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The Bourne Identity

Hi, I just wanted to say that I re-added the note on The Bourne Identity with proper citation. Apologies for the oversight. TheAlderaanian (talk)

No problem! You might want to look at the article text as well (I'm about to step away from my PC for a bit, but if you'd rather I take a look, reply here); I think it mentions the same info you added, but it's worded differently and potentially inconsistently to what you added. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doniago (talk • contribs) 13:51, July 9, 2024 (UTC)

Intichkanmi7378

Working on their edits, I've only now discovered how much you've done about them. Much appreciated and a bit embarrassing given my ANI report. I hope you read what I added to their talk page. Doug Weller talk 08:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we have a problem. One of my removals of Wiktionary was reverted as there was a source. Looking at [1] and clicking on the Wiktionary entry I found [2] Doug Weller talk 10:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not our job to confirm that every one of the dozens of Wiktionary links that Intich added to articles in turn has a source. If you or anyone else wants to do so, you're of course welcome to, but I don't have the time or inclination to dig into it. Intich still hasn't edited lately, but if/when they return, hopefully they can/will do the work they should have done in the first place. DonIago (talk) 12:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. I also think that even if there is a source in Wiktionary we should use, once verified, the source itself, we still can't trust Wiktionary. I don't think I should have been reverted. Sorry, meant to say this earlier but got distracted with a futile search for the Paracas Candelabra which I know exists but can't find, probably in Spanish. Doug Weller talk 13:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right. As I said in my first message to Intich, using reliable sources that Wiktionary uses is fine, but merely citing Wiktionary is entirely unacceptable; if nothing else, the Wiktionary page could change in the future. I'm not sure what instance of you being reverted you're referring to; I didn't see that in either diff you included here? DonIago (talk) 13:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I explained the issue to the person who reverted me and they agreed we shouldn't use it. A few more minutes and I hope they will all be cleaned up. Let's hope when they return they have listened. Doug Weller talk 13:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scatman Crothers revision

Thank you for the message response. I actually did not add the initial uncredited TV show reference to either the "Wonderful World of Disney" or "The Lorax" television shows. As they were already present when I began editing the page, I assumed that they were already confirmed and merely researched the identity of the episodes (season, number, and title) in question. As of now, I do not know who added the two shows to the Television filmography "table" or when they were added. I just saw them and sought out the episode information to complete the list. Take care and be well. Lime green k (talk) 05:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up. Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 12:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why was my Kamen edit reverted?

I added to the legacy section, citing a major Kamen event I was a guest speaker at, promulgating Michael's legacy and I provided linked evidence to the resultant CD. Yet my real world edit was removed. If the link wasn't good enough, here's a link to a report on the event, citing me by name, to prove the fact: https://ventsmagazine.com/2016/07/02/mosma-festival-day-3-recap%E2%80%8F/ Dirk Wickenden (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reaching out to me, but I think the notices at your Talk page supersede this and cover the most important parts of what I would have said in response. I hope you'll read and respect them. Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 14:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this is the link on the external site that mentions the event (and the above user, by name): https://ventsmagazine.com/2016/07/01/mosma-festival-day-12-recap%e2%80%8f/

That also reveals a previously possible undisclosed paid relationship with the subject. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies but I don't really understand

Hi Doniago

re the Kamen edit, I don't really understand how to amend accordingly to bring inline with requirements, it's all rather confusing with [ ] and { } and others symbols and linking etc. plus my reportage to include in the page was all factual. Dirk Wickenden (talk) 14:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dick, you were left a notice at your Talk page regarding Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, which you have if you're trying to add information about an event at which you were a guest speaker. I hope you can see how it appears to be self-promoting for you to be attempting to add such content. Please review that notice as well as the links with which you've been provided. At that point, I'm sure I or the editors at those pages or the ones who left you notices at your Talk page will be happy to try to assist you further. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 14:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Doniago

Just checking if you received an email from me? Thanks Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DWB; I did get your email but I haven't had a lot of bandwidth this week. I'll try to take a look tonight or later this week. Thanks for reaching out! DonIago (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lords of Flatbush soundtrack

Hello, Regarding your reversion, I will look for a citation for the soundtrack. However I note that both the Plot and Cast sections also have no citations, and haven't for many years, so looks like a double standard... Assambrew (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. As discussed at MOS:FILM, the plot summary should only be a listing of events that actually occur in the film, without any interpretation. As such, the film is a primary source. Similarly, the cast listing should be verifiable from the credits for the film. We do require sourcing for any uncredited roles.

In any event, just because another section doesn't have sources wouldn't mean it would be okay to add more unsourced content.

Thanks for coming to me with your concerns! DonIago (talk) 20:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, information about the soundtrack is verifiable from the cover of the album. Wouldn't that also be considered a primary source? The same information is also on IMDb, perhaps that could be cited as a tertiary source? Thanks for the film discussion link.. Assambrew (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note the Soundtrack sections for Wish I Was Here and Summer Lovers, no source citations. Evidently the records themselves qualified as primary sources. Shouldn't the same apply for The Lords of Flatbush soundtrack? Assambrew (talk) 22:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you're assuming that it's okay that those articles have soundtrack sections with no sourcing? In any event, if the soundtrack is significant enough for inclusion, then it seems to me that finding sources that have discussed it shouldn't be particularly challenging? DonIago (talk) 00:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I assume it's OK for those Soundtrack sections to have no sourcing, for the same reason it's OK that the Cast sections have no sourcing: the verifiable data comes from the sources themselves, either the album cover or the movie credits. You seem to agree with the latter, but not the former. Apparently other editors think both practices are acceptable. I respect what you do in policing Wikipedia, thanks for your valuable service. But maybe in this case you are being nitpicky? :) Assambrew (talk) 01:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Look, if you think I'm being nitpicky, then by all means take it to the article's Talk page and give other editors the opportunity to weigh in and form a consensus on the subject. But I don't think it's nitpicky to ask you to provide one source that's discussed the soundtrack, and it makes me very leery when an editor either cannot or will not do so. DonIago (talk) 01:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually yes, it is challenging to find sources for a movie soundtrack 50 years old. I suppose I could dig in a print library somewhere. I have no connection to anyone involved, I just recall that the music and songs were important to the movie and so the soundtrack deserves mention. Assambrew (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The one online source I can find is IMDb. I could use that as a tertiary source which WP:CITEIMDB states is acceptable "for hard data on released films". But that seems unnecessary, since the primary source is verifiable. Assambrew (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per your suggestion, I posted on the article's Talk page Assambrew (talk) 02:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sixth Sense Edit Reversion

Care to tell me why you reverted my edit in The Sixth Sense article? Removing thr link to the EVP article is one thing, but the way I recorded that sentence more accurately reflects the dialogue in the movie, I even looked at a transcript to confirm it. As written, that sentence is an inaccurate description for why Cole suggested Malcolm talk to his wife while she sleeps. Nahald (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in my edit summary, the link you added was an WP:EGG link. I don't have any issue with the rest of your edit per se, but I don't think it was an improvement either, and you definitely shouldn't have included a contraction, which is a WP:TONE concern. As far as concerns about accuracy with regard to the film's script, the goal of the plot section is to summarize the overall plot; being as accurate as possible isn't necessarily a priority, as described at WP:FILMPLOT. FWIW, I might have approached this differently if you'd left an edit summary of your own when you inserted your changes. Thank you for coming to me with your concerns! DonIago (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]