Talk:The killing of the wife, daughter, and infant son of Mohammed Deif
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Compiled some starting content from other pages[edit]
There was a sentence or two about this on several pages, I'll list any pages I copied content from here:
MWQs (talk) 04:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Smaller bits of copied content are listed in the edit summaries. MWQs (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 3 July 2024[edit]
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The killing of the wife, daughter, and infant son of Mohammed Deif → Killing of the Deif family – I feel this title is better due to WP:Precision, as it isn't necessary to state exactly what relation each of the casualties was to Mohammed Deif. TRCRF22 (talk) 19:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- somewhat oppose - I agree it should be shorter, but it needs to communicate that the father survived. We could use their names "the killing of Widad Asfoura, Sarah Deif, and Ali Deif" (the current title is from before I found Sarah's name). MWQs (talk) 23:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Or if there's a "no the" policy, killing of Widad Asfoura, Sarah Deif, and Ali Deif. Sarah is sometimes referred to as "Sara Al-Masri" (her dad's birth name) and a few stories assume Widad took her husband's name Deif, but Widad Asfoura, Sarah Deif, and Ali Deif are the most recognisable names. Also "Ali Deif" is used very often in sources, whereas "Deif family" is uncommon. MWQs (talk) 02:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- How about Deif family killings? Killuminator (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Killuminator that sounds the wrong way around? That sounds like "Manson Family murders"? What's wrong with three names? Like Killing of Alon Shamriz, Yotam Haim, and Samer Talalka? MWQs (talk) 06:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- "killing of the Deif family" is probably better. MWQs (talk) 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- as in better than Deif family killings. MWQs (talk) 06:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support move to something along the lines of Killing of Widad Asfoura, Sarah Deif, and Ali Deif or Killing of the Deif family. If what MWQs said about Deif family not being well-supported in the sources is true, prefer the former. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 06:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Airstrike on Mohammed Deif. He was the intended target. The current title is far too convoluted and unclear. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a rather implausible title when it is entirely unknown whether the airstrike was in fact on the man. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that's what the article says!
one of the only cases where the intended target is known
. Do you intend to rewrite it? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that's what the article says!
- @Necrothesp: That would be completely unprecedented, and a bit strange, as the main topic of the article is not what the IDF claimed they intended to do, but rather what actually happened. The current title is indeed a bit convoluted but I don't see how that's not addressed by one of the options already put forward. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 14:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- What actually happened is that there was an airstrike targeted at one man in which other people died (and he didn't). How is my proposed title inaccurate? It seems to me that it's entirely accurate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, Haska Meyna wedding party airstrike is one example illustrating that articles about these sorts of strikes are named after who or what they actually hit, not the claimed intended target (in accordance with the way they're inevitably referred to in RS). Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 15:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given the airstrike hit Deif's house this is a very clear case of hair-splitting. It wasn't a mistaken target. It was the intended target. He just escaped. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, Haska Meyna wedding party airstrike is one example illustrating that articles about these sorts of strikes are named after who or what they actually hit, not the claimed intended target (in accordance with the way they're inevitably referred to in RS). Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 15:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- What actually happened is that there was an airstrike targeted at one man in which other people died (and he didn't). How is my proposed title inaccurate? It seems to me that it's entirely accurate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Necrothesp: Your proposal is not sufficiently precise, as Deif has been the target of multiple airstrikes over the years. (Mohammed Deif: The one-eyed Hamas chief in Israel's crosshairs, BBC News) TRCRF22 (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that's very easy to resolve. 2024 airstrike on Mohammed Deif! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I presume you meant to suggest 2014 airstrike on Mohammed Deif. TRCRF22 (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Naturally. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I presume you meant to suggest 2014 airstrike on Mohammed Deif. TRCRF22 (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that's very easy to resolve. 2024 airstrike on Mohammed Deif! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a rather implausible title when it is entirely unknown whether the airstrike was in fact on the man. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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