Talk:List of people with heterochromia
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Australian poet and intellectual Les Murray
[edit]A quote from page 27 of Peter Alexander's biography of Les Murray, in a chapter about Murray's childhood: "His hair was red, like that of almost all the Murrays, and his eyes were curiously coloured, one blue, one green, 'like Hereward the Wake', he would joke in later life." and there is a number after that citing an interview with Les Murray (presumably by Alexander) in 1998 as the source of this quote. The details of this book; author - Peter F. Alexander, title - Les Murray: a life in progress. publisher - Oxford University Press, 2000.
I have not checked any photos of Murray. The photos in this book are black and white and are no help.
I think it is interesting that Les Murray and the US actor Dan Aykroyd are both on his list, because both of these talented men are writers and both have identified themselves as being to some degree autistic, or having been diagnosed as autistic in childhood. Les Murray has a son with an autism diagnosis. If anyone wishes to know the sources of this information about Aykroyd and Murray and autism, I can give the full details of sources that can be accessed via the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.36.176 (talk) 09:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- I added Murray to the list, along with your source info. Thanks for pointing it out, and even bigger thanks for finding a citation. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
David Bowie
[edit]Bowie DOES NOT have heterochromia. Both his eyes are blue. His supposed green eye actually just have a permanent dilated pupil, that gives the ilusion of a green eye. Just look at a big picture of his eyes and you´ll see that his iris are botl blue, but one is barelly visible thanks to his over-dilated pupil (and in fact, he has sight problems.)DinobotTM2 03:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and re-added David Bowie to the list because although he was born with two blue eyes, an accident has caused his left eye to change colour (including a permanent dilated pupil.) As for your comment on him having two blue eyes, that is not true, refer to these photos № 1 № 2 № 3 If you also read the heterochromia article, it says that it can be aquired by injury. Bowie is also famously known for having two coloured eyes. Please don't remove him off the list again. --Speakslowly 02:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Heterochromia can be caused by injury, that´s right, but Bowie is not one of them. The different colors of his eyes is an optic illusion caused by an over-dilated pupil, like said in his own page here. The way it is written now is actually the truth about him.DinobotTM2 02:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- I originally had the injury sentence in there long ago, but someone removed it. As for it being an optical illusion, not true. His left eye is obviously not blue and if you pay close attention to the photos you can see that although his pupil is dilated, it does not cover the entire eye. What is visible of his left eye is clearly brown. If his pupil were so dilated that you couldn't see the iris, then I'd say that he does not have heterochromia and instead a big black pupil that gives it the illusion of a dark eye. However his left iris is very much visible and very much not blue, but brown. David Bowie has heterochromia. --Speakslowly 04:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- In reference to Speakslowly's linked pictures which purport to prove that David Bowie has Heterochromia, there are some problems. The first photo has quite clearly had its colors altered - one eye is deep, dark blue-green, the other is a rich, reddish brown. His normal eye is a pale blue-green, and the injured eye sometimes appears to be a *very* slightly darker shade of the same color. The third photo is actually a collage of different photos, taken under different lighting, and as each eye is represented by a different photo, it follows that they will look slightly different (and the blue eye on the left has almost certainly had its colors altered, as well, the small lines around his eyes are tinged with the same shade of blue which clearly shows that the color levels of the photo were drastically adjusted). The second photo clearly shows that both eyes are almost identical in color, any difference is entirely negligible and can be easily attributed to the injury. David Bowie does not have heterochromia (he has said so himself) and should definitely be removed from the list. --Katiebuffalo 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Right now, we've got two reliable print sources saying that Bowie has heterochromia, and none saying that he doesn't. If you can find any contrary evidence, such as the interview you mentioned, please add it to this page and we can remove him. Otherwise, he needs to stay. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 01:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- here is one article that specifically states that Bowie does not have heterochromia, and that the difference in his eyes is due to physical trauma. The specific condition is called anisocoria. I am removing him from the list again, as it is obvious that he does not have heterochromia.--Katiebuffalo 14:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, a blog like that one isn't considered a reliable source for our purposes (please see WP:RS). Do you have a print source or an interview, something like that? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- here is one article that specifically states that Bowie does not have heterochromia, and that the difference in his eyes is due to physical trauma. The specific condition is called anisocoria. I am removing him from the list again, as it is obvious that he does not have heterochromia.--Katiebuffalo 14:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- Right now, we've got two reliable print sources saying that Bowie has heterochromia, and none saying that he doesn't. If you can find any contrary evidence, such as the interview you mentioned, please add it to this page and we can remove him. Otherwise, he needs to stay. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 01:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- In reference to Speakslowly's linked pictures which purport to prove that David Bowie has Heterochromia, there are some problems. The first photo has quite clearly had its colors altered - one eye is deep, dark blue-green, the other is a rich, reddish brown. His normal eye is a pale blue-green, and the injured eye sometimes appears to be a *very* slightly darker shade of the same color. The third photo is actually a collage of different photos, taken under different lighting, and as each eye is represented by a different photo, it follows that they will look slightly different (and the blue eye on the left has almost certainly had its colors altered, as well, the small lines around his eyes are tinged with the same shade of blue which clearly shows that the color levels of the photo were drastically adjusted). The second photo clearly shows that both eyes are almost identical in color, any difference is entirely negligible and can be easily attributed to the injury. David Bowie does not have heterochromia (he has said so himself) and should definitely be removed from the list. --Katiebuffalo 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Another article indicating that Bowie has heterochromia: [1]. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this counts as a reliable source: [2] ilovemrdoe 22:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- If it were Bowie's site, it would, but because it's a fan site, it regrettably doesn't. Anybody can start a fan site and write anything they want on it. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 22:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- An anonymous IP just tried to remove Bowie on the grounds that this article states that he does not have heterochromia. This is incorrect; the article states that he does, while the opinion that he does not was offered by a reader commenting on the story ("Iridius" from Seattle, WA). Accordingly, I have reverted the removal. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- This article about the same pair of dogs also indicates that Bowie has heterochromia. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Three links for the same-color-iris theory in decending order of reliability: The Biography Channel says his irises are the same color (Click the word "Curious" under his picture). Salon also says that the difference is due to pupil dilation. CMT mentions it in passing. Clearly there's a lot of misinformation on the Web, and I for one won't be completely convinced either way until I get a good look myself. Nevertheless, I'd call these references very strong evidence against Bowie being listed here.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.199.226.117 (talk • contribs)
- I'm not sure that it works that way. I've seen the "dilated pupil" thing before too, but it's entirely possible that Bowie is unlucky enough to have both conditions, since facial trauma can also cause Hemosiderosis. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- That said, if someone could find an interview with Bowie where he says, "No, they aren't different; that's just a silly rumor" or something to that effect, I'd view that as pretty clear. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- David Bowie in interviews has consistently said that the eye was injured in a school fight with a friend and the pupil simply is permanently dilated. If you look in many of his photographs you can see that there is a big difference between the pupils when the other one has narrowed. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. I could go on endlessly listing references from various sources.--Lord of the Isles 12:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's fairly well established that his eye was injured in the manner you describe, and that the pupils are dilated differently, but since heterochromia can be caused by ocular trauma, it's possible that he has both a permanently dilated pupil AND differently colored eyes. Only a few of the links you provide mention eye color, and none of those meet WP:RS. As such, I have to return to my prior position: we need one of those interviews that you mentioned, where Bowie states that he doesn't have heterochromia, or that his eyes aren't different colors. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's OK if it's not online, and I can help you figure out how to format the reference, if you need. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- The following article is by a geneticist at Stanford University, if you doubt this sites validity you will find the link to the Homepage of The Tech on the Stanford University site. It says that the pupil dilation is the cause of the colour difference (if you read down) [13]--Lord of the Isles 00:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- That looks like a pretty good source. Dr. Alizadeh seems reasonably authoritative to me, and it explicitly rules out iron deposits from altered blood flow as a possible contributing factor. At a minimum, I think it's enough to put a qualifier on Bowie's entry, and maybe more (we should probably see what other people think, to make sure it's a good consensus on the issue). -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 01:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- If the ultimate decision is that this source is good enough, we may also want to think about leaving a note about Bowie's situation after the bottom of the list, to prevent confusion. Good idea? Bad idea? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 02:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- My two cents - the new source isn't super fantastic - it quotes a post-doc in a non-peer reviewed format. But to me it is as strong as either of the two references given in favor of his having heterochromia, and a bit stronger than most of the sources given above asserting that it's just pupil dilation. So it boils down to comparably strong sources in both directions. I say either remove him from the list given a lack of source consensus or add a note such as: "The different appearance of Bowie's eyes has been attributed to both heterochromia REFs and pupil dilation REFs." Debivort 02:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- The following article is by a geneticist at Stanford University, if you doubt this sites validity you will find the link to the Homepage of The Tech on the Stanford University site. It says that the pupil dilation is the cause of the colour difference (if you read down) [13]--Lord of the Isles 00:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's OK if it's not online, and I can help you figure out how to format the reference, if you need. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's fairly well established that his eye was injured in the manner you describe, and that the pupils are dilated differently, but since heterochromia can be caused by ocular trauma, it's possible that he has both a permanently dilated pupil AND differently colored eyes. Only a few of the links you provide mention eye color, and none of those meet WP:RS. As such, I have to return to my prior position: we need one of those interviews that you mentioned, where Bowie states that he doesn't have heterochromia, or that his eyes aren't different colors. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- I just wanted to wade in here. I've heard from his own mouth that they are not different colours. It was on a UK TV interview, chat show style I believe not press style, within the last ten years, probably a little less. It's not a lot to go on I know, but if there are any fans out there who are willing to sift through their collections or google/youtube those types of interviews and sit through them all then please do, as this shit here is ridiculous. I am approaching this topic from the point of view of someone who's often exasperated by the whole 'public knowledge is FACT' thing, rather than a Bowie fan, so you can appreciate that I'm reluctant to do the leg-work myself (as charming as he is, I'm sure). But, he said it, I was a little shocked (as everyone KNOWS that David Bowie has different coloured eyes) and have always held it in reserve as a good example of modern mythology...
- We aren't allowed to use YouTube clips themselves as references, but official transcripts definitely qualify under WP:RS. If you (or anyone else) can figure out which program it was and what date it aired, we might be able to leverage that into a good reference with a little legwork. I know that it's frustrating to not be able to include something that you personally feel to be true because of policy, but look on the bright side: If you CAN track down a reference to Bowie saying (or writing) that he doesn't have heterochromia, it'll be pretty much bulletproof from that point onward. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- I have a traumatic eye injury very similar to Bowie's, and it at times, especially in pics, makes one of my eyes look darker than the other. But it's not heterochromia. I've just looked at enough pics of Bowie to conclude he isn't heterochromatic either. I'm wondering why hit bull, win steak is so adamant about having him on this list? Of the 3 citations next to Bowies name on the list, one doesn't even mention him. Another seems to be anecdotal, as it mentions Bowie as having the condition, but the article is concerning ID software. And the third, by a genetist, which seems to disprove that Bowie has the condition, is used only as a citation that he MAY NOT need to be included on the list. Maybe a second category should be made, one for people who don't have the condition, even though pop mythology attributes it to them? -Heironymous Rowe —Preceding comment was added at 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure why you don't see the Bowie mention in the NYT article. It's in the seventh paragraph, which states: "Another is a condition called heterochromia, or multicolored eyes, which affects about 1 percent of the population and is often caused by traumatic injuries. An example of this can be seen in the rock star David Bowie..." As for your other point, I'm adamant about the issue because I want the issue to be as accurate as possible, and there are a LOT of reliable sources (A few online examples - Magazines/newspapers: Charlotte Observer, Metro,Women's Wear Daily, The Chicago Reader, The Science Teacher magazine, etc. Books: Never Shower in a Thunderstorm: Surprising Facts and Misleading Myths by Anahad O'Connor, The Eye Book: Eyes and Eye Problems Explained by Ian Grierson, Inheritance and Evolution by Denise Walker. There are many more of both offline.) indicating that Bowie has the condition, and only one indicating that he does not. As I've said all along, I want the list to go where the sources indicate that it should go, both in terms of inclusion and exclusion. If you can find a reliable source that indicates definitively that he does not have the condition (like a statement from Bowie, or something like that), then we can go ahead and change it, but until then, I think the preponderance of evidence needs to win out. I've done a fair bit of looking, and I just haven't been able to find anything that would qualify. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have a traumatic eye injury very similar to Bowie's, and it at times, especially in pics, makes one of my eyes look darker than the other. But it's not heterochromia. I've just looked at enough pics of Bowie to conclude he isn't heterochromatic either. I'm wondering why hit bull, win steak is so adamant about having him on this list? Of the 3 citations next to Bowies name on the list, one doesn't even mention him. Another seems to be anecdotal, as it mentions Bowie as having the condition, but the article is concerning ID software. And the third, by a genetist, which seems to disprove that Bowie has the condition, is used only as a citation that he MAY NOT need to be included on the list. Maybe a second category should be made, one for people who don't have the condition, even though pop mythology attributes it to them? -Heironymous Rowe —Preceding comment was added at 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- We aren't allowed to use YouTube clips themselves as references, but official transcripts definitely qualify under WP:RS. If you (or anyone else) can figure out which program it was and what date it aired, we might be able to leverage that into a good reference with a little legwork. I know that it's frustrating to not be able to include something that you personally feel to be true because of policy, but look on the bright side: If you CAN track down a reference to Bowie saying (or writing) that he doesn't have heterochromia, it'll be pretty much bulletproof from that point onward. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Your "reliable sources" are not evidence of anything other than bad journalism and lazy research. These sources simply misquote or take David Bowie out of context and repeat false information. Did you even read the paragraph linked here in "Never Shower in a Rainstorm"? He paraphrases Bowie as saying that his "contrasting eye colors, hazel and blue, resulted from a blow to the face as a child". That is false. Bowie has never publicly stated that his eyes are hazel and blue. He has stated the exact opposite - that his eyes are both light blue. Let's be clear here about these sources: "Never Shower in a Rainstorm" is some sort of wive's tale anthology fact book written up by a New York Times journalist with a Psychology degree. He is not a doctor or optometrist and he obviously did not interview Bowie or have someone physically examine him. His book is not a relevant source or authority on the condition of Bowie's eyes. http://books.google.ca/books?id=RruUXi3040cC&pg=PA16&dq=bowie+heterochromia&sig=ACfU3U2edzgYulx23TPF1k8F_qACiSdaBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bowie%20heterochromia&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.94.79 (talk) 08:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I nominate this for the lamest edit war. 190.9.225.50 (talk) 23:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I second the above. In any case, he does not have heterochromia; he has anisocoria, as stated above. I am both an optometrist and a vision scientist, so hopefully this can now be put to rest! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.171.225 (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- a) Anisocordia and heterochromia are not mutually exclusive conditions - it's possible to have both. b) If you can provide a link to a reliable source stating that Bowie does not have heterochromia, we'll be glad to add it to the article. I don't have any kind of personal stake in his inclusion or exclusion - I just want the article to reflect the consensus of the available sources, and right now, that's in favor of inclusion. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
- There are times, as in Bowie's case, when an eye colour may change ever so slightly due to injury, as is the case with him. But he himself has repeatedly stated that his eyes are both blue. He only has a blind eye with a permanently dilated pupil. This is a false and silly controversy. Not lame at all, because poeple still say he has "complete" heterochromia. You guys should remove his name from the list and only mention him because people mistake his condition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.105.50 (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
David Bowie clearly does not have heterochromia. He has said so himself in several interviews that his pupil is permanently dilated as a result of a blow to the eye in 1962 and not discoloured. It is pretty obvious from any clear and unmanipulated photo or video that his eyes are the same colour. Take for instance the video for Life On Mars? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ See what colour his eyes are? This video was filmed nearly a decade after his injury. The fact that the NYT and a few other publications have included Bowie on a list of people with heterochromia iridis should be considered irrelevant. As far as anyone knows NONE of these publications has actually examined him in the flesh. They are simply repeating false information. I want to add that this edit war is absolutely ridiculous. David Bowie should not be included on this list because of three bad photos and the reputation of a few publications. There is no reasonable data that supports him having this condition and a direct contradiction from the person involved. The two or three editors that have made a personal stake in this need to step back. Frankly, it's embarrassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.94.79 (talk) 08:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Although I agree that David Bowie does not belong in the list, the misconception about the cause of his unusual appearance is common enough that I believe a mere stubborn silence is not likely to prevent recurrent edits from well-meaning people who think that his condition is due to heterochromia instead of acquired anisocoria. I have therefore suggested using the otherwise unused Notes section for the purpose of providing some link to the information. While perhaps not ideal, I believe this is a suitably Solomonic compromise, with the added advantage that it can be applied to any other annoying exceptions that crop up :) Nude Amazon (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Kiefer Sutherland
[edit]66.38.193.34 keeps adding Kiefer Sutherland as an example for celebrities with heterochromia. Photos will suggest and prove that he has the same eye colour in each eye. Done. He does NOT have heterochromia.--Speakslowly 17:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Christopher Walken
[edit]It keeps being added that Christopher Walken has heterochromia saying that he has one blue eye and one hazel. However photos will prove that his eyes are the same colour. [14] --Speakslowly 02:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I've never noticed it before. I've just flicked through about 40 odd photos on the IMDB and only saw one that looked vaguely heterochromic, and even then it was blue in one and bluey/green in the other, if indeed it wasn't a trick of the light. I don't think any of them were modified in any way other than cropping, as they were mostly paparazzi shots, unlike the picture you've linked to above.
- Regardless of photos, there are numerous publications indicating that Walken has heterochromia. I've added a second reference to his entry on the list. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Wentworth Miller
[edit]Why was he taken off? I've read several times in interviews him saying his eyes are two different colors from birth. Is this another condition? I'm just confused as to why he was removed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.6.205.235 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC).
- Because it's obvious in photos that both of his eyes are the same colour. [15] --Speakslowly 19:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Um, no, he wears contact lenses to make his eyes look the same color... he has one hazel eye and one green eye. He should be re-added to the list—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.7.249.104 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC).
- Wikipedia policy is that all "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". I added sections to this article for people to post photos and/or references to help conform to WP:V. If you have a reference for your assertion that meets the guidelines at WP:RS, please post it so that we may include Miller. -AED 20:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- He does not wear coloured contacts, if he did the hazel eye would look fake under the coloured plastic on photos. Like AED said, find proof. --Speakslowly 03:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Should he be added? His article says he has one green and one blue and I found sources agree with that. Although it's hard for me to tell by the pictures.--T. Anthony 21:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- If you can find a reliable source that indicates he has heterochromia, reference it here and in his article. If you can't, it shouldn't be here or in his article. -AED 21:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Why was Jared Padalecki taken off from the Sectoral Heterochromia section? His eyes have distinctively at least two colors № 1 Awff7 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Having yellowish pigment around the pupillary border is common in hazel eyes (see Eye color#Hazel for an example). It is not the same as sectoral heterochromia. -AED 16:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Fictional Characters?
[edit]There are some fairly well known fictional characters with heterochromia - Yuna from Final Fantasy X is an extremely good example, as well as Asuna from Negima! It might help to add characters as well that obviously show this trait. Yuna is really recognizable by video gamers and the like. 71.37.106.244 06:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Technically, fictional characters aren't "people", so they don't belong on the list. If you'd like to start List of fictional characters with heterochromia, though, go right ahead. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Or Suiseiseki. DESU! - 2-16 11:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Urumi Kanzaki from anime/manga Great Teacher Onizuka is heterochromatic too.
--87.5.87.168 (talk) 18:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
By the way, Yuna's eyes arent caused by Heterochromia, I think its some fictitious condition, I don't know, I've never played it, but I know it cant be heterochromia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.114.32 (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
It's from her mixed ancestry as being half Al Bhed. I thought heterochromia referred to having two different colored eyes, not just the inherited condition. Infinitix (talk) 04:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I wish I'd checked the talk page before trying to add this section to the article. I was told it was too trivial to add fictional characters to the list, but the way I see it, these characters were deliberately given heterochromia by their creators, which makes their heterochromia even more significant than a notable person who has it by chance. I'm going to start List of fictional characters with heterochromia. GuruGuru214 (talk) 06:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Heterochroma is the name of the condition, not a cause of it. It doesn't matter if it's caused by genetics, an injury or some other disorder, it's still heterochroma. BTW, if there is ever such a list, you need to include Galahad, the cat in the In Death series of novels. JDZeff (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Demi Moore
[edit]Her IMDB bio says one eye is hazel, the other green. It's hard to tell in her photos since the colors are so similar, but they do look dissimilar in some closeups. Has anyone come across more reliable info on this? Krumhorns 09:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Post-Gazette
[edit]I have concerns about whether this article qualifies as a reliable source. For the bit about Bowie, it appears to be drawing its information from internet sources of questionable provenance, which in my mind throws the rest of the graf into question as well (if he just used Teh Google for info, rather than confirming directly). That's why I had removed it as a reference for Seymour as well in my most recent edit (since she's already listed in one that's more reliable). That said, I'm willing to listen to counter-arguments. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 18:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm good points HBWS - To what extent do you think our evaluation of what appear to be legitimate reliable sources constitutes original research? If we discount a citable statement because we have investigated the topic enough to dismiss the source, is that original research? I don't have a very strong opinion about this, so if there is a policy that can address it, I am happy to fall in line with it. Debivort 18:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- In the general case, we're required to evaluate the reliability of sources all the time per WP:RS, so I don't know that there's any philosophical reason not to do so in this case. An objection would have to be based on the specifics of my evaluation of this particular source. There IS some degree of editorial oversight at the Post-Gazette, which is one of the main determinants listed at WP:V, but on the other hand this might fall under the heading of "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources" (within WP:RS). That section says that "Exceptional claims should be supported by multiple reliable sources, especially regarding scientific or medical topics, historical events, politically charged issues, and biographies of living people." Basically, I think it's a tossup, which is why I wanted to pull it for now and open a discussion here, to see what other people think. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 19:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but is this page even necessary?
[edit]Heterochromia is VERY common. If you want to post on the famous person's page that they have heterochromia, that's fine, but why make an entire page about it? 24.159.60.51 18:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Personally, I think there's value in having a list of people with the condition, possibly as a way to help explain it to someone who's unfamiliar with its nature. As for whether it's fairly common, that's a subjective determination, but after a year's worth of looking I've only seen properly sourced mentions for the ten people on the list. Maybe it's more common to claim that a celebrity has heterochromia than it is for a celebrity to actually have it? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- - For whatever it's worth, left-handedness is certainly more common than heterochromia, but Left-handed includes a list of famous left-handed people. -- 201.19.40.176 15:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it needs an article, it is more suited to being a category really.--Lord of the Isles 13:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing wrong with having both, if you feel like creating a category. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's a list of people with heterochromia, a category would also be a list of people with heterochromia but has the advantage over an article of imposing an order on the list. An article is all fine and good when there are only several names on it, but how about when it comes to dozens or even hundreds - it's liable to end up not in any particular order and with duplications. It's also more at risk of people who are not notable being added to the list, if they are notable enough to be considered mentionable then surely a separate article on that person should be in Wikipedia. Having both a category and a separate list would be pointless duplication, it is a matter of it being one or the other.--Lord of the Isles 13:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Some people prefer category organization, and some people prefer lists, and it's not like anybody's hurt by having both for a particular data set. One advantage of having a list for something like this is that it's easier to police, in terms of people making uncited additions. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- If there are uncited additions to a category this can be policed as well, it is not unreasonable to expect that differences in colour of the irises of each eye would be mentioned with a source in the Wikipedia article on that person (it is after all quite a noticeable condition) and that those who have an interest in a particular person may well be more likely to know if they have such a difference than someone who doesn't, indeed may have no idea who they are, who may well know far more about heterochromia as a condition.--Lord of the Isles 14:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- True, it can be policed both ways, but since there's no way to watchlist a category, it's easier to miss an unsourced/false addition there. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Watchlisting a category works just the same way as watchlisting an article, the edit page is identical and there is the watch\unwatch option at the margin.--Lord of the Isles 15:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- And doing that will tell you whenever someone changes the text on the category page... but it won't alert you when entries are added to (or removed from) the category, the way a watchlisted list will. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 19:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Watchlisting a category works just the same way as watchlisting an article, the edit page is identical and there is the watch\unwatch option at the margin.--Lord of the Isles 15:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- True, it can be policed both ways, but since there's no way to watchlist a category, it's easier to miss an unsourced/false addition there. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- If there are uncited additions to a category this can be policed as well, it is not unreasonable to expect that differences in colour of the irises of each eye would be mentioned with a source in the Wikipedia article on that person (it is after all quite a noticeable condition) and that those who have an interest in a particular person may well be more likely to know if they have such a difference than someone who doesn't, indeed may have no idea who they are, who may well know far more about heterochromia as a condition.--Lord of the Isles 14:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Some people prefer category organization, and some people prefer lists, and it's not like anybody's hurt by having both for a particular data set. One advantage of having a list for something like this is that it's easier to police, in terms of people making uncited additions. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Have created category [16] in the hope that it will replace this article ultimately. Have added some people who are not disputed as having the condition--Lord of the Isles 14:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- The five who are in the category at the time I write this all look fine to me. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's a list of people with heterochromia, a category would also be a list of people with heterochromia but has the advantage over an article of imposing an order on the list. An article is all fine and good when there are only several names on it, but how about when it comes to dozens or even hundreds - it's liable to end up not in any particular order and with duplications. It's also more at risk of people who are not notable being added to the list, if they are notable enough to be considered mentionable then surely a separate article on that person should be in Wikipedia. Having both a category and a separate list would be pointless duplication, it is a matter of it being one or the other.--Lord of the Isles 13:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing wrong with having both, if you feel like creating a category. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Gracie Allen
[edit]From Gracie Allen: "Gracie was said to be sensitive about having one green eye and one blue eye (heterochromia) ..." - However, there's no cite given for this. -- 201.19.40.176 15:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- People have tried to add her to this list before, but no one has ever provided a citation. A lot of other bio articles for various people (Elizabeth Berkeley, Mila Kunis, Jay Crawford, etc.) also claim that they have heterochromia, but unless it's independently sourced, it'd be irresponsible to attach them to this list. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Alexander the Great?
[edit]Can anyone verify this? There is only 485 pages if you search (heterochromia "alexander the great") on Google, so there is a high chance that a few people made this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.8.75.52 (talk) 06:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- There are two references provided for him (one in an opthalmology journal, the other in a book). If it feels fishy to you, all you need to do is go to your local library and see whether the posted sources talk about Alexander the Great's eyes or not. That said, I added the book one myself, and it very clearly states (with internal attribution to a scholarly journal) that he did. Feel free to double-check, though, if you don't want to just take my word for it. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I was taught in optometry school that Alexander did have heterochromia, and that was in fact so vain that he sought out a horse (Bucephalus?) that had the same condition. Though I read Arrian's Campaigns of Alexander I found no reference to either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kundart (talk • contribs) 07:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
It is absolutely fiction, and I'm removing it. Note that the sources for this claim are medical journals - nothing by actual historians. The only primary source for this claim is the Alexander Romance. It is predominantly a work of fiction. If people want to pluck the idea that he had heterochromia from it then they should also believe that he had razor sharp teeth and a goddess for a mother. Endlesspumpkin (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Jens Pulver
[edit]doesn't professional mixed martial artist Jens Pulver posess this trait? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.27.78 (talk) 23:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Tarkyn Lockyer
[edit]Rumors circulating that this AFL player has the above condition. I can't find any articles to quote, but in my opinion he does. 144.134.209.104 (talk) 06:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC) (Tarkyn 24)
- I'll keep it in mind, thanks, and if I see any references I'll add him to the list. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Simon Pegg
[edit]Simon Pegg revealed on The Sunday Night Christmas Project a few weeks ago that he has Sectoral Heterochromia. 90.201.195.41 (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've seen mentions of this before as well, but nothing that can be cited. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- Found a citation, and added him to the list. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Catherine Tate
[edit]Can be seen in the Doctor Who episode Turn Left (she's having her fortune told so lots of close-ups of her eyes) - anyone have a proper cite? 85.210.97.44 (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Diane Kruger
[edit]Left eye, 4-5 o'clock.89.129.137.191 (talk) 03:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
David Headly "Daood Sayed Gilani"
[edit]Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/headlley.mumbai.profile/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.141.53 (talk) 14:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good - thanks for the addition. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Actress Demmy Moore
[edit]Whatever it is spelled. she has this condition. And it looks nice. --24.44.93.16 (talk) 16:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, she can't be added to the list without a reliable source. If you know where we can find one, please feel free to provide it. I've looked in the past, and been unsuccessful. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Marshall Lancaster
[edit]Marshall Lancaster, the actor who plays Chris Skelton on the TV series Life on Mars and sequel series Ashes to Ashes (he wore a contact lens for the two shows I presume: the heterochromia is very visible in interviews) has this condition; this is stated on his Wikipedia page also. However, being a noob with no knowledge of Wiki, I can't edit the page myself - or at least can't provide references / citations, etc. Could someone else put him on here? Sorry >.< —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.188.105.25 (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Emma Rigby
[edit]I've just seen Emma Rigby in Episode 4 of the BBC drama Prisoners' Wives and from several close up shots it appears that she has one green eye and one blue eye. Any thoughts? 86.174.175.250 (talk) 08:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I want to say that James Coburn also has this condition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.163.7 (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Benedict Cumberbatch
[edit]I have seen it reported that Benedict Cumberbatch has central heterochromia; has this been confirmed? -Etoile ✩ (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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Director: Damien Maher His left eye suffers from Heterochromia being half brown half green while his right eye is blue
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Dominic Sherwood
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Could you add Dominic Sherwood as his eyes are also a different colour from one another http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/68/37/c8/6837c8c097af5a1d744c951b5fb13dbb.jpg <-- This is the image url RandomEditordundundun (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Not done for now: if you could find a reliable source (e.g. a 3rd-party source that isn't some blog or garbage site, not a picture), to support this, that would be great Cannolis (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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I want to add English actor, model and musician Dominic Sherwood on this list. 170.224.52.38 (talk) 23:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
This is not the place to request additional rights. In addition, you should add a reliable source with your information.
Done I have added him myself, after finding a reliable source myself. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Vanessa Zima
[edit]Great was my surprise when I saw that Vanessa Zima was not mentioned on the list. See should be, there is a source on IMBd Movie. I am a regular Wikipedia-editor for the dutch version.
Thomas Smet Flanders, Belgium
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ESPN Sportscaster Jay Crawford has very distinctive eyes that should be included on this list. Given the national range of his audience and typical screen face time he receives, readers/users can witness the unique character trait quite readily while in the comfort of their own homes.
His condition has been verified as the following is a quote from his entry on this website: "Crawford has heterochromia iridium, the condition of having one eye being a different color than the other; his right eye is blue and his left eye is half blue and half brown."
Thank you! Andy Cordero, Sin City Center, Florida 70.126.86.126 (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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What about fictional characters with heterochromia?
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Can they be listed on this page or should they have a page of their own? I know only three characters with heterochromia: Tyrion Lannister; Urumi Kanzaki; G.U.N. Commander. But I can bet, there are more. 193.151.224.4 (talk) 06:00, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Not done: This list is for people, not fictional characters EvergreenFir (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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I don't know how to do this, I never edited before so I don't know how to submit it correctly. I do hope however someone will take my suggestion and add actor Anthony Stewart Head to this List of people with heterochromia. If you look closely to his photographs you'll see he has a left eye partial green/brown and his right eye green. Just like Kate Bosworth has, who is in this list. Anthony does belong here too. Thank you. 85.145.174.78 (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
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Sarah McDaniel's heterochromia has been called into question by many people. The fact that there is photographic evidence and controversy surrounding her claims indicates that she shouldn't be included on this list until verifiable proof is given that she has heterochromia, or she should at least have a note added to her name. Even her Wikipedia page states the controversial nature of her alleged condition. My sources aren't the best, but if it wasn't confirmed by a reliable source in the first place, why is she being included? Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 142.163.76.217 (talk) 04:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 17:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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Joey Bosa athlete has heterochromia 2001:5B0:42C2:F748:4811:B1E3:1B95:41C8 (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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Adam Driver 2601:646:8E01:1310:D920:ED5:765F:42D5 (talk) 22:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Couldn't find that mentioned in reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
remove sarah mcdaniel from this list
[edit]she doesnt have heterochromia, her father posted a childhood picture of her with two brown eyes. https://www.elle.com/beauty/a26559657/sarah-mcdaniel-celebface-interview-2019/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McDaniel#cite_note-elle-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.167.95.15 (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
i wish there could be a mention of sectoral vs complete
[edit]like specifying the kind of heterochromia for each celebrity. like i wanna look up the complete heterochromia, but i'm not necessarily interested in looking up the other types of heterochromia Thewriter006 (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Heterochromia
[edit]Katie Mcgrath has also heterochromia and it's natural.why you don't add her name on Wikipedia's the list of people who has heterochromia. 106.208.152.228 (talk) 08:37, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Emilia Clarke
[edit]https://www.allaboutvision.com/human-interest/heterochromia-celebrities/
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3592338/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
This should be sufficient to document Ms. Clarke's heterochromia and add her to the list. 2600:1702:20:8660:8DCA:71D6:F736:19C1 (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)