Talk:Roly Bonevacia

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Bonevacia capped for Curaçao

Hi there, I wanted to address a particular match in which Bonevacia was capped, which took place on 20 May 2015 when a friendly match was played between Suriname and Curaçao in Alkmaar, the Netherlands. The match was an International friendly match in preparation of 2018 FIFA Word Cup qualifiers. Suriname were coached by Dean Gorré who is the current head coach of Suriname, and Patrick Kluivert who is currently coaching Curaçao. I was asked to provide links pertaining to said match in which it states whether this was an official match or not, so here they go.

Curaçao en Suriname dromen in Almere over WK
Curaçao oefent tegen Suriname in Almere officieuze oefeninterland means official International friendly in Dutch by the way.
Officieuze oefeninterland Suriname – Curaçao
Kluivert en Curaçao verslaan Gorré en Suriname
Curaçao wint oefeninterland tegen Suriname 3-2

The sources are from Algemeen Dagblad a National newspaper here, Persbureau Almere (local paper), ELF Voetbal, a well known football magazine in the Netherlands, and the Waterkrant, a National newspaper from Suriname. I also don't understand how Bonevacia is included in WikiProject New Zealand, when he has only been there for a year, and has spent his entire career here in the Netherlands. Shouldn't he be included in WikiProjects Netherlands? Anyway, looking forward to your response. Cheers, (Subzzee (talk) 20:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC))[reply]

Unofficial

Below is a link to an article to the most comprehensive source on Surinamese football, natiosuriname.com. http://www.natiosuriname.com/2015/06/dubbele-nationaliteit-afhankelijk-van.html

It explicitly states that it was an unofficial friendly to raise awareness for the attempt to gain dual nationality for people of Surinamese descent in the Netherlands. If you look at other articles on the site, they state that explicitly. There is no lack of sources on the topic as it has been a big deal for a long time now. The Suriname squad was comprised of players of Surinamese descent in the Dutch league who are not eligible to officially represent Suriname. Therefore, the match was unofficial. --Gri3720 (talk) 00:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Surinaamse Voetbal Bond

Hi, thank you for your response, I understand the eligibility issue for the players, but the Suriname squad that was present was commissioned by the Surinaamse Voetbal Bond. The team was coached by the official head coach of Suriname, and the team wore the official national team jerseys. It was a friendly match so there it was really nothing at stake, both the SVB as well as the FKK (governing bodies of both countries) went along with this. It was aiming to make a political statement, and if you read the article you posted it states that Suriname wants Netherlands to reintegrate expatriate players without taking their citizenship should they opt to play for Suriname. This was advertised here in the Netherlands as an official match. (As opposed to the Suriprofs, who present an unofficial Suriname squad of expatriates living in the Netherlands.) I am very familiar with the NatioSuriname website, the article you posted was originally in the Volkskrant where they addressed the political standpoint of this match. It was an official match for both football governing bodies, Suriname however did field an unofficial squad, which was however commissioned by the countries official authorities. Curaçao however did field a fully eligible squad in this match, and Bonevacia was capped. I am pretty sure different rules apply for friendly encounters as opposed to official qualifying matches. Regards, (Subzzee (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC))[reply]

"Sanctioned" vs. Official

The Suriname association may have "sanctioned" it, meaning that they did not oppose the match and supported its cause, but that does not mean it is official. Look at this example: today, Bhutan played a club team from Qatar in preparation for their qualifiers later this week. Yes, they played a match but that is not an official match which can be considered a cap. If one team is not an official team, which Suriname could not have been official since zero of the players on the squad have Surinamese citizenship, the match cannot be considered official. It may have been billed as an official match in the Netherlands to sell tickets but I'd be more inclined to believe media from the actual nations involved in the match. Trusted websites on Wikipedia such as http://www.national-football-teams.com do not count the match towards any player's caps. For example, Prince Rajcomar scored in the match but his NFT profile does not mention the match at all.

In short, none of the Surinamese players were eligible to officially represent Suriname so it cannot be considered an official match by FIFA or CONCACAF. I'm sure you have heard of teams, particularly in AFCON which had their results abandoned after the match because they fielded and ineligible player. The Suriname team was no different.

--Gri3720 (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]