international media have presented as a choice between the West and Russia (hence the relevance of this result). Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN/R, and besides some results still needing to trickle in the article looks good. Amazing that Moldova was able to just power through Russian interference. Scuba 22:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it's a major event, with her victory being considered pro-EU, compared to her pro-Russia opponent.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Japan Series

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Article: 2024 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. (Post)
News source(s): NHK
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I can't comment on quality as I am not versed in baseball, but this is ITN/R and a concluded event. I will say this is more likely to be posted than many of the other stories that have appeared on ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. You're excellent for everyone. Kboybaseball1994 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support good quality article, ITN/R. We recently posted the World Series and this is just as prestigious. –DMartin 19:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good, can we get the game 6 MVP in as an image? Scuba 22:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Monkey business

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Consensus to post will not develop. The Kip (contribs) 16:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Infinite monkey theorem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The expected life of the universe has been shown to be insufficient time for monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Franklin Open, New Scientist, The Times
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is peer-reviewed science and is getting good mainstream coverage. The conclusion was already well covered by our article and our advanced primates are already on the job of expanding it. It's interesting to find that actual experiments have been done and that one trouble seems to be that the results are not random -- one result was a systemic bias to the letter S, which limits the possibilities. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This isn't a new discovery; it's a confirmation of something already well-known. Our own article Orders of magnitude (numbers) has the probability that a monkey will type the works of Shakespeare starting at any given input as the very smallest number it mentions, at approximately 10−183,800. The reciprocal of that number is unimaginably greater than the age of the universe measured in Planck time units. The infinite monkey theorem was formulated to illustrate a point about infinity, so it shouldn't be a surprise that even very large finite quantities encountered in reality are insufficient. This is largely an exercise in the innumeracy of science journalists. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per above. Anyone could have calculated this, myself included, given enough time (or not, given the results of this calculation). It isn't a new element of math which we'll reference for years to come, it's just putting to bed an old figure of speech. Sensationalism at its finest. Departure– (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Fun story, but as others said I feel like this thought experiment has already been explored, there wouldn't be enough time before thermodynamic stasis in the universe for a monkey to randomly type out Shakespeare. Some interesting conclusions but this is more for DYK than ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per GenevieveDEon. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does. (There's also a degree of subtlety in the original theorem, around the term almost certain, which is of interest.) This research is basically saying that it really does have to be infinite, or at least completely out of scale with the entire known universe, for the result to apply. But as I noted in my original !vote, we knew that, and already had it documented here on Wikipedia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

November 2

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November 2, 2024 (2024-11-02) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

RD: Paul Stephenson

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Article: Paul Stephenson (civil rights campaigner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British community worker and civil rights activist. Article is GA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dub Jones

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Article: Dub Jones (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], Cleveland Browns
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player whose article is a GA. Source isn't the strongest right now but more should arrive in the next couple hours. Wizardman 17:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European floods

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Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Could slowly become one of the worst natural disaster in recent European history, if not already. --Roncanada (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose This is a string of unrelated weather events, though reasonable to cover as a single article, but it is not like this is one long flood that is affecting more and more people daily. We posted the Spain floods, but there's no indication that system is continuing to create floods elshewer. --Masem (t) 16:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem and the fact that the majority of the floods happened weeks apart 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above. The European floods are only related insofar as they are all a result of climate change; they are not a singular ongoing event receiving frequent updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak

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Consensus to post will not form. --Tone 19:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kemi Badenoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak as the leader of the Conservative Party. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Pretty notable shift in British politics. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support New head of government. I'd argue this is ITN/R. Forgot Starmer was head of government now. Oppose for now, we didn't post Starmer coming to power before Labour's majority that made him PM (April 2020, didn't even get nominated), even when he was head of opposition, so I'd argue that when the same happens to the Conservative party it isn't any more notable. Departure– (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting that it wasn't nominated at all. I reckon this is a large change nonetheless though, and notable enough to be ITN. It feels like ITN sometimes misses some pretty important nominations. Would've been great if it was nominated back then so we could've gotten opinions on headlines like this, but I'm nominating it to see what the people here at ITN think. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a more recent opinion, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2023#January 3 had the 2022 US midterms concluding with Hakeem Jeffries becoming House minority leader, again a change of leadership of the second largest party in one of the world's most important institutions. That itself was not nominated (only the election as a whole was), and despite Jeffries being the first African American US house party leader (comparable to Badenoch being the first Black woman leader of a major UK party), Jeffries is only mentioned in a single reply in that entire thread. A new minority leader in a democracy, failing being a very major first larger than what Jeffries and Badenoch are, isn't an item for ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this case though, I don't think the comparison is that equal. To be the minority leader of the House of Representatives isn't the equivalent of being the party leader or the candidate for president (or prime minister if you will). A more appropriate comparison would be if Kamala Harris was replaced with another candidate instead. Do you not think that would be appropriate for ITN in that case? TwistedAxe [contact] 15:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was an ITN discussion when Kamala replaced Biden for the presidential nominee back in August and that went nowhere. Only Biden's withdrawl was posted, and that was notable because he had secured enough delegates to be the next nominee. The differences between the US and UK political systems make this a tough comparison. Departure– (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the withdrawal was posted because it was a notable event, yes, but also because it was kind of obvious and covered his replacement by Harris. It would be redundant to post 2 separate ITN noms that more or less cover the same subject. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In a democratic system, the leader of the opposition is an important post. A major change in British politics. Grimes2 (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose How many party leaders have the conservative party had for the last several years? But seriously, if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system. It doesn't make sense to me. Yakikaki (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why does it matter if the Conservative party has had alot of party leaders the past few years? And to answer the second statement, do you really not think the UK is a major democratic nation? I'd argue as a non-Brit myself that the UK exerts a massive amount of influence over other countries in the region and globally. Obviously the leadership of a country like that will also affect other countries? TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you misunderstand Yakikaki's comment. They are not saying that the UK is not democratic. if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system means that they do not want to make a precedent to have an ITN entry for party leader changes for any country that has a "democratic" governmental system (this could in theory refer to any country that has elections, whether rigged or fair). Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Speaking from the UK this is a major political development, but not enough for international news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This seems like a very one country specific story. I'm not aware of any precedent for posting non-government political party leadership changes. Quite a few people here even opposed posting a change in head of government of France. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another one of those stories we would never nominate if it hadn't happened in an English-speaking country. We could find equal coverage in those countries when Spain, Germany, Italy etc. elect a new opposition leader, just it would be niche news in the Anglosphere. Curiously, I looked up whether Jeremy Corbyn was nominated in 2015 (a much bigger internal ideological shift) and it was just as opposed for the same reason. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not a change of head of state or government, or involving an incumbent. This is just an internal party leadership change.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Janey Godley

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Article: Janey Godley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I have never nominated anything here before so forgive me if I'm missing something. I've given this a fairly robust copyedit - what else does this need? Launchballer 13:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cassius

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Article: Cassius (crocodile) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - A squirrel and a crocodile, wonder what's next PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, there's more information on the crocodile's last months that's out there that should be added to the article first. Departure– (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

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November 1, 2024 (2024-11-01) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • The People's Republic of China revises its regulations for foreign investors in its listed companies, seeking to attract more such investment by expanding eligibility criteria and easing financial requirements. (CNBC)

Disasters and Accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Peanut the squirrel

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Article: Peanut the squirrel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the article does not demonstrate the subject's notability. Regardless of whether or not the ITN rule of "all RDs are notable" is in effect I'd still oppose on quality; demonstrating notability is a pretty big part of the 'quality' in posted RD articles that we do have a say in. This village pump discussion stated that social media followers aren't used to justify notability alone, and beyond that the squirrel's only claim to fame is being euthanized which is by no means unusual. If and when the article gets more significant coverage, let me know and I'll change my vote, but this article was created just now and the headlines might have some sensationalism in their motives. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a national tragedy. Scuba 02:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously??? Masem (t) 02:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Why is it always the gamers and anime nerds who want to censor things here? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not censorship to say that the death of two small animals is not a national tragedy. It's a plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the deaths are not the crux of the story. The government signing a search warrant to raid the homes of people with a non rabid squirrel to kill it based off one random internet complaint is the story. How do all of you super editors not get that? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then as Launchballer suggests, this doesn't belong in a biography of the squirrel (or the raccoon), but in New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Do you redirect murder victim pages to the murders biography? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for the reviewing admin: The page is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut (squirrel) on notability grounds, and arguments are split roughly between "keep / significant reliable source coverage" and "delete / sensationalist and otherwise not notable". Consensus is not overwhelming towards one side or the other at the moment. Departure– (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we looking at the same AfD? It should be closed per Snow, as there is no chance of deletion with the sources which have been added. You opened it after saying above "Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD.", so the argument could easily be made that you opened the AfD mainly to keep the topic away from RD, which is why a snow close would at least bring the topic back here for a timely decision and not stop it via the AfD route. But, importantly, you also said that if you saw more significant coverage you would change your vote, and much coverage has been added since, so, who knows? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did start the AfD to keep it from RD, I will admit that here. I wouldn't have started the AfD had I not, in good faith, believed the subject was not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, with reasons and policy to back it up. Many of the votes were all keep but they all ignored that the main point was against sensationalism which a few others, including Masem, an administrator, have supported. "Significant coverage" in my eyes means that the coverage clearly demonstrates why the subject is notable, which I have yet to see. What I do see is a lot of articles stating the same, non-notable facts again. Also, this reply appears to me to be moreso an attempt at catching me in a fallacy than it is proving the point that the RD should be posted, and I'd advise against that. Comment on content, not contributors. Departure– (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no "catching" involved, just hoping the AfD closes soon so that this discussion has at least a chance at passing or failing without the roadblock (does that happen often here?, the AfD-defense). The only fallacy would be if you come to the point of seeing enough significant coverage and didn't change your vote. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD any "person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post", the article, while nominated for deletion, will obviously be kept based on the existing consensus. Article is good quality and this is a relatively high-profiles scandal. Neutral on blurb at this point, but probably would've supported one had it been proposed closer to the event. –DMartin 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please take unrelated political discussion to the couvent de l'Annonciation. DatGuyTalkContribs
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I am perplexed by the political slant of a lot of the drive-by commentary on this case. See also: [2]. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A government agnecy went to a private citizens house, seized his pets and killed them because of a complaint to a government agency from a person who doesn't even live there and you're confused as to why people are upset about government overstepping?
Are you being serious? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm serious that 'overthrow the government' is ridiculously hyperbolic in a case of overreach by a local animal control agency. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a state agency and again, it was a trained house pet. Are you even American? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does another editor being American or not matter? Comment on content, not contributors, please! Departure– (talk) 14:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because american government oversight is why the story is notable. So yes, an editor not being american or living in america would struggle to understand why americans are so up in arms about this. It is not about the squirrel, it is about what the squirrel represents. How do you continue to not understand this? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument needs to be made in sufficiently objective terms that a non-American can understand it. We never restrict participation in these debates on the basis of the location or nationality of the participants, and we're not about to start for the sake of a squirrel. Other places have governments, people in other countries have pets, and other nations' and regions' government agencies have, and abuse, all kinds of powers including with regard to pets and livestock. I am fully capable of considering those situations in places other than my own. There's nothing magical about America; it just happens to be where this case occurred. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that was the case, why are there articles about animals like Harambe, only made famous by their death at the hands of the government?
You will never be able to justify deleting entries that users of Wikipedia want. You should learn what the word editor means because it doesn't mean gatekeeper. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not American; but I am British, and my instinct outside the US context is to use 'state' to mean 'nationally-run', which is the usual sense here in the UK. I was using 'local' as a contrast to 'national' or 'federal'. And none of that has any bearing on the fact that the political rhetoric here and elsewhere about this case is absurdly hyperbolic. Let's see people get this worked up about, say, maternal mortality in the US. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure family values are a main talking point in the US right now. Again, if you lived in the USA, you'd know this. I have a feeling the reason you want this deleted is much more political than you will admit. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please play the ball and not the man. Your feelings about my motives are irrelevant. The article itself doesn't say anything about the political overtones of the case. In fact, if a reliable source can be found which adds that detail to the article, I think it would go a lot further to demonstrating notability. If that were done, then this entire discussion would be moot, because it would meet the RD criteria automatically. But I'm also not sure what squirrels and raccoons have to do with family values. That seems to be somewhat out of left field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think dehumanisation is particularly at stake in a case where the only casualties are a squirrel and a raccoon. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your opinion here sucks and shows a clear lack of empathy and compassion. I hope the government kills your dog. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't hope that, I'm just using it to illustrate a point (in a couple different ways). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am perplexed at your vehemence, as well as your position. 'It sucks' is no more a rebuttal than 'I wish harm on you or your pets'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already explained that I don't wish any harm upon your beloved fur babies, so I'm sorry you feel that way. My intention was to invoke the humanizing aspect of this story. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No blurb is proposed in the nomination (and comments about a blurb just show the depth of commitment that this death is worth an RD), and what does 'located anywhere else' pertain to? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support This is one of the largest news events for the past couple of days, and has significant implications regarding government overreach, misallocation of government resources, and animal rights. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This just isn't true. The Spanish floods (and the subsequent heckling of the King), the Novi Sad roof collapse, and the Tory party leadership result (correctly rejected above), are all much bigger stories. This is a flash in the pan. This is someone's fifteen minutes of fame, no more and no less, and we're not obliged to participate in that circus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
none of those things reached north American news cycles. By your own metrics, that means they aren't relevant. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be claiming that by my standards, the death of a squirrel in New York is more important than the death of over a dozen people in Serbia. I can assure you that's not what I meant. You seem to be new here - as do several other participants in this discussion - so I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards before you make absurd assertions about relevance. (The Spanish story is near the top of the CNN homepage right now, so your claim about US news cycles is also plainly false.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@64.229.210.77: Your comment that the major Spanish floods did not reach the "north American news cycles" is a complete fabrication and does not reflect well on your arguments nor your news consumption. AusLondonder (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Shouldn't even be an article, pure WP:NOTNEWS. Anyone who has posted that this is a major worldwide news story needs to have a serious word with themselves. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe you should brush up on RD, deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Peanut is an animal, with an article that died recently, therefore is important enough to post an RD. Scuba 16:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion." Peanut's article is currently nominated for deletion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for informing someone who has been here 17 years and is a regular on this page what the rule says. I'm pointing out that I don't believe there should be an article, though it appears that most of the people at the AfD appear to believe that a few news stories are equivalent to notability... Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was created yesterday, so we are at a stage that we have to evaluate its notability. We've had this problem a few times before where a human being, not yet shown notable, only got coverage due to a accidental death (like getting into a drunk driving accident). --Masem (t) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD - No idea why people are starting deletion discussions in ITN. Also the story around this poor squirrel's death is causing significant media coverage, so this article absolutely deserves to stay. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder to everyone this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Any arguments that you would normally make for or against posting as a blurb are irrelevant. See WP:ITNRD. And no, the subject does not need to be human. The only requirements are that the subject has a Wikipedia page, and that the Wikipedia page is not in a miserable state. Disappointed that one of the oppose !voters admittedly only nominated the article for deletion to obstruct this RD nomination on the technicality that it cannot be posted to RD if it is currently nominated for deletion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the article was created the same day as the nomination, so its notability can be fully raised as an issue. It implies something along the lines of WP:BLP1E, which is not a reason for creation of a article, in addition to failing to show enduring coverage as required by WP:N and NEVENT. Masem (t) 21:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The government is a mindless and heartless killing machine... It's possible, Deputy Dawg, it's possible" - Musky Muskrat. Ah, the price of Wiki fame... created today, cremated tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD We have posted other animals of similar significance and stature before, I think we posted an RD for a duck or something like that a while ago if I'm not mistaken. The story of how the squirrel was taken away is also pretty tragic. This should 100% be posted to RD, but shouldn't get a blurb. Hungry403 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nature or circumstances of death are not usually relevant. Provided the article is good enough, it's an RD like any other. I'm not sure if any animal has ever been given a blurb.... "outstanding in his field"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the death of Knut (polar bear) was blurbed. Also the first hatching of wild white storks in the UK in 600 years was blurbed as a significant birth (as opposed to the usual deaths). It seems likely that there have been other animal blurbs as we have several horse races in ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rohit Bal

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Article: Rohit Bal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, India Today
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Noted Indian fashion designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse

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Article: Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Serbia, a canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people and injures three others. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - CNN - BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A structural collapse at the Novi Sad railway station has led to 17 casualties. Article is a bit stubby. — Knightoftheswords 04:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Mayan city discovered

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Article: Valeriana (Maya city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ancient Maya city of Valeriana, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche, and is called Valeriana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, dubbed Valeriana, is discovered in Campeche.
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major archaeological discovery - second-largest Mayan city in the Yucatan, after Calakmul. Discovery was only announced this week. Khuft (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note for the reviewing admin: The city was not known as Valeriana while it was inhabited: from the article Valeriana (Maya city): Valeriana is the name given to the ruins of an ancient Maya city in the Mexican state of Campeche... / ...the site was named after an adjacent freshwater lagoon of the same name. Cheers! Departure– (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its the current working name until the site can be more thoroughly investigated. Until the more proper name is learned and published, it is completley appropriate to use Valeriana as the name. — Masem (t) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just feel it's an important distinction to make. The site is Valeriana, and it contains a large city of an unknown name, that has informally become known as Valeriana. I'd just prefer if the blurb didn't imply that it was always called that (specifically the original blurb). Departure– (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Botswanan general election

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Article: 2024 Botswana general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Umbrella for Democratic Change, led by Duma Boko, wins the most seats in the National Assembly in the 2024 Botswana general election, defeating the Botswana Democratic Party for the first time in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Botswana general election, the UDC, led by Duma Boko, wins the a majority in the National Assembly, the first change in government in Botswana's history.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: First change in government in the 58 years of Africa's most successful liberal democracy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per previous.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Besides the historic significance of the result the article is well sourced.
Aficionado538 (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been fixed / updated by Stephen. Natg 19 (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bibek Debroy

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Article: Bibek Debroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Chairman Of India PM's Economic Advisory Council. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 31

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RD: Greg Hildebrandt

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Article: Brothers Hildebrandt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: With his brother, an major illustrator that did a bunch of famous movie posters (like the original Star Wars one). Note that he and his brother share a page for their bios which makes sense, they had near equivalent careers. Masem (t) 21:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Trevor Whymark

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Article: Trevor Whymark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Ipswich Town striker. 240F:7A:6253:1:C23:A486:F543:2076 (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Davin-Power

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Article: David Davin-Power (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: A little short but well referenced. Needs information about death. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Masud Ali Khan

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Article: Masud Ali Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Works unreferenced and two citation tags need adressing, otherwise looks fine. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 30

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(Posted) RD: Matt Peacock

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Article: Matt Peacock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 World Series

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Article: 2024 World Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers defeat the New York Yankees to win the World Series (MVP Freddie Freeman pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tahar Zbiri

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Article: Tahar Zbiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Algerie
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Gang war in Haiti

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 02:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gang war in Haiti (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "This is effectively a civil war". Article needs updating with the 2024 Pont-Sondé attack and the recent attacks in Port-au-Prince. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While yes, this is ongoing, the problem is that the article is seeing very little updates and, as the nominator points out, the recent major developments are not covered yet. Articles in ongoing need to be constantly updated. Tone 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose based on lack of media coverage. –DMartin 07:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Indian bomb hoaxes

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Article: 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 100 flights across Indian airlines received bomb threats on Tuesday, adding to over 510 hoax threats in 16 days, mostly via social media (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes, 510+ hoax threats in 16 days
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 500 hoax bomb threats target Indian airlines.
News source(s): CNN The Guardian BBC NBC NewsAl Jazeera Times of india
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This may be better for ongoing. I'll make an altblurb here, though. Departure– (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yeah, seeing as this is since April, I strongly suggest this goes into ongoing instead of getting a blurb. Altblurb 2 proposed. Departure– (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, ongoing is for stories where there is near daily news updates, not simply because an event has has a long tail. The dates on the target page suggest there were only a few bursts of activity related to these threats and thus fails the idea of near daily coverage. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is definitely worth getting a blurb at least. Manumaker08 (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The incidents seem too disparate and include routine vandalism that we see all the time on Wikipedia. We need some long-term statistics and analysis to understand how this compares with the usual background noise. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The included news sources make it clear that this is highly unusual and increased significantly in recent weeks, and not "usual background noise" or "disparate and include routine vandalism". Tube·of·Light 04:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose glancing over the issue, there seems to be no connection between the various bomb threats. Other than a chunk of them being students... from different schools across the country. Yes there are an abnormal amount of bomb threats, but as far as I can see it's not because there is a concerted effort by a single group. Scuba 15:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Cuba blackouts and the United States embargo against Cuba

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Consensus will not develop to repost. Stephen 02:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Cuba blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After 8 days nationwide blackouts across Cuba, the UN General Assembly votes 187-2-1 in favour for the 32nd time for a resolution calling the United States to lift its 64-year-long embargo against the country. (Post)
News source(s): UN News Việt Nam News Hindustan Times AP Anadolu Ajansı
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: The blackouts were not precedented and widely reported by the media, however the article definitely needs more expansion. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose The blackout article was already posted - albeit for less than 6 hours. Also, a non-binding UN vote isn't enough to force action, especially given it's the 32nd one of this same goal. If the embargo actually gets lifted, that's another story. Departure– (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, an UNGA vote calling almost unanimously for the blockade to be lifted every time for half the time this lengthy blockade has been in place should, I think itself, be significant. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My nomination of the General Assembly's vote to get Israel to have a ceasefire in Palestine went nowhere a month or so ago, so I wouldn't be so sure about that (as much as I'd wish this was ITN worthy). Departure– (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the context of the voting this time should make the blackouts and it newsworthy to readers of this encyclopedia from around the world, who can then draw their own judgement about the situation playing out. Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A UN resolution is not the same as the actual lifting. If the US actually did lift it, that would be a key news point. (Also I will point out the story around the blackouts was nominated but I don't think got to the quality needed). --Masem (t) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The blackout article was, oddly enough, posed yesterday after the nomination had rolled off the ITN main candidate page. It was up very briefly and was already stale. Departure– (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    IMO, the first blurb was not on ITN for nearly long enough for everyone worldwide to see; and furthermore, the protests were very marginal compared to previously, to say the best. Anyhow, this UN vote seems to make a much clearer point to me about the views of the wider world than a small group of loud activists based in Florida that have been washing articles this encyclopedia, mainly related to Cuba & Venezuela, to fit their own views. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Discuss content, not contributors, please. If you think there is sock or meat puppetry going on in these topic areas, please present that evidence at appropriate boards. — Masem (t) 13:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, will do that after I wake up the next morning in Australia :) Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem this is not this user’s first time making accusations of bias against them on Wikipedia, and the previous instance went nowhere. The Kip (contribs) 17:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose already posted the blackout. Scuba 14:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blackout has already been posted, and the UN vote has not caused the embargo to be lifted. If the embargo is lifted, that would be significant enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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October 29

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(Posted) October 2024 Spain floods

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Article: October 2024 Spain floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Spain kill over 60 people. (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised this wasn't nominated already. Sixty dead (at least) by nature in Western Europe is a huge story, particularly in a drier country. I know nothing about natural disasters or other scientific topics so I welcome alternative blurbs Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The disaster has left, at the time of writing, at least 72 dead, many missing, many more displaced and huge property damages. It is at a comparable scale to the very consequential 1957 Valencia flood . Milo8505 (talk) 14:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Teri Garr

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Article: Teri Garr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Masem (t) 17:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. The article is generally well cited, some WP:DRIVEBY tagging isn't good justification to not post it. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's currently borderline per WP:ITNQUALITY:

    Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article ... Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources.

    —Bagumba (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, 69 references carry the page along. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Akua Donkor

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Article: Akua Donkor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Citinewsroom
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ghanaian politician who was contesting the 2024 general elections. Heatrave (talk) 12:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021–present Bulgarian political crisis

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No support for posting this. Schwede66 19:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2021–present Bulgarian political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Free Europe, TVP World
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Given we are unlikely to post October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election as it hasn't broken the deadlock, and that we had an almost unprecedented 7 elections in 3 years all resulting in not much progress, perhaps it is worth adding this to ongoing. There is no rule saying that it has to be a military conflict or sporting event to be ongoing, a political crisis can be a good candidate for addition. Most recent election needs adding to the article. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment if we are going to invoke WP:IAR not posting these elections every 3-6 months or so, then we can use this as a suitable replacement, nowhere does it say we cannot. Whereas we usually expect articles to have ongoing coverage, this firstly isn't impossible to rectify, but also it is only natural that this will get more attention around election time, I think this should be factored in when considering. The article can easily be filled with coalition talks/breakdowns in between elections accordingly and this gets lots and lots of coverage in Bulgaria, despite the election fatigue. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. A crisis that only merits blurb levels once an election happens twice or so a year is insufficient for ongoing. General elections are ITNR and those should be posted. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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October 28

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  • A team of archaeologists announce the discovery of more than 6,000 ancient Mayan structures hidden by vegetation in the southeastern Mexican state of Campeche, including a city of pyramids they dubbed Valeriana. (DW)

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(Posted) RD: Franz Kamphaus

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Article: Franz Kamphaus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A German bishop who opposed the pope and was a model for humility and serving the community. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Rynoip (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jamshid Sharmahd

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Article: Jamshid Sharmahd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-Iranian journalist executed in Iran yesterday Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Article is in good shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We say he is a journalist (as does some of the references) but it's not clear what he has written, they seem to be saying his movement's website. He doesn't seem to have ever written for an independent publication. Secretlondon (talk) 10:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should remove "journalist". The hope was obviously, to give Sharmahd some kind of immunity. Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I did some more cleanup on this. Neutralitytalk 18:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Renato Martino

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Article: Renato Martino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic News Agency, Vatican News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian Roman Catholic cardinal. 240F:7A:6253:1:550B:B06A:7D69:455A (talk) 04:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apostolic Nuncio section needs more references. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Ballon d'Or

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Article: 2024 Ballon d'Or (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Rodri wins the Ballon d'Or and Aitana Bonmatí wins the Ballon d'Or Feminin. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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 Heatrave (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Journalists voting for the "best player" in the world isn't very notable, and there's already criticism that it's not fair to single individuals in a team sport. Furthermore, we already post too many football stories every year so this one is really redundant. This is very similar to the NBA Most Valuable Player, which we've never posted and will probably never do.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on Quality; article is mostly tables. However, I do find the tepid feeling of ITN towards this award to be odd. Last nominated in 2021 to heavy opposition, and not nominated since. I get the point of opposing individual sporting awards, but soccer/football is the world's largest sport and relevant in discussion in most countries in the world, and the Ballon is the sport's highest honor. I think this is particularly relevant in a sport where there are so many prominent leagues, as most sports the best league's MVP is considered the greatest player, but with soccer, the best player could be in England, France, Germany, Spain, etc. To this end, I do believe this item should merit some discussion, but there should be some expansion of the Ballon article, whether it ends up being the target or not. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no issues on notability (it's the lead story on every sports page in Europe, and - especially in Spain - it's a leading news story as well), but the quality is lacking at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 09:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support imo one of the most significant ballon d’ors in years. Big news. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 06:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both on principle and quality. We already post at least 7 football stories per year (see WP:ITNR) and I don't think this award is important enough to justify another one. As others have noted, this is a team sport with objective results - a subjective individual award isn't as important as the outcomes of actual tournaments. Also, the article is in a terrible shape - purely tables and a short paragraph about Real Madrid(!). Modest Genius talk 14:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Morrissey

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Article: Paul Morrissey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American film director known for his early association with Andy Warhol. Thriley (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article has no problems at a glance. Rynoip (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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