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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 5, 2016.

Panamagate

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to List of scandals with "-gate" suffix#Politics. --BDD (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From what I gather, "Panamagate" and "Panama Papers" are actually two distinct controversies. The first news reports of the "Panamagate" controversy, which specifically surrounds Maltese minister Konrad Mizzi, were released early March 2016: [1][2][3]. The broader "Panama Papers" controversy was first covered in papers (according to the current article's lead) on April 3, just recently, and it implicates far more politicians than just Mizzi. To prevent confusion, this redirect should be deleted or retargeted to a more appropriate article if one exists. Retarget to List of scandals with "-gate" suffix#Politics. Mz7 (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2016 (UTC), revised 23:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would be okay with retargeting to List of scandals with "-gate" suffix#Politics as well, since now we have a direct mention of this title there. Mz7 (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Red grey

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The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 10:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

This Neelix redirect fails WP:RFD#D2 because seal brown does not have a shade of red in it. I also nominate these Neelix redirects for the same reason:

Thanks. I've added a link (above) to the previous discussion, for reddish-grey and others. Si Trew (talk) 11:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Armed conflict

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The result of the discussion was keep both. JohnCD (talk) 10:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm ... This redirects' target War states that the article's subject is the "state of armed conflict" but doesn't state that "war" and "armed conflict" are the same. Are these redirects accurate, or should the redirects be deleted per WP:REDLINK? Steel1943 (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed that to point to War directly. -- Beland (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The redirect from Unarmed combat to h2h combat is a poor one, as has already been pointed out. Not on board with redirect from armed combat to battle. All squares are rectangles; not all rectangles are squares. Otherwise, support the suggestion to disambig for war and undeclared war. The distinction can be important. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 14:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is. The nomination is attempting to draw a distinction without a difference. There is no potential for confusion on the part of our readers and no better target for the redirect. Rossami (talk) 04:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as I agree with Beland and GAB. -- Tavix (talk) 15:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Square Division Table of Organization and Equipment

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 14#Square Division Table of Organization and Equipment

Force XXI

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Deryck C. 11:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The term "Force XXI" doesn't seem to be mentioned at either target except as a source in an external link. This subject probably had something to do with the United States Army, but neither target articles helps specify what this is. However, Force XXI Battle Command Brigade and Below (a possible related subject) exists, and Force 21, an unrelated subject, exists. Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Major wars

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The result of the discussion was delete. There is majority support for deletion. Arguments include the subjectivity of the title. Multiple alternative proposals were discussed but none gained as much support as outright deletion. Deryck C. 11:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wars aren't limited to ongoing ones. However, I'm unsure of a retargeting option for this because I cannot find any type of criteria for what type of war would be termed a "major" war. So, this redirect might fail WP:NPOV (I'm not sure.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per the nomination. I also cannot find any definitive criteria for defining a war or other armed conflict as "major" and it is inappropriate for Wikipedia to invent that definition. Various sources given in the lists suggest criteria based on cumulative death toll or death rate (as suggested above), while others suggest that "major war" is the same as total war, while still others suggest that any identifiable conflict where government resources are deployed is a major war. Many external lists have no criteria at all. The conclusion is that "major" is just a WP:PEACOCK descriptor here, and this is no different from any other undefined descriptive redirect to war or some list, like if we had popular wars or bad wars or wet wars or justified wars. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Ivanvector's right, might as well let the search engine do it. We don't have minor wars, although we do have miner wars. Si Trew (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete Hopelessly subjective. Failing that, I prefer a retarget to one of Prisencolin's suggestions. Not a good candidate for a dab. --BDD (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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List of ongoing political conflicts

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 16#List of ongoing political conflicts

Actual wars

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For one, the redirect is inaccurate since there are also wars/armed conflicts that are no longer ongoing. Steel1943 (talk) 20:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a weird thing for a user to type in. Would they be looking for real-world wars as opposed to fictional wars? In that case, this is the wrong target. Maybe User:M4gnum0n actually did type this in and was looking for ongoing wars, but the edit summary makes me think it was speculative. I'm not opposed to a delete outcome for this one, but I'm open to assertions it should be a disambiguation page if people really are typing this in. -- Beland (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
we have virtual war and phoney war in opposition, but the first at least is a real war and a bit of a misnomer, it's not as if it's a computer game, but it's a real life misnomer not a Wikipedia one. Real war is red. I guess this use of "actual" to mean "current" is a bit of a false friend so perhaps it's WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Or D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 03:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirects containing the phrase "world conflicts"

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 14#Redirects containing the phrase "world conflicts"

Redirects containing "conflict" without a non-time descriptive adjective

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 14#Redirects containing "conflict" without a non-time descriptive adjective

Current communist rulers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 15#Current communist rulers

List of Refernce Tables

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:27, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Besides the fact that this is a WP:CNR, it is also both misspelled and doesn't seem to target what the redirect's name claims that it targets. Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Current computer and video game events

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The result of the discussion was keep. The emerging consensus is that mainspace → Portal should be allowed, and it is okay to use "current" because the target uses it. Deryck C. 09:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Possibly-misleading WP:CNRs since the target is not a page in the article namespace about events. Also, at this point, most, if not all, other "Current ... events" redirects that targeted pages in the "Portal:" namespace have been deleted. Please see the referenced previous RFD discussion for further information; most "Current ... events" redirects listed there have since been deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the prior RfD decision. WP:CNR does not apply to redirects to the Portal-space. The very point of portal pages is to replace (and more efficiently manage) those interminable list pages. But knowing the "Portal:something" grammar is not something that we expect new readers to know. Redirects help those readers find the content they want. There is no good reason it harder for those readers. Rossami (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Portal space is exempted from R2 speedy deletion. It's cross-namespace by definition, but I don't know if that says anything either way for RfD. --BDD (talk) 16:27, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Cross-space redirects doesn't apply in this case since portals are reader focused, not editor focused. And in this case it makes sense - the portal has a listing of current events on it. Many of the other such redirects pointed to portals that didn't actually have current events listing, so those deletions made sense. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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ANE Resources

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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These WP:CNRs could be seen as ambiguous and misleading. Since in the article space, ANE is a disambiguation page, these redirects assume that the reader both think that "ANE" means "Ancient Near East" and that they are not looking for an article. Steel1943 (talk) 18:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Basic topics

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Rather confusing and misleading WP:CNRs. As these are in the article namespace, the question remains ... What Basic (a disambiguation page) topics? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not, WP:R2 excludes Portal. Si Trew (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Current Canadian Navy ships

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The result of the discussion was keep. JohnCD (talk) 10:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading redirect since in this case, the word "current" could be seen as ambiguous. Besides the redirects current target, the page Fleet of the Royal Canadian Navy (historic) exists as well, and this page also has a list of ships, none of which seem to still be in use. So, the word "current" can be seen as ambiguous since it could mean "currenltly-existing ships" or a "current list of all ships ever". Steel1943 (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep; unlike others the maintenance burden is at the target not the redirect. "Current" patently should not mean just "the current version of this page", but that's not the case here - there's been a deliberate choice to split out historic ships. That one is weird because not every old ship is historic, but I suppose the distinction between historic and historical has died. Si Trew (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is the title where the content existed before being moved. It's clear that any reader looking for content with this title will be most likely looking for the current target. Rossami (talk) 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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List of ships Canadian Navy ships

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the fact that per the redirect's edit history showing that this title's creator didn't seem to create this title intentionally, this redirect is a very unlikely search term due to the the use of the word "ships" twice. Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Current War in Afghanistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect is outdated since War in Afghanistan (2015–present) exists. Since this redirect could require continuous maintenance and has the possibility of being ambiguous, I'd say delete. Steel1943 (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Current leaders of San Jose, California

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 13#Current leaders of San Jose, California

IPhone 5SE

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 13#IPhone 5SE

Yahoo.cm

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, while this one appears to be owned by Yahoo, the security concern is still a problem for me, see .cm#Reputation, where .cn was rated "the world's riskiest domain." I don't think it's worth the risk, especially since it's not used (.05 hits per day over the past 90 days.) -- Tavix (talk) 22:10, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't see a risk to readers by correctly identifying this as a property of Yahoo Inc. Anyone researching the domain should have that connection made for them. -- Beland (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, just an ordinary typo, and I agree with Beland that people won't take this redirect as an indicator that Yahoo really uses this precise name. Nyttend (talk) 14:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Lyin' Ted

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 12#Lyin' Ted

Parent, Ontario

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of townships in Ontario#Thunder Bay District. There is a split of opinion between retargeting to Unorganized Thunder Bay District and List of townships in Ontario#Thunder Bay District, but because the latter actually refers to this township in question, it is a better fit according to policy. Deryck C. 09:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of the name "Parent" in the target article. I could find no such place via Google, though it might have been obscured by the many web pages about Ontario mothers, fathers, etc. Cnilep (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "geographic" townships are a system of making sure that every piece of land in Ontario has a "name" for land management purposes, such as tracking forest fires and/or recording natural resources (e.g. mining, forestry, etc.) claims. They can occasionally have a more practical application as well — my parents' house is inside the boundaries of one of Ontario's larger cities now, but when they first bought it in the early 1970s it was in a completely unincorporated, not-yet-annexed rural area and their only official mailing address was "Lot #, Concession #, Name of a Geographic Township" (although even today, with their mailing address being "Conventional Street Address, Name of Actual City", the geographic township name still does technically exist for internal government purposes — they're a completely separate thing from the system of municipal governance.) But in reality, for our purposes on here they nearly always mean great gobs of nothing at all, in the absence of reliable source coverage about them — which is extremely rare at best, and usually completely nonexistent. Bearcat (talk) 01:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not an incorporated place in its own right, but is one of Ontario's geographic townships. Per the provincial ClaiMAPS system, I was able to confirm that it is indeed near Geraldton, but is not part of the municipality of Greenstone (although the next geographic townships to its immediate north and east are — if you look at our map of Greenstone, you'll see a small downpointing notch roughly at the midpoint, and Parent is the very next thing immediately to that notch's left. It is not a thing that would be likely to qualify for an article of its own, however, as I'm unable to find any reliable source coverage about it. Our usual standard for geographic locations which aren't notable in their own right is to redirect them to a larger related topic if possible, and this was simply the wrong choice of topic — redirecting to Unorganized Thunder Bay District would indeed be preferable. I also wouldn't object to outright deletion if that's the consensus, however, as this is unlikely to be a thing that very many people are actually looking for information about at all. Literally nothing in mainspace, for example, links to this title at all. Bearcat (talk) 01:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to List of townships in Ontario#Thunder Bay District, where it's listed. I oppose retargeting to Unorganized Thunder Bay District as long as Parent isn't discussed there. While I'm afraid this isn't going to be very helpful either way, the former at least gives the redirect context. Someone already familiar with Parent might understand the retarget to UTBD, but since it's not included there, it seems too likely to confuse readers for my comfort. --BDD (talk) 21:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 08:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it exists (or has in the past), I don't see why we wouldn't include that information in Thunder Bay District, which would then make it an appropriate redirect target. bd2412 T 11:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Then why not Unorganized Thunder Bay District, where it is actually located? The unorganized area is within Thunder Bay District, not the other way around (like a township within a county, but the township has no local government). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Northern China (disambiguation)

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would normally boldly do this but considering the fun we are having with the Chinese redirects lately, I think better of it: this is not an R to a DAB page. No doubt it was so when User:BD2412 created it to target Northern China as an {{R to disambiguation page}}, but was bot fixed when the DAB was changed to a redirect. Retarget to North China (disambiguation) but see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 1#Northern Chinese. Northern China already targets same place. Si Trew (talk) 05:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment these double-redirect bot fixes can be a nuisance; a human editor would be expected to go through the incoming links and judiciously change them before moving the page, so perhaps it would make sense for the bot to avoid "fixing" redirects to redirects when doing double-redirect fixes. Si Trew (talk) 05:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget as proposed. A "Foo (disambiguation)" redirect should not point to a non-disambiguation page. bd2412 T 11:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Retarget to North China (disambiguation) which was where the disambiguation page was moved to a few years ago, before the double redirect bot fixed the retargeted page that was left behind -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think with the closure of the discussion for Northern Chinese (linked above), we can close this now a little early as retarget, since it would make little sense after the outcome of that discussion to do anything else. Si Trew (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Chimmer

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The result of the discussion was speedily deleted per WP:G6 Neelix concession by User:RHaworth. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't figure out why this would redirect to room. Any ideas why? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neat, not utter nonsense then. But is it useful as a redirect? I find it doubtful (but not completely implausible) that someone would see chimmer in one of Hardy's works and come here to find out what the word means, and if they did, they would not find any information about its usage at room, nor at say chamber. I see from searching that the podcast The Football Ramble has a character named 'Chimmers "Chimmers" Chimmers', but no further details available. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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