Talk:Mufti (dress)

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This article contains plagiarism. Quotation marks are required around the second paragraph. This paragraph has been attributed to the RAN, but it has in fact been copied verbatim from the RAN's website.

I paraphrased that paragraph and changed the link to that site to a reference. Should be OK now. Recury 19:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Civvies does NOT apply to just Indian dress (nor is it originated from India) A seperate article should point to Civvies (a world wide expression) and India should be a sub title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.3.227 (talk) 06:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Origin of "Mufti"

This article doesn't explain the origin of the word "mufti," which is what I was trying to find out. That should probably be included. --Muna (talk) 01:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I was in the British military during the late 1970's and our pay slips at the time had a series of codes on the back to account for various allowances and deductions. I distinctly remember MUFTI being used as civilian clothes allowance (probably for guys who had to work in London as the IRA was exceptionally active at the time), but as it was capitalised I also assumed it was an abbreviation of a term.Kitbag (talk) 10:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

"NUFDY"?

I don't believe the etymology from NUFDY - which contradicts the rest of the article. No citation is given, and the only relevant Google hit for NUFDY is this article. It looks like a back-formation to me. 20:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

link doesn't work

second link gets 404 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.160.2.254 (talk) 07:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

region of usage

Nowhere in the article is it said where which term is used common. Is "mufti" common in all commonwealth countries? Mostly those in Africa? SE Asia? Where is "mufti" more common than "civvies" or vice versa? (As an American, I don't recall ever hearing "mufti", and "civvies" is what I'd say.) Anyone got any info to add to the article in that regard? --76.121.3.11 (talk) 07:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

At ICHS, it was called ‘civvies day’. People here in Australia seem to call it ‘mufti day’. — Chameleon 10:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

In England the word is known but now old-fashioned and rarely used outside crosswords!109.150.72.57 (talk) 11:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I think it's still commonly used in UK armed forces, I was an Army Cadet back in the 90s and it was a common term for civilian clothes then.--2407:7000:A12B:8553:31B2:879E:C3D3:9A09 (talk) 19:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth, we used it in the US Army from the 1980s to the 2000s, when I was in. I have no authoritative source to say how common it was, though.

I'm from Victoria Australia and I'd never heard of 'mufti' day ... I came here to look up what it was. We have always called it 'casual clothes day' at school (or for office workers, 'Casual Friday') 182.239.166.104 (talk) 06:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Definitely did not use this in the US Navy from when I joined in 2001 onward. Civvies. Alexandermoir (talk) 00:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Here in New Zealand the term Mufti is still commonly used by schools etc. to describe a casual clothes day, as in "Mufti Day".--2407:7000:A12B:8553:31B2:879E:C3D3:9A09 (talk) 19:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Why is this in the Wikipedia India project

This article concerns the English language loan word "mufti", which is derived from Arabic and describes casual civilian clothing (as distinct from a uniform, business or formal wear). There's no obvious connection to India or why this would be described as "Indian clothing" or be part of the Wikipedia India project? --2407:7000:A12B:8553:31B2:879E:C3D3:9A09 (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Controversy

I broke off the New Zealand controversy into its own heading, with more context provided by historian Katie Pickles. 82.69.78.42 (talk) 11:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

This seems to be a peculiarly Kiwi piece of handwringing. 'Mufti' isn't a term used in British schools (though it's understood in the culture generally, though rather dated). The Katie Pickles piece is a very weak ref, and something from a NZ mainstream RS would be much better. The fact that some virtue signalling academic thinks that this is offensive is neither here nor there. --Ef80 (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Though it reeks of colonialism, not every colonial usage was intended, nor should be understood, in a derogatory manner. The period during which broadly Arab-styled dress was in vogue for Westerners saw the rise of a current of Orientalism, and a time of that current's absorption into mainstream society. The Arabian Nights and The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, thanks to Edward FitzGerald's versions, were part of what we should call popular culture. And although burlesques such as Abdul Abulbul Amir and the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine were an unavoidable inverse face of that absorption; yet even these were done with affection, casting ordinary Westerners, as it were, in the image of extraordinary Orientals.

Nuttyskin (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)